posted on December 5, 2000 04:42:56 PM new
I already have an account with 129FB 0 negs but I'm looking an ID with at lease 1k so I can dedicate my full time to it, and the other ID to build the necessary feedbck.
How much am I willing to day? How much are you a$king?
Thank You for this great service
posted on December 5, 2000 04:58:48 PM new
So you are basically saying you want to defraud all of your potential buyers by claiming to be someone or something you are not.
You want to come off as a Seller with experience and know-how who has completed over 1000 transactions on ebay, yet you have only completed under 200 ???
You expect someone to sell you their reputation to do with it what you will ???
What you are trying to pull is fraud in my eyes. If I buy from a seller with 1000 or more feedback I expect to be dealing with the person who actuallt recieved those feedbacks and earned them. This tells me the seller knows what he is doing and I do not have to worry about incompetence. You can buy a feedback rating of over 10,000 but it will not make you a better seller if you do not know how to take care of your customers.
posted on December 5, 2000 05:22:19 PM new
Cix Can you believe this? I didn't even finish reading your post, that's a typical answer/opinion of those guys who are so paranoiac about fraud. Do you think I'm going to pay a thousand dollars, then make a fraud? Try to be smarter, I really want to hear a more mature answer/idea/opinion not that typical and obsolete one who only think in fraud. Please don't bother to post, I won't really read your message, I want the pros and const about getting a new ID with more than 1k, but please it isn't always for fraud. Usually sellers with more than 1k don't get bids from kids/teens and irresponsible people, that's why I said before I want to dedicate my time to do business not to spent time with those irresponsible bidders, so please Cix please next time try to think different, more in a positive way and don't assume the negative, If I want to scam anybody I don't need an ID with a thousand feedback, an ID with just 1 feedback will be more than enough to make a fraud in your own face. But please don't post, you already spoke and I know how you think, I want to read a more experienced user with an open mind in different aspects, and probably a member who did this in the past.
posted on December 5, 2000 05:39:04 PM newEveryone:
Please keep basic etiquette in mind as you post and address the subject and not other posters.
microsoft:
Every member is allowed to post to any thread they wish. If you do not like the opinion expressed please take advantage of the "ignore" feature... You can find it by clicking on the user's name that you would like to ignore.
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[ edited by joice on Dec 5, 2000 05:40 PM ]
posted on December 5, 2000 06:48:28 PM new
This really isn't any different than a brick and mortar business selling to new owners, keeping the same name and same clientele--just make sure you let them know 'under new management'.
posted on December 5, 2000 07:24:40 PM new
Hi Microsoft,
That sounds weird.. Anyway, the best thing to do is build your own feedback rating, otherwise, it's meaningless and more than a little mis-leading to your buyers. You can't buy a reputation, you earn it!
We have our red star, through a lot of hard work, and we still get quite a few flakey, bidders..
posted on December 5, 2000 09:46:29 PM new
Nope, took a lot of hard work to get it, and I'm keeping mine thanks. I can't imagine entering into ANY kind of business transaction with you after your post to cix. Take a valium and lay down for awhile, maybe you'll feel better tomorrow
posted on December 5, 2000 09:59:41 PM new
cix, this isn't any different than buying a franchise such as a Mcdonalds which has a reputation built up. On the issue of fraud: It'd be fraudulant to pass yourself off as 1000+ pos FB seller if you wouldn't be able to keep up the reputation.
posted on December 5, 2000 11:22:05 PM new
Actually, it's probably a violation of eBay rules to purchase a UserID and use it. Have you checked with eBay as to whether this would be permitted?
And this is somewhat different than a "real world" purchase of a franchise or someone's else's shop and name, in that we have so little to go on on the internet - no real "physical" presence, items for auction cannot be inspected before purchase, etc. This results in greater emphasis on the reputation of the unseen seller and his unseen merchandise, and that repuatation is feedback and word-of-email only.
It's also short-sheeting a system which relies on individuals to build their own reputations. It's a built-in assumption that we each have done so. It's somewhat like "sniping a reputation" that was simply not earned at all.
Certainly, minimally, one would have to make it clear that one purchased said reputation, just as a new store or franchise owner would do. And I find it interesting that you haven't mentioned that you plan to do that.
posted on December 6, 2000 06:35:15 AM new
That is interesting....I wonder when that rule in the user agreement was added. I recall about 1.5 years ago that there was a jeweler who auctioned off his multiple ID's (he had several) all under one auction for a hefty sum.
posted on December 6, 2000 08:34:32 AM new
Microsoft, why do you feel you need a feedback of over 1000 to establish you as a good, or fulltime seller? Volume does not automatically give a seller a better reputation. Even though it's splitting hairs, I would much rather buy from someone with 100 or feedbacks, all positive, than someone with 1000 or more with 30 or so feedbacks.
The type of items your planning on marketing may dicate that higher numbers are important. Wal-Mart sells a lot of volume and has "good feedback" for the most part, but, I would still rather buy certain items in the locally owned specialty shops where I know that customer satisfaction is the ultimate goal.
Too, the quality of feedback usually tells more than the number of feedback. Again, I would rather buy from a seller whose feedback says, "great transaction, great packaging, fast shipment, etc" than some guy who has a 1000 or more that simply say, "shipment arrived".
Than again, I don't understand why you think the high feedback rating is necessary for your undertaking. Could you enlighten us some more?
posted on December 6, 2000 08:37:53 AM new
The wording that TheDewey refers to is:
Q. I've got an idea. I'm going to register additional email addresses to reserve User IDs! I'll even sell them!
A. eBay does not allow this. Please don't register additional email addresses in order to sell them later.
Selling an existing userid is not specifically forbidden by eBay. Of course, eBay has the catch all statement that they can suspend a userid at any time for any reason so it is still a dicey proposition to buy or sell an established userid.
posted on December 6, 2000 08:43:30 AM new
I agree with Mzalez, this shouldn't be any different than selling a brick-and-mortar business. I see no reason why eBay should have any concerns about it at all.
Microsoft, think about this: If you buy an established moniker from from someone who's been selling furbies and beanies and you want to sell loose diamonds and fine jewelry, the previously established reputation is of no value whatsoever. So, according to your product, you may need to look at what the established seller has been marketing, in addition to his feedback.
posted on December 6, 2000 09:27:08 AM new
Hello Iswanson,
True except that the userid is not really what Microsoft is interested in buying. It is the feedback.
The userid can be changed to reflect the nature of the new owner's business.
This points out some of the weaknesses in how eBay displays feedback. The rating can conceal a substantial amount of negatives and neutrals.
And if you display the feedback profile you generaly have no idea about the types of items bought or sold and the amount of the transaction.
Only by displaying the auctions associated with the most recent feedback can you get an idea of the seller's business.
In my opinion, userids should not be transferred from one individual to another. But I don't see any reasonable means for preventing the sale of userids.
posted on December 6, 2000 09:36:20 AM new
Well, I see why he wants to buy one. He wants to jump in to being a power seller and see if he can make a go of it working full time at auctions. No disgrace in that. If he can buy in at that level it will save him at least a year of selling and hoping people leave feedback. I have sold more than 50 auctions and have only received 14 feedbacks. At that rate it will take me 2 or 3 years to get to a thousand.
posted on December 6, 2000 09:56:58 AM new
Okay heres the question: do sellers with 1k or more get more serious bidders? When you were "young" did you get a lot of teens, kids, and deadbeats?
So far, in my low feedback sellerdom, it's been a rare animal.
In my high feedback bidderdom, it's never happened...I've seen some weird stuff, but to sellers of all feedback stripe.
And....
Cix is right.
You are trying to ride the coattails of another persons work, with no guarantee to bidders that you will do the same.
As a bidder I have no problem with a 200 feedback seller, esp if they have good feedback, good TOS and know their stuff.
This is Person to Person sales, not a franchise.
BTW, Joyce, why chastise ppl if someone is coming on the board and perpetrating fraud?
Just thinking out loud.
posted on December 6, 2000 10:07:05 AM new
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posted on December 6, 2000 10:07:59 AM new
Hello Capriole,
I doubt if Microsoft is a troll. They have been registered for nearly a year here on AW and have made about 3 dozen posts.
My take is that Microsoft is in earnest in their inquiry. Unfortunately, they aren't pleased with the responses they are receiving.
Buying userids was discussed at various times a couple of years back on Q&A. The discussion then ran pretty much along the lines of this topic although folks wondering if they could buy a userid weren't looking for one with such a high feedback rating.
Those discussions may have prompted the eBay stricture that TheDewey first cited.
posted on December 6, 2000 10:36:09 AM new
I believe my id is my intellectual property and I shold have the right to sell it to whomever and whenever I want.
If ebay would want to intefere in that sale somehow, we would have to make a date with the man in the cape.
