sgtmike
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posted on December 12, 2000 12:48:25 PM new
amy
"If you want exact postage to be charged ask the seller first…
That has been part of the discussion. The gripe is that some sellers are charging excessive postage.
If the seller is charging for labor, material, handling, gas to drive to the post office, electricity, etc., then the seller needs to specify that the shipping cost is not just the postage, but includes all of the above. 
Unless indicated in the ad, the generally accepted definition of shipping cost by most buyers is what will the postage cost be.
If you are going to charge me for overhead other than postage cost, say so in the ad or when I email you for shipping (postage)cost before I bid.
[ edited by sgtmike on Dec 12, 2000 12:54 PM ]
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Puddy
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posted on December 12, 2000 12:55:36 PM new
Hi All,
Just a quick FYI. UPS covers the first 100.00. Then it's something like .35 (cents) for each additional 100.00 in declared value. I ship with UPS on the big items. Also good a good thing to do when shipping Ups is to have some photos of how you packaged it. It really helps with getting a claim done faster. They consider it added documentaion to support your claim.
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Zazzie
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posted on December 12, 2000 12:58:02 PM new
shipping is "The Cost to get something from point A to point B"---cost may include more than just postage
Postage is what I pay the post office on it's way to Point B
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krs
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:08:17 PM new
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sgtmike
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:16:00 PM new
Recommended information to insert in ad.
"Your cost from point "A" to point "B" is $xxx. Postage for the post office to point "B" is $xxxx.xx"
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krs
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:18:12 PM new
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Zazzie
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:31:02 PM new
I already do that.
Shipping is $X.XX and I click the FIXED SHIPPING button on EBAY
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Zazzie
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:31:48 PM new
krs----you seem to be having a good Happy Face day
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reddeer
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:37:02 PM new
Unless indicated in the ad, the generally accepted definition of shipping cost by most buyers is what will the postage cost be.
edited to further derail this thread
[ edited by reddeer on Dec 12, 2000 02:44 PM ]
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:48:27 PM new
Based on how often this topic comes up, I'd venture to say there is no generally accepted definition of "shipping cost", although it does appear that there are several (at least) generally assumed definitions.
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krs
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:53:25 PM new
That's rIdiculous.
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krs
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:54:26 PM new
looks more right as ridiculous
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krs
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:55:09 PM new
certainly not rediculous.
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Zazzie
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:56:47 PM new
hey KRS--
I think REDeer knows that REDiculous was misspelled
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krs
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:56:48 PM new
but ridiculous all the same.
So what's new, Neil....shouldn't you be asleep/hibernating?
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Shoshanah
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posted on December 12, 2000 01:59:05 PM new
********************
Gosh Shosh!
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/rifkah/
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RB
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posted on December 12, 2000 02:02:08 PM new
Amy ... you're sorta right It does seem like "much ado about nothing", however everytime this issue is brought up, it tends to bring out some very strong emotions. I won't post mine here - long time readers already know how I feel about this!
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krs
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posted on December 12, 2000 02:02:49 PM new
Hi Shosh!,
Listen, this is an aside, but I hardly ever can catch you anywhere so this is as good a place as any to give you a link,so just for you.....http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3750/bush.htm.
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Shoshanah
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posted on December 12, 2000 02:08:59 PM new
Not only would Bush be an illegitimate president,...
But he would also be a Momzer.....
Back to the fight for equal opportunity shipping....
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Gosh Shosh!
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/rifkah/
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reddeer
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posted on December 12, 2000 02:31:18 PM new
Thanks Ken!
[ edited by reddeer on Dec 12, 2000 02:45 PM ]
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Zazzie
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posted on December 12, 2000 02:33:15 PM new
Ah Redeer---I thought you were being witty---and now I find out you were just being dumb......
I'm crushed !!!!
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msstone
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posted on December 12, 2000 02:38:02 PM new
Basic Business 101. Shipping and Handling does not just include postage. It includes I.Packaging:
a.the cost of materials to package merchandise.
II Overhead:
a.the cost of someone to package
b.time and cost of doing the invoicing
c.taking the package to be shipped if it is not picked up.
III. Postage
a. Insurance
b.weight
c. type of postage
d. Location to be sent to.
If the S/h is not stated plainly in the TOS then don't bid.
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reddeer
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posted on December 12, 2000 02:43:33 PM new
Zazzie ....... What, you just figured that out? What kind of Diva are you?
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cdnbooks
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posted on December 12, 2000 02:48:38 PM new
I think she has graduated to 'dancing diva'
Bill
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joice
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posted on December 12, 2000 03:31:10 PM new
Hello Everyone,
It would seem this subject is being taken off topic purposely. The subject of shipping comes up regularly and new Users find the discussions helpful.
Please do not disrupt this thread further.
Joice
Moderator.
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amy
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posted on December 12, 2000 03:31:51 PM new
Mike, why beat your head against the wall? You aren't going to change things no matter how much you bi*ch, moan and complain about it. Some sellers will charge exact postage only, others will charge less and others will add other shipping costs to the postage.
It's a fight you can't win..a situation you can't mold to your definition. Best thing is to find a fight you can win
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dman3
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posted on December 12, 2000 04:15:32 PM new
Keep in mind when discussing shipping for online auctions that insurance and delivery confirmation if sellers use online payment services are no longer an option they are a must for any type of protection for the buyer and the seller.
All my shipping rates Now Include insurance and DC I do not give a choice any longer in order to offer paypal pay direct exchange path ballpoint bid pay and other options it is a must.
I also as part of shipping is a small Charge for custom packaging in every listing I have put up since December 1 this is stated clearly if you use any online payment services you better read there terms all require packages to be traceable online.
In Order to save much time and money in the case of lost packages the seller can refund wait the time out and collect the insurance claim so neither side loses in case of damage the seller can mail the insurance receipt to the buyer who can take the damage all to the PO if its under $50 for a instant refund. The seller can ask for a picture as proof of damage and save the return postage.
Postage buy the way is not an excessive unsolicited cost it is a fee the bid agrees to when they place a bid. Custom packaging as well is not cheap it cost me up words of $500 every three months for packaging related items to ship my items.
I have 20 year experience in custom packaging and I can tell you for sure my time is worth and effort packing and making custom boxes and packing is worth more then nothing in fact costs can run from $6 to $2000 depending on what’s being packed people where I work make from $9 to $15 per hour to do the packaging I think the extra $0.25 to $1 I might make from packing an Auction item is very reasonable and some time don’t even pay for materials and the fact that a buyer don’t care about what it cost me to do these things makes no different it costs and these cost must be paid and not out of the some times under .50 to $2 profit I make on each sale.
No amount of Attitude will change the cost of buying, selling or shipping.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
[ edited by dman3 on Dec 12, 2000 04:18 PM ]
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bubba346
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posted on December 12, 2000 04:35:24 PM new
When I am buying and a seller does not state shipping costs, I email them and ask what the cost is. If it is a fragile item and I know the cost is more than actual postal costs, I do not mind paying the extra as long as my item is packed properly with bubble wrap etc. I always send email with plenty of time allowed before the end of the auction to give the buyer time to respond. As a seller, I always put the actual shipping amount in my auction as I find that leaves to excuse for buyer remorse.
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koto1
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posted on December 12, 2000 08:46:10 PM new
sgtmike -
I agree with you...I've never heard of, nor experienced, a seller forcing insurance upon me when it is not stated in the auction.
I think the included insurance for UPS is for up to $100.00 value.
"Who's tending the bar? Sniping works up a thirst"
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