tOMWiii
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posted on December 12, 2005 01:23:10 PM
Ahnold says: "Terminate!"
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"We look forward to hearing your vision, so we can more better do our job. That's what I'm telling you." George W. Bush, Gulfport, Miss., Sept. 20, 2005
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on December 12, 2005 01:40:24 PM
Yep and now he can show how a gang member will end up after commiting murder.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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fenix03
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posted on December 12, 2005 02:24:15 PM
That's a shame. I think this is the one guy on death row that is of more use alive than dead.
I don't believe thaa reasoned decesion on Arnold part... probably just afraid of losing what few supporters he still has.
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Helenjw
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posted on December 12, 2005 02:36:27 PM
"Yep and now he can show how a gang member will end up after commiting murder."
And Schwarzenegger can show how a governor will end up after denying clemency...in the good graces of the GOP.
And that's what it's all about, a decision that is not right but one that is politically expedient for Schwarzenegger.
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Bear1949
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posted on December 12, 2005 02:48:17 PM
Since the California Supreme court denied a stay, why should Arnie grant clemency?
"Dear Lord, if you can't make me a better man, don't worry about it. I'm having a real good time like I am.".
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desquirrel
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posted on December 12, 2005 03:24:55 PM
He has seen the Lord and will never return to his evil ways.
All the more reason for him to go to God a little early.
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fenix03
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posted on December 12, 2005 03:45:23 PM
Bear - because the California Supreme Court is only able to base their judgement on a limited number of facts. They cannot commute a sentence. They chose to deny an appeal based on a lack of new compelling evidence regarding the actual crime he was sentenced for. Clemency/Cummutation however can be granted on a much larger spectrum of reasons. I think in this case, his sentence should have been commuted based on the work that he has done and could still in the community to eliminate gang participation among youths.
It's a matter of priorities... and in this case, I think that retribution should have taken a back seat when you consider that this is someone that can save countless lives in an area has a great deal of legitiamcy and credence where only a very few others have any.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Dec 12, 2005 03:45 PM ]
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on December 12, 2005 03:59:31 PM
So the 4 people he murdred, has yet to show any remorse for, are to be just passed over as foot notes in a legal battle?
He didn't help himself by not admitting his crimes, asking for mercy from the victims family or aplogize for starting the gang in the first place.
Lots of other things he could of done, but didn't.
Now he get what his punishment says he deserves.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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bunnicula
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posted on December 12, 2005 04:26:46 PM
The man is a murderer, plain and simple. He admitted to the crimes and even spoke of plans to blow away the witnesses as well...
He is also responsible for co-founding the Crips, one of the most violent gangs in the country and so is, through that organization's activities, responsible for countless other murders.
I don't care how many children's book he has written or might write in the future, or how much religion he got while in prison. He is not a hero. He is not "misunderstood." He certainly is not innocent.
Tookie Williams deserves the death penalty and I have no sympathy for him.
edited to put the word "away" where it would do the most good. 
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tOMWiii
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posted on December 12, 2005 04:30:59 PM
Bunni:
Well, all I can say is:
This will teach him to "tamper" with witnesses!
[ edited by tOMWiii on Dec 12, 2005 04:40 PM ]
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colin
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posted on December 12, 2005 04:31:33 PM
Arnold says: "Terminate!"
Works for me. Crime and Punishment.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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bunnicula
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posted on December 12, 2005 04:36:25 PM
Tomwii:  no, that was a case of typing so fast I left out a word.
Going back to fix it now...
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Linda_K
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posted on December 12, 2005 05:27:13 PM
Extremely well stated, bunni.
And I agree....glad to hear old Arnold decided to let him meet his 'maker'.
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BIGPEEPA
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posted on December 12, 2005 08:15:31 PM
I always get a kick out of right to lifers condoning the death penalty.
The phony religious right is just one more reason the their con-servative form of Government is crumbling.
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colin
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posted on December 12, 2005 08:50:58 PM
Big..
RIGHT YES!!!
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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Linda_K
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posted on December 12, 2005 09:53:26 PM
yes, peepa, it's easy to understand you can't grasp the difference between killing little innocent babies who could survive if not for their own mothers.....vs.....murderers/rapists/thieves/etc....those who HAVE done wrong against society....
but nope...you see no difference between the two. Typical of your lack of reasoning abilities.
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nerfballwillie
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posted on December 12, 2005 11:04:55 PM
"..murderers/rapists/thieves..."
Holy cow - now were for putting thieves to death too? I went 5 over the speed limit on the way home. You wouldn't have me put down too, would you?
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desquirrel
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posted on December 13, 2005 12:02:46 AM
I'd be willing to bet the average murderer/rapist has a little thievery in his portfolio .
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classicrock000
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posted on December 13, 2005 02:14:56 AM
how does speeding make you a thief?
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Helenjw
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posted on December 13, 2005 05:38:59 AM
Well, classic, we just heard Squirrel attempt to establish a link between murderers and thievery after Linda linked murderers/rapists/thieves... With leaps like this is it unusual to think that the next leap will include speeders? Who knows? Next they may vote to rev up the execution priority to include them all.
murderers/rapists/thieves/speeders.
Brace yourself for the next thought.
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BIGPEEPA
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posted on December 13, 2005 05:40:17 AM
The phony right to lifers like LIAR-LINDA_K condone killings as long as it fits their personal agenda.
History has shown that using LIAR-LINDA_K's word "innocent". Innocent people have been killed using the flawed death penalty system. Only God can be 100% sure if this man was guilty or not. People like LIAR-LINDA_K trying to play God just aren't qualified.
History has shown the death penalty system is flawed. In the last few years lots of "innocent" people have been taken off the condemned to death list. Why, because they were "innocent" of the "crimes against society" they were convicted of.
To me its only the narrow minded,non-thinking,self-serving people that can support such a flawed death penalty system.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on December 13, 2005 06:08:58 AM
Now he is a real example to murdering gang members.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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dblfugger9
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posted on December 13, 2005 06:16:15 AM
You wouldn't have me put down too, would you?
Only if you were busy putting your lipstick on while you were speeding! Thats a no-no!
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desquirrel
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posted on December 13, 2005 07:14:28 AM
Saying my little pun that I'm sure Tookie and his ilk have a little thievery in their backgrounds is extendable to a progression from thievery to murder is pretty stupid even for Helen.
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Helenjw
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posted on December 13, 2005 07:36:20 AM
For someone who cannot recognize a little humor it's pretty stupid.
Smile, duhSquirrel!
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Helenjw
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posted on December 13, 2005 07:48:50 AM
Even a contemptuous, dumb old coot like you should be able to relax your sneer and laugh once in awhile.
Try it. And while you are working on that keep working on your communication skills. Read a little Hemingway.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on December 13, 2005 08:13:16 AM
And while you are working on that keep working on your communication skills
Pot meet kettle
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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classicrock000
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posted on December 13, 2005 08:18:56 AM
Hemingway blows....no pun intended
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Helenjw
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posted on December 13, 2005 08:26:03 AM
Ron,
Your exceedingly awesome skills are dauntingly beyond the reach of ordinary help. But everyone can improve a little bit.
You might start by working on grammar.
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Linda_K
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posted on December 13, 2005 08:38:00 AM
how does speeding make you a thief?
It's just the liberal way of thinking being applied here, I do believe. 
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LOL dlb...boy that's the truth. Can't believe how many women put on their whole face while driving to work. As bad, if not worse, than trying to make a call while speeding.
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And I see there are no lefties here to understand the concept that when thieves/robbers break and enter that they EVER murder anyone. Nope...that never happens. Not by those upstanding citizens who they cry for all the time.
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