posted on December 16, 2005 09:32:55 AM new
Oh linda, you're meaningless little segue about the vote in Iraq won't get you out of being a fool in this thread
posted on December 16, 2005 09:59:32 AM new
::I have NEVER if my life heard someone who is not religious say what KD has said here. So I am responding to it.::
Linda - get it thru your head - Krafty believes in god but does not believe in religion.
In the past three day you have shown more intollerence and disrspect to an individuals beliefs system than have ever been shown on this board by any athiest and you don't think you are being a hypocrit?
As far as I am concerned, you have clearly shown that your claims and calls for religious tollerenced are an absolute crock. Why should anyone be expected to respect your beliefs considering the snide, sarcastic and judgemental comments you have made regarding Kraftys. Apparently when you say that people should respect the beliefs of other, you only meant the beliefs that you agree with.
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An intelligent deaf-mute is better than an ignorant person who can speak.
posted on December 16, 2005 10:04:59 AM newNO ONE is going to silence me. PERIOD.
Who said anything about silencing you, lindak? I sure didn't.
My point is that you have no control over how anyone believes.
You seem to fear the influence that some may have on others here. Your need to control is very noticeable, such as when you tell others to stuff a sock in it or bug off like you want to silence them and only your words and beliefs count.
I find it somewhat amusing that your frustration at not being able to silence or control others constantly tilts you to the edge.
posted on December 16, 2005 10:08:59 AM new
LOL fenix....now THAT was funny.
If you want to believe God is a rock, a cat or a dog, feel free to.
NOWHERE have I told anyone what they CAN'T do....even though THREE of you now have said I did. YOU'RE WRONG.
I've called a spade a spade and that's what all of you don't like. Too bad.
When KD states to anyone that she believes in God and prays.....they WILL take the traditional meaning of those words and they won't be grasping it's a God she's made up in her own imagination...nor that all her 'wishes' are considered by her, prayers.
posted on December 16, 2005 10:52:21 AM new
::NOWHERE have I told anyone what they CAN'T do....even though THREE of you now have said I did. YOU'RE WRONG.::
I have not said that Linda and you know it. I said and I will say it again... You have shown a stunning level of disrespect and intolerance for Krafty and her beliefs and in so doing shown yourself to be a hypocrit.
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posted on December 16, 2005 10:59:23 AM new
In part you may be correct, fenix.
Just say I was playing poker with a group of friends. And KD put down a hand that she considered an Ace high, royal flush. AKQJ10 of any one suit.
BUT in KD's hand the J was a red heart, while the rest of her cards were spades. NO ONE would let her get away will saying her red heart J 'could' be defined as a spade. NO ONE.
That's what I've done here. Call her on making up NEW definitions for words that don't go with the way SHE wants to make them. Can she? Sure....doesn't mean anyone has to accept them.
posted on December 16, 2005 11:55:56 AM new
Linda, this is the dictionary version. Looks like you left out a few lines.
v. prayed, pray·ing, prays
v. intr.
1. To utter or address a prayer or prayers to God, a god, or another object of worship.
2. To make a fervent request or entreaty.
v. tr.
1. To utter or say a prayer or prayers to; address by prayer.
2. To ask (someone) imploringly; beseech. Now often used elliptically for I pray you to introduce a request or entreaty: Pray be careful.
3. To make a devout or earnest request for: I pray your permission to speak.
4. To move or bring by prayer or entreaty.
posted on December 16, 2005 06:27:06 PM new
C'mon linda, everybody is just dying to hear YOUR pronouncement on what god is and what he looks like...you're the expert !
posted on December 16, 2005 09:09:39 PM newI wondered how long it would take you to drop the capital letters in KD. That's a sure sign I've been demoted.
I thought i was the only one that did that and no one noticed it, kD.
I say G'damm, this thread sure has blown way out of proportion since last i was here.
What gets me about everyone's idea of their own God is that everyone seems to be able to know and say how their God thinks, what their God likes and dislikes, what their God will do and won't do but yet no one can give an accurate explaination of exactly what their God is, man, woman, energy, etc. and give proof of it. If you can't explain what your God is then what makes you think you can speak for him/her/it??
Try looking at it another way, i and anyone here can give an accurate explaination of what a CEO of a major corporation is. So, all things being equal that means that anyone of us can say how a CEO thinks and why s/he does the things they do and makes the decisions that s/he makes but if you can't even give a explaination of what your God is than how can you say that you know how she/he/it thinks?
KD herself stated her beliefs about God and Replay stated his agreement with one of KD's statements when he said I have to agree that God isn't impressed by hypocritical politicians or new cars.
What proof do you base your beliefs on and how does anyone really know what God is or isn't impressed with when they can't explain what God is??
Don't even get me started on what praying to your higher power really is because the same applies. Pray to who or what and does s/he or it really listen, hear and act upon your prayers?? How do you know if you don't even know exactly what you are praying to?? Faith doesn't make the cut either. Faith is an excuse that people use when they have no answers.
If you were to ask me the same question, can i give an accurate explaination of what God is? The only answer that i can give is that there is no one alive now, nor anyone that has lived in the past that can do that or has done that and i can't do it either.
posted on December 17, 2005 05:49:49 AM new Harold Bloom observes..."Every second year, the Gallup pollsters survey religion in the United States, and report that 93% of us believe in God, while 89% are certain that God loves him or her on a personal basis. And 45% of us insist that Earth was created precisely as described in Genesis and is only about 9,000 or fewer years old. The actual figure is 4.5 billion years, and some dinosaur fossils are dated as 190 million years back. Perhaps the intelligent designers, led by George W Bush, will yet give us a dinosaur Gospel, though I doubt it, as they, and he, dwell within a bubble that education cannot invade."
posted on December 17, 2005 07:22:08 AM new
The best thing about "God" is that everybody knows what it is, and everyone else is wrong or just doesn't get it.
posted on December 17, 2005 07:32:40 AM new
"Could it be God is unique to each person?"
Now I admit, everyone has their own conception of God, and no two of us have the same idea. BUT wording it like this makes it appear that we each "invent" our own God. Or more simply, that God is imaginary. Therefore there is no God.
But *IF* God is a real BEING, then he exists outside our minds, and it doesn't really matter what we THINK he is. If I think a Buick has eight wheels, that doesn't make it so.
Can you have a unique internal personal RELATIONSHIP with God? Yes. But that doesn't mean God is INSIDE you or that you created him.
Keep in mind, I'm playing Devil's (I mean God's) Advocate here. I'm nowhere near as fanatical as I may sound. I think ALL religions are valid to a certain extent. Keep in mind, I'm assuming we are talking about Christianity exclusively in this thread. Other religions have a very different idea of God.
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posted on December 17, 2005 08:25:11 AM new
I'm not sure KD was speaking specifically of Christianity when she started this. I know I wasn't when I responded.
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posted on December 17, 2005 08:31:14 AM newAs far as I am concerned, you have clearly shown that your claims and calls for religious tollerenced are an absolute crock. Why should anyone be expected to respect your beliefs considering the snide, sarcastic and judgemental comments you have made regarding Kraftys. Apparently when you say that people should respect the beliefs of other, you only meant the beliefs that you agree with.
I hate to say it but it is the almighty self-righteous Christians who are causing all the trouble. They claim to speak about the teachings of Jesus and the moral/proper way to act, but yet are the most hyproctical people of them all.
Take the entire Christmas debate. God forbid if "Happy Holidays" is used in place of "Merry Christmas", the Christians are up in arms. Do the Christians think they are the "superior religion" and every one must follow them because they are in the majority? Instead of "Merry Christmas" why don't we just call wish everyone a "Merry Hunukah". You do not hear the other religious denominations screaming that their beliefs are not being used as the "holiday slogan". No you only hear it from the Christians. I wonder why this is?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 17, 2005 08:43:04 AM new
replaymedia - Your post says exactly what I've been trying to get across. Thanks for wording it so much better than I...and in so many less words too.
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logansdad....you're full of hot air. I'm a Christian and I've never done any of that here or anywhere else.
We have always celebrated Christmas in this country...it's the atheists and non-religious who have been changing things now. Want everything made generic. Well....Jesus IS the reason for the season....not the star of david or anything else. They each have their own special days to celebration their religious holidays.
It's not about being a 'superior religion'....it's that is what this holiday was set aside for....tradition again....reason it was established in the first place. Not wanting to see all the other religious artifacts displayed....but those of the Christian faith ordered removed. That's not equality....that's not tolerance and it's certainly not unbiased.
In September, the US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice was quoted as saying at Zion Church in Whistler, Alabama: "The Lord Jesus Christ is going to come on time if we just wait."
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