posted on November 4, 2000 07:20:21 PM
I am concerned about the possible consequences of this endeavor. I sincerely hope that you have RL info of all your members logged, because when those lawsuits start coming in, you are going to want to spread the pain of it equally.
This kind of thing, starts with the very best of intentions will always spiral out of control and whether they are members of your group anymore or not...it will all come back to this group.
Nobody is infallible and the over active members will no doubt pin down a few non shillers in the roundup. Kinda like dolphin in the tuna nets. And even the people who really are shilling might take the chance at suing.
I worry for the innocent who will no doubt be accused before it is all over with.
I have run into a shiller or four ebay did something once didnt another time. I asked a friend to look at the history to see if I could be mistaken and I was not and still no ebay. So I DO absolutely understand the frustration, but what will the ultimate cost be? And who will pay it
posted on November 4, 2000 07:24:36 PM
You know, Shendra, I was thinking.
If the email came from a kiosk at the San Francisco Airport, then, if that kiosk is like the computer kiosks I have seen in hotels here on the East Coast, one needs a credit card to operate it.
Credit Cards are eminently traceable.
DO make sure the authorities check out that angle.
posted on November 4, 2000 07:25:05 PM
isworeiwouldneverdothis - They may have said they changed the name of their "enterprise," but they sure flaunted it enough in the e-mail they sent.
Thanks for clarifying.. Even though it is against eBay rules for your auctions, it by no means should warrant any type of email that threatens your family.
I think when eBay gives user information it only gives Name, Phone Number, City, State. I don't think it gives street addresses. I know that wouldn't be hard for someone to get though.
But their are valid reasons for a seller to need to contact a buyer or vice versa. Maybe eBay should change it similar to their Peer rating system. You can't receive information on a user unless their is a completed auction between the requesting party and the requested's information. You can't praise or neg someone anymore without it being related to a completed auction.
posted on November 4, 2000 07:42:27 PM
One last thing. If you believe that not addressing concerns here or other places will make those concerns go away you are wrong. Silence is not a friend in a game this big. There are many with questions and objections.
I think people are afraid to ask or speak their concerns, fears, and or dislike of this posse. Hell, I can almost feel a presence right now seaching my bidding and selling ...... LOL
posted on November 4, 2000 07:45:09 PM
Well, in the San Francisco airport the kiosks have been installed since 1997. And I would suspect that if anyone were familiar enough with them to use them for this purpose, they had used them before. (Otherwise you could go to any net cafe.) Face it, the Airport is not exactly central. YOu have to travel a ways to get there, and parking is always a headache.
posted on November 4, 2000 07:49:43 PM
Kitsch: LOL, is righT!! What I stumbled into over on the eBay site itself, and proceded to read weeks back worth of --- it's the BEST subterfuge of the NON-Silence you speak of I've ever seen on the entire Net.
LOL - NO wonder bids plummeted last summer -- you shoulda read what they all said, again & again & again, hour after hour after hour, day after day.
I really hope that they are very werry *proud* of the gigantic ANTI-eBaySellers ADVERTISEMENT they created, and on eBay's own boards, LOLOLOLOLOL.
posted on November 4, 2000 07:50:46 PM
isworeiwouldneverdothis...
Very True.. Unfortunately for me I travel about 36 weeks out of the year.. So I spend enough time in airports across this country.. Not by choice, but because of my job.. So I guess I wasn't thinking the person lived in San Francisco.. But rather a person travelling and having more time on their hands waiting on our On Time airlines.. Oh well, I mostly migrate to the Delta Crown Rooms to avoid the other travellers and find a place to use my laptop.
posted on November 4, 2000 07:52:58 PM
I'm sure they are very proud and will be even more proud of the ever vigiligent over excitable watch force this will create. http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[email protected]/
I asked questions. Some folks didn't like the questions. The called me a troll, a criminal shiller, and a trouble maker. Anyone who asked questions they didn't like was promptly labeled a troll and a shiller.
My contact info was pulled.
Lots of other stuff.
Then Larissa realized that I was asking questions and not flaming anyone, and the others were making all kinds of threats, etc. The main perpetrator of that was banned. He formed his own board, called the 'Online Militia', later changed to the "Happy Holiday Board". His official title there is 'General'.
Then he started threatening Larissa. Calling her a criminal. One of his choice quotes from the ebaY boards (since removed):
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shame on you, god is watching. Bye bye now, scum.
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He has followers who believe in him.
You are correct in everything you say. Most of the folks who were responsible for that kind of thing are gone. They are still out there posting slanderous statements about myself, Larissa, and others.
Yes, questions are dangerous to some people, but Larissa has been very willing to answer them and allow them and even encourage them.
posted on November 4, 2000 07:57:49 PM
Kitsch: Nah, I really doubt that they'll be any type of watching them vigilance ~~ once ya git 'em figured out, it's actually very humorous. Especially their arkward impersonation of Net Trolls, LOLOLOL. Aint' nobody gonna pay no attention to that <quote> nonsense <quote>. hardy har har I mean, really, HOW blatant can you get?!
There will be more to follow tho. Always more. Look what this thing has caused already? You believe this group knows and can control all the members? http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[email protected]/
posted on November 4, 2000 08:03:47 PM
kitsch: I suspect a large number of multiple i.d.s.
isworeidneverdothis: Nikita Kruschev? LOL!
You'd do some plenty weird lookin' business steps if you had Jeff Bezos breathin' down your neck, pounding the shoe on the table, proclaiming haughtily to eBay, "We will *crush* you!"
This will all make a good comedy film in about fifteen to twenty years.
MEANTIME, the actual problem confronting microbusinesses is that the marketplace is overflooded with merchandise and prices have thus taken a deflationary turn.
posted on November 4, 2000 08:03:58 PM
Kelly, I would like to look at your stuff, but I want to let you know, I am not looking for shills or anything. You know what I mean.
kitsch: LOLOLOLOL -- that would creat a real firestorm were every lurker & poster of AW take a look at your dollar stuff and place bids -- they could yak that one for at least 20 pages.
isworeidneverdothis: say, there's a post over there on how to detect shilling - I do *hope* you'll contribute. lololololol - I'd love to see your face while you read the suggestions, LOL!
toyranch: ya know, i'm curious just how HIGH THE HIT RATE went at the T&S, i mean really when i started reading over there it was s-l-o-w --- eBay musta been amazed with alla the traffic they got - surprisingly it never crashed the board, LOL
posted on November 4, 2000 08:46:45 PMSG52 - I almost responded to an earlier post of yours where you basically said that these guys were wonderful for doing what they are doing. You told the person that started this thread to cancel the auctions and ask eBay to NARU them. Now that post seems to be deleted and I wish it wasn't because it shows your true feelings regarding this issue. I wonder why you chose to delete it?
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I never made any such post.
I did make one of the initial posts to this thread, expressing more or less what magazine_guy said straight out later: there was no estate, there was no auction, and there was no email. What we have is a detractor of the Detective Agency making stuff up to make the Detective Agency look bad.
That post, and another one I made later are still here. I don't know how to delete a post if I wanted to. I know how to edit it to nothing left, but the blank posting remains.
