posted on December 30, 2005 10:15:51 PM new
So gays can't win with you. The ones that are open about it bug you, and the ones that try to hide it and lead a "normal" heterosexual life are liars and deceivers and that bugs you too, yet you still think it's a choice. That makes no sense to me Linda.
posted on December 30, 2005 10:34:39 PM new
I'm not surprise it wouldn't make sense to you KD. We have much different moral standards.....I think we both know that.
Gays are free to live their lives, enjoy their sexual activities just like any heterosexual person is. But when they start shoving it down my throat, pushing this gay marriage crap and promoting the acceptance of it by ALL....even those of us who believe feel it's morally wrong....THEN I draw my OWN line.
And I think I've already made my opinion on anyone cheating in a marriage as being immoral. If people don't want to keep their marriage vows....then they shouldn't get married. It's REAL simple. Doesn't matter if they have other 'hang ups' or not.....doesn't matter if their sexuality is 'caused' by some genetic screw up or by their own choice. Keep it to themselves and I'll be quite happy.
I've seen way too many San Francisco gay parades.....and it's quite sad, imho.
posted on December 30, 2005 10:37:31 PM new
KD - Maybe to understand my position on this issue....you could think of how YOU feel about organized religion. I feel the same way about the gay lifestyle issue.
posted on December 30, 2005 10:50:02 PM new
Linda, who's shoving anything down your throat? I don't like rap music. It's played all the time, but it never occurred to me that these rappers were trying to change me into a black person or a rapper sympathizer.
posted on December 30, 2005 11:00:50 PM new
LoL Kiara! Don't you just love people that do things they hate then complain about it?... I've seen too many gay parades and hate them... I've seen too many porno flicks and hate them...
posted on December 30, 2005 11:13:28 PM new
Yes, Kraft. They seem to go out of their way to be offended and then get all upset like it was someone else's fault they saw what they did.
I was just trying to simplify lindak's life for her so she wouldn't be so stressed out all the time.
posted on December 31, 2005 07:04:25 AM new
Bigot_K :I have no sympathy for gay men to cheat on their wives, families, and put them at risk for VD's....like HIV/AIDS.
So you by your comment above, you do have sympathy for straight men and women that cheat on their partners/spouses and put them at risk for VD's.
Linda you say you promote family. You don't. There is not one thing you have done that has led any credence to you promoting family. You have never spoken out against any TV show or movie that involves cheating, divorce, or quickie marriage. I have never seen you speak out against shows like "I want to Marry a Millionaire" or "The Bachelor". Your way of "promoting family" is to put down any family structure that does not involve a husband, a wife and kids.
That is not promoting family. That is being a discriminatory and a bigot.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on December 31, 2005 07:09:33 AM newGays are free to live their lives, enjoy their sexual activities just like any heterosexual person is. But when they start shoving it down my throat, pushing this gay marriage crap and promoting the acceptance of it by ALL....even those of us who believe feel it's morally wrong....
The same can be said with Christians like you telling retailers that they need to wish everyone a "Merry Christmas", telling everyone that what they should or should not be doing in the privacy of their own homes, telling everyone that Christ and prayer needs to be a part of the curriculum at school. The Christians want nativity scenes up at Christmas time. The Christians want God plastered everywhere.
Well there are some that do not believe in Christ. There are some that do not believe in god at all. Why do we all need to listen to the CHRISTIAN AGENDA.
It is OK for BIGOT_K to promote her Christian agenda while other groups can't.
It would appear as if BIGOT_K does not even know the meaning of what being a Christian is.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 31, 2005 07:45:29 AM new
I don't understand how you feel that a movie that is based in the 1960s where you have two men that don't even feel they can safely live together somehow pushes gay marriage. I think that people are trying to project a lot more onto this movie than what it is about because it makes it easier to justify hating it. So far in this thread it has been associated it with pedophilia, incest and gay marriage - none of which are even hinted at in the film but if you make enough implications to people that won't see it they'll certainly believe you.
It's a freakin movie. It's not even a movie that was originally made for wide release, it was supposed to be an art house film. they were not trying to change the attitude of middle america when they made this film. They never thought middle america was going to see it. The plan only changed when it started getting such amazing reviews and they thought that it might be able to find success on a wider market than originally anticipated.
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posted on December 31, 2005 07:53:33 AM new
You're making sense fenix nobody's gonna believe you.
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posted on December 31, 2005 08:07:45 AM newI think that people are trying to project a lot more onto this movie than what it is about
People take away from Movies what they see, what they feel and what they want. There is no 'correct' interpretation that you think must dominate otheres opinions somehow. The film makers may have their own idea, but that never stops people from getting what they want out of a movie.
posted on December 31, 2005 08:23:35 AM new
Dbl - Linda has not seen the movie, so how is it that you feel she has been able to come away from it with anything?
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posted on December 31, 2005 08:28:31 AM new
Have YOU seen the movie, fenix? I took it from you being SO upset about me posting that commentary that you hadn't.
posted on December 31, 2005 10:04:28 AM new
Linda - I don't camp out at the computer hitting refresh waiting for a reply I can respond to. I'm trying to clean up and get laundry done, I sit down at the computer when I need a break.
No I have not seen the movie yet. Was supposed to go Christmas day but didn't make it. Going to see it this week.
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posted on December 31, 2005 11:26:22 AM new
Im sure logansdad has seen it-after seeing it 7 times in a row,they probably had to drag him out of the movie theater.
posted on December 31, 2005 12:44:22 PM new
Dbl - Linda has not seen the movie, so how is it that you feel she has been able to come away from it with anything?
Well maybe she is going into (if she were to go) with something. You cannot argue or disagree with somebody's personal likes or dislikes. She doesnt like gays or anything about them. When she read the review, her focus seemed mainly to be on the broken marriages, and yet youre trying to tell her what she should get out of the movie,.. or what she is "wrongly" projecting into it.
posted on December 31, 2005 01:17:32 PM new
Dbl - I am telling her that a movie set in the 1960s based on a short story that was written ten years ago has nothing to do with the issue of gay marriage. I am fully aware that Linda is projecting her dislike for the issue and the fear that it may someday be accepted onto the movie. I'm saying that there is no basis for that projection and I have just as much right to say that she is wrong and as she does to believe that she is correct.
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posted on December 31, 2005 01:39:34 PM new
Thank you dbl, for being one of the few here [maybe the only one ] who can see what my main focus WAS on. Whether or not you agree with me and my opinions, it's really nice to see some can be open enough to understand we don't all think alike and we don't all see things in the same way. AND that that doesn't make us WRONG.
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Again I post the link to my commentary whose editor of WND....and whose opinion and take of what this movie, and others just like it are really all about.
More acceptance of the gay lifestyle....and approval for gay marriages.
Yes, the talents of Hollywood's finest are brought together in a successful attempt at making us experience Ennis's suffering, supposedly inflicted by a homophobic society.
Heath Ledger's performance is brilliant and devastating. We do indeed leave the theater feeling Ennis's pain. Mission accomplished. Lost in all of this, however, are towering, life-and-death realities concerning sex and morality and the sanctity of marriage and the preciousness of children and the direction of our civilization itself.
So please, you moviemakers, how about easing off that tight camera shot of Ennis's suffering and doing a slow pan over the massive wreckage all around him? What about the years of silent anguish and loneliness Alma stoically endures for the sake of keeping her family together, or the terrible betrayal, suffering and tears of the children, bereft of a father?
None of this merits more than a brief acknowledgment in "Brokeback Mountain."
What is important to the moviemakers, rather, is that the viewer be made to feel, and feel, and feel again as deeply as possible the exquisitely painful loneliness and heartache of the homosexual cowboys – denied their truest happiness because of an ignorant and homophobic society.
Thus are the Judeo-Christian moral values that formed the very foundation and substance of Western culture for the past three millennia all swept away on a delicious tide of manufactured emotion. And believe me, skilled directors and actors can manufacture emotion by the truckload. It's what they do for a living.
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