HartCottageQuilts
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posted on December 4, 2000 10:29:56 AM
I don't always leave retaliatory NF.
Well, that's certainly a demonstration of your sterling business practices.
BTW, just how much are you claiming in damages? How did you arrive at that figure? You'll need to document the value of your "good name". Not sure what the $ limit is on small claims in the jurisdiction in which you intend to file, but that may be moot - if your claim is primarily that ebay's actions damaged your reputation, I don't think that sort of suit is heard in small claims court.
[ edited by HartCottageQuilts on Dec 4, 2000 10:39 AM ]
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preacher4u
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posted on December 4, 2000 10:48:25 AM
mindreader747:
Most users manage to keep the pos feedback to neg feedback ratio around 400 pos to 1 neg.
I totally disagree w/ you on this one. I think that a minimal percentage of users over 500 in feedback has just one neg or none at all.
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canvid13
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posted on December 4, 2000 12:49:03 PM
I am not claiming any specific amount at this point in time. I just don't think that Ebay should be able to do what it did without even an apology!!
What have I lost? Specifically related to these actions have been the time spent listing and bidding on the auctions effected. The loss in sales from the auctions effected. I'm not out for money specifically here, more for some accountability and some justice and maybe, just, maybe, getting this arrogant company to look at how it handles situations like this.
There should be a better way to appeal a safe harbor decision.
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RB
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posted on December 4, 2000 01:46:58 PM
preacher4u ... "I think that a minimal percentage of users over 500 in feedback has just one neg or none at all."
Totally unrealistic goal for us mortals, and what does this mean for the millions of eBay part timers who will never reach a total of 500 feedbacks, good or bad??
canvid13 ... with all due respect, the total sum of your 'losses' plus a buck and a half will get you a cup of coffee. Get over it already 
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Crystalline_Sliver
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posted on December 4, 2000 02:02:51 PM
Call me stupid, but you haven't provided enough hard edvidence to sway me.
I suggest you shut down and eliminate all hope.
Unless you can provide internal documentation that you were targeted specificlly, and that it violated any Race or Discrimination laws, you have about as much chance of winning as me winning the Miss America Pagent (and i'm a guy for Christ sakes!!).
:\\\"Crystalline Sliver cannot be the target of spells or abilities.
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canvid13
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posted on December 4, 2000 02:39:46 PM
Hi Silver,
I definatley disagree with you. Ebay's actions have spoken for themselves.
They simply have to be accountable as we all have to do.
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codasaurus
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posted on December 4, 2000 02:47:13 PM
Canvid13,
Give it up. I'm about ready to put you on my IGNORE list because you seem totally hung up on this supposed injustice. No new facts, evidence or any new thoughts. You are merely harping on eBay's supposed injustice to you when you have offered not a shred of proof that eBay actually acted unjustly.
And I have never put anyone on IGNORE before...
[ edited by codasaurus on Dec 4, 2000 02:54 PM ]
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on December 4, 2000 03:13:31 PM
So, canvid, you're "not claiming any specific amount". You're going to have to, if you plan on suing.
If the relief you want isn't "money specifically here,", what sort of "accountability" and "justice" do you expect the court to grant you? Besides your desire, as stated in your first post, to "prove a point"? Judges don't take kindly to nuisance suits. Here's a useful site on basic California law in this matter:
http://www.west.net/~smith/damages.htm
See particularly the section on Limitations on Damages.
But hey, first things first. I'd like to see your argument as to why ebay should be held to a contract which you yourself admit to have breached on more than one occasion.
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networker67
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posted on December 4, 2000 03:49:00 PM
Canvid - For the last time give it up. The best remedy you could hope for from ebay is the reinstatement of both of your accounts. You got that, and that is a victory.
What you choose to do with that victory is up to you. I suggest you go forward and make some money from your auctions. ebay would rather close up shop and shut down than apologize for anything. With that said please let it go.
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MAH645
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posted on December 4, 2000 08:17:40 PM
Great, Al Gore has paved the way for fruitless lawsuits in America.
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mindreader747
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posted on December 4, 2000 08:21:43 PM
Do you know what this is REALLY about?
And I quote:
"I am not claiming any specific amount at this point in time. I just don't think that Ebay should be able to do what it did without even an apology!!"
An APOLOGY!!!
THAT is what's WRONG with the civil law system. Individuals like this, whose own behavior undermines their own reputation and claim of being a victim, waste valuable court time and money simply because THEIR FEELINGS WERE HURT!!!!
Yes, Ebay does screw with people sometimes, because, as a huge machine, they have a lot of trouble being personal.
Message is understood.
We know.
However, WRONG messenger!
[ edited by mindreader747 on Dec 4, 2000 08:22 PM ]
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mindreader747
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posted on December 4, 2000 08:28:11 PM
MAH645:
Yeah, and I suppose the Republicans would have just handed the election over to the Democrats if the tables were turned.
Go somewhere else with that BS.
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canvid13
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posted on December 5, 2000 06:33:38 AM
Geez, do all of you guys work for Ebay? Do you really think I can name an amout here on this board and go to court at a later date? Every thing said here can potentially be used at a later date as evidence. So please stop fishing.
The facts are the facts. It's very simple. I am not going to give up on my case but I will give up on this board as most of you seem incapable of discussing the issue which is not my feedback!!
It's a shame that so many of you can't grasp what a wonderful tool this message board is?
I have yet to see one arguement supporting Ebay in regards to THEIR actions.
The FACT is that if I wasn't supposed to use the second account, WHY was it REINSTATED by Ebay? If that was an error on someone in Safe Harbor then Ebay is at fault for suspending the account when I used it after reinstatement.
That's it! That's the whole issue!! The fact that my main account perhaps shouldn't have been suspended in the first place is a bonus!
Sheesh!
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raygomez
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posted on December 5, 2000 06:44:16 AM
canvid13:
You received 30 negs, yet you seem to have no remorse for your own wrongdoing?
Also, you seem to retaliate, and you have left numerous negatives when people complain about you.
Maybe you owe your customers an apology . . .
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RB
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posted on December 5, 2000 08:17:12 AM
Just TROLLing along,
Singing a song ...
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codasaurus
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posted on December 5, 2000 10:32:09 AM
Canvid13,
"The FACT is that if I wasn't supposed to use the second account, WHY was it REINSTATED by Ebay? If that was an error on someone in Safe Harbor then Ebay is at fault for suspending the account when I used it after reinstatement."
"That's it! That's the whole issue!!"
You don't have two accounts with eBay. You have two userids. One account. When a userid is suspended part of eBay's procedures require that the account holder not attempt to use the "loophole" of other userids to continue with any activities on eBay. There would be no point to suspensions otherwise.
It is not eBay's responsibility to suspend all your userids to prevent you from getting around a suspension.
Nor is it eBay's responsibility to recompense you for any lost income while your account was suspended. It's only obligation is to refund any listing fees for auctions that were cancelled due to your suspension.
That eBay re-instated your account suggests that they have gone as far as they are willing to go in this matter short of your bringing a legal proceeding against them.
What will be the basis for your legal proceeding?
That you lost income? You will have to quantify that damage when you sue eBay. So get yourself some legal advice and quantify the damage and see if your legal counsel suggests proceeding with a suit.
That your reputation was damaged? You will have to quantify the damage to your reputation. So get yourself some legal advice and quantify the damage and see if your legal counsel suggests proceeding with a suit.
That eBay owes you an apology? Courts don't deal in non-quantifiable damages since it is not possible to judge the amount of relief that is due should you win a case.
If your account and userids are currently re-instated on eBay then you have already received as much "apology" as you ever will from eBay.
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canvid13
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posted on December 5, 2000 10:36:38 AM
How much does Ebay pay you guys??
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networker67
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posted on December 5, 2000 10:50:35 AM
canvid - They do it for the thrill and excitement of it. Now IMHO you have won with the reinstatement of your accounts. So why not walk away gracefully and list those items and make some green.
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zeenza
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posted on December 5, 2000 11:02:55 AM
This is dumb.
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codasaurus
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posted on December 5, 2000 11:17:43 AM
Ignore...
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engelskdansk
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posted on December 5, 2000 12:13:04 PM
You claim that eBay damaged your "good name".
Let's see, your poor feedback record on eBay would suggest that your "good name" is a moot point. (You have also admitted to a similar feedback situation on Amazon.)
You have demonstrated time and again your inability to complete your transactions in a responsible, mature fashion. When you are clearly in the wrong you show your unprofessionalism by leaving retaliatory feedback.
Accountability?! I don't think so. It's too bad that most people don't read feedback. I do, and would never transact with a seller of your record, no matter what you were selling.
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RB
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posted on December 5, 2000 01:28:37 PM
As I walked out on the streets of Laredo,
I spied a young TROLL who was pissed with eBay ....
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HJW
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posted on December 5, 2000 01:47:56 PM
RM
To continue the song,
As I walked out on the streets of Loredo
I spied a young lout who was pissed with Ebay..oh
Ebay oh...Ebay oh...was this a young troll?
Helen
[ edited by HJW on Dec 5, 2000 01:51 PM ]
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Crystalline_Sliver
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posted on December 5, 2000 03:04:05 PM
How much does Ebay pay you guys??
They still owe me $30 in FVF I had to recollect, but you don't see me bitchin' about it.
:\\\"Crystalline Sliver cannot be the target of spells or abilities.
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