posted on January 1, 2006 10:48:22 AM
logansdad said:
Sure, the bible says homosexuality is immoral, but there are tons of other things in the Bible that are immoral - abortion, divorce, hate, prostitution[/b].
First time I've ever seen you actually ADMIT it DOES say that in the Bible.
The religious right selectively wants to choose which parts of the Bible that want to belief.
I totally disagree...YOU may believe they do...of course, THEY don't see it in the same, extremely limited way you do.
The religious right would rather focus on those acts that they deem as immoral and destructive instead of promoting the true message of Jesus.
Again, not true, just your own warped opinion. They very much try to live by all the teachings in the Bible....and by doing so ARE promoting it's TRUE message.
posted on January 1, 2006 11:34:02 AM
Linda, what Logan said is true. The Bible also says that anyone that works on Saturday should be put to death. Why believe one passage over the other unless you've made a choice?
posted on January 1, 2006 11:48:16 AM
KD, I'm continually surprise by the fact that when I address questions to YOU, you won't answer....or give some totally off-the-wall 'supposedly funny' answer.
Conversation works BOTH ways. NOT by me always answering all your questions while you choose to/neglect returning the favor.
I don't need to defend ANYTHING to you. I was responding to what logansdad posted.
posted on January 1, 2006 12:09:04 PM
Linda, stop doing that! Every time I ask you something, you say I haven't answered any of your questions along the way, so you won't answer mine. Again, what questions are you talking about that I haven't answered????
I was pointing out how selective Bible followers can be, just as Logan mentioned. Is one passage less valid than the other? Do you get to pick and choose which statements to follow? I can think of many more passages that most people think of as stupid for this day & age, but they're there. Why are they no longer valid, yet the anti-homosexuality part is?
posted on January 1, 2006 12:13:14 PM
Oh, so I see??? [maybe] YOU expect me to inform you of how all the different Bibles/denominations of religious people have made their OWN decisions as to what they believe and what they don't? And why?
ROFLOL.....don't hold your breath, dear KD.
And I said what I did about you not addressing many of my questions, because it's true. I'll point it out next time you do it again.
posted on January 1, 2006 12:24:07 PMWhy are they no longer valid, yet the anti-homosexuality part is?
kraft, do you really think eating meat on a friday or working or not working on a saturday has the same implications for procreation and the advancement of humanity - as promoting and advocating same gender sex does?? You're really not that stupid are you?
posted on January 1, 2006 12:27:38 PM
Get real, Linda. Nowhere did I ask you to respond for everyone on the planet. I merely stated that Logan is right - that some Bible believers choose what they want to believe in, one of which is disliking gays. Just like they choose to ignore the fact it says, in the Bible, you should be put to death if you work on Saturday, which in my mind, must be a much bigger deal if death is the consequences.
P.S. I am trying to discuss this, not fight like you are, Linda.
posted on January 1, 2006 12:31:12 PM
Double, are you from planet Ego? Not everyone believes that procreation of man is the ultimate goal. How stupid can YOU be?
posted on January 1, 2006 12:31:32 PM
Kraft's question is a valid one, that nobody here seems to want to answer. "The bible says..." ought to be a red flag, a warning bell for anyone with any sense. The bible says pretty much what anyone with almost any agenda wants it to say.
Why is it OK to pick and choose from the bible? Why shouldn't ALL of the bible's precepts be followed to the letter? Who among you is wise enough to second guess God?
And don't anybody here lump me among "athiests and non-believers". I'm neither one.
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posted on January 1, 2006 12:33:33 PM
KD, it's your OPINION I'm trying to fight....but you're very wrong.
I just refuse to defend why ONE religious denomination believes one way and others believe differently.
You've asked for me to answer something that YOU and logansdad have 'painted with a very broad brush'. That's why there are so many different Churches....that ALL practice being Christians. That's why the Jewish faith doesn't believe in the New Testiment. NO religous group agrees on everything written in any Bible.
So when you ask a question, picking out ONE phrase you believe shows ALL Christians don't believe/practice that one verse...while they do agree on many other things....I personally think it should be QUITE clear to you that no one, including religious people agree on everything.
posted on January 1, 2006 12:38:47 PM
kraft, they dont choose what do believe in. They choose to follow the doctrine of the church. As time and things have evolved and changed, so it is allowed for that doctrine to evolve, according to the hierarchy of the church members.
Your problem is you and logans are trying to across the board blank-market the bible when the interpretations of it are as wide as the number of religions who use it as a foundation. The are quite a few differences in even Christian religions between Episcopalians, protestants, Catholics, baptists, lutherans...it goes on and on. And the Judaism custom you speak of (I think) is based on strictly the old testament.
posted on January 1, 2006 12:41:21 PMNot everyone believes that procreation of man is the ultimate goal. How stupid can YOU be?
LOL LOL And just how to suppose humans plan to hang around this planet?
You ask why some things are allowed easement in the church, and others are not. I tell you the reason I believe the church takes this stand and what their consideration is ... And youre answer is: ..Not everyone believes procreation of man....
Your question was not on what everybody believes.
You are very ignorant on the subject you like to dice up for fun. lol. You'd do well to take some courses in religion, if you really wanted to understand it all.
posted on January 1, 2006 12:52:14 PM
Double, sorry but I don't think humans are a big deal and I don't think procreation is the ultimate goal. But I do think when a book tells a person to pit themselves against another human being, and that person CHOOSES to believe it's right, then there's something wrong with the book or the person choosing that route. We're supposed to love our neighbour, but when you start adding conditions, your love is false, imo.
Doesn't God tell you to let go of your judgements and that he will take care of them? Then why do we all love to carry around this type of baggage?
posted on January 1, 2006 01:05:24 PMWe're supposed to love our neighbour, but when you start adding conditions, your love is false, imo.
kraft, every living thing, and every body has conditions. Whether God made it that way, or nature made it that way, I think your lofty ideals about supposed to having none, are what's false.
posted on January 1, 2006 01:12:06 PMIt's her game. I'm done playing it.
Yeah, Linda... cant even be serious enough to say what her goals are, or what mankinds goals are supposed to be, to her. I dont think she knows herself, but just wants to play dispute what someone else believes.
posted on January 1, 2006 01:16:15 PMAnd don't anybody here lump me among "athiests and non-believers". I'm neither one.
I've never seen anyone do that with you, profe. You've expressed your own faith and beliefs here...you're NEVER, as they have, told this board you're an atheist.
So....NO BODY is being painted with any broad statement here. ONLY the self admitted atheists.
posted on January 1, 2006 01:23:05 PM
Sure Linda. Scoff me off with statements like "I'm playing a game" or "I don't answer YOUR questions". If anyone reads my posts, they will see I have asked you many times what are all these questions I haven't answered. I've also asked you many times what games I'm playing. You don't answer me.
AGAIN, I didn't ask you to answer for all faiths. Where are you getting this from?
posted on January 1, 2006 01:25:03 PM
KD said: sorry but I don't think humans are a big deal and I don't think procreation is the ultimate goal.
LOL....what can you say to a statement like that one? LOL -----------------
dbl said: cant even be serious enough to say what her goals are, or what mankinds goals are supposed to be, to her.
Just as I've pointed out to her several times. She doesn't address issues put to her....she ignores them and asks more questions. But of course, you see her denying that here.
I dont think she knows herself, but just wants to play dispute what someone else believes.
Yep....so true. BUT you'll please also take note that she DOESN'T address questions like this to people like logansdad....who appears to me to be against abortions, while being supportive of gay sex, etc...the things HE'S mentioned several times.
She/they don't ask HIM why he picks and chooses what he believes from the Bible, himself.
posted on January 1, 2006 02:07:51 PM
Linda, you have a problem with questions. You charge over and over that no one has answered your questions. You can't intelligently answer one and you can't seem to recognize when one of yours is answered. If an answer does not agree with your narrow minded viewpoint it is still an answer.
When anyone asks a qustion about information that you have posted you inevitably counter with the lie that they haven't answered your questions so you will not answer theirs. And when they inquire, what questions? you fail to answer. What nonsense! ENOUGH about your dam questions!!!
posted on January 1, 2006 02:13:24 PM
To our dearest atheist poster here, helen.
Don't tell me what is enough of anything. I only laugh you off.
Don't see the KD supporters going after the profes BELIEFS....dont see them address questions about the Bible and their beliefs to the Christian LEFT....who often agree with the Christian right when it comes to moral issues.
So, once again helen....I'll tell you to take care of helen...and Linda will do and say what she wants.
NO ONE can deny that dbl has asked KD at least three questions in this thread that KD has NOT answered/addressed
posted on January 1, 2006 02:20:05 PM
And do you constantly need to hold hands with Dbl while you post? It's like a greek play in which you and Dbl make indirect comments to the audience concerning your encounter with the other poster. UNREAL.
By the way, you've already mentioned once in this thread that I'm an atheist. What's your point?
You say that you laugh me off? Linda, you laugh EVERY poster off with a LOL at the beginning of nearly every comment.
posted on January 1, 2006 02:30:12 PM
Here you go, helen.
I said to KD:
KD, I'm continually surprise by the fact that when I address questions to YOU, you won't answer....or give some totally off-the-wall 'supposedly funny' answer.
Conversation works BOTH ways. NOT by me always answering all your questions while you choose to/neglect returning the favor.
I don't need to defend ANYTHING to you. I was responding to what logansdad posted.
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And to dbl's question, KD answered:
Right now my ultimate goal is to get you guys to answer some of the questions I've put forth.
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Just as I said helen.....pay better attention. I am right....you are wrong. You can't provided KD's non-supposedly funny answer to dbls serious question.
posted on January 1, 2006 02:31:00 PM
No, linda. It's not only KD. It' every single poster here. And even on the other board you refused to answer questions.
So just shut up about questions. If you can't answer them them just say so. And learn how to recognize an answer that you receive from others.
And just how to suppose humans plan to hang around this planet?
