posted on December 30, 2006 12:46:51 PM new
No, coincoach...you are INCORRECT.
There is NOT agreement on global warming NOR on whether humans have ANYTHING to do with it....but rather it's the cycle that has ALWAYS existed.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on December 30, 2006 12:50:52 PM new "The fact is we can produce opinions from scientists on both sides of this issue, though the VAST majority support the opinion that global warming is a serious and mostly man-made problem. It would be foolish to completely ignore these warnings. Keeping our heads in the sand could produce very dire consequences. If we do something about the problem and later discover they are wrong, we've wasted money and manpower. If they are right and we ignore them, it could eventually lead to disasters of unimaginable magnitude.
posted on December 30, 2006 12:51:02 PM new
I agree, Coincoach, and anyone who, like linduh and duhsquirrel, thinks that pollution doesn't affect the earth and that more pollution affects the earth more...is probably still afraid of fire and amazed at the wheel..
posted on December 30, 2006 01:03:23 PM new
LOL....oh well then THAT changes everything.
IF some agree with coincoach...screw what SCIENTISTS are saying.
Don't bother to read that some scientists believe that FIVE YEARS AGO we started re-entering a COOLING global climate. lol lol
Don't bother to read anything about how the nations that did sign the koyoto agreement/treaty are fairing either.
Don't EVER worry what absolute HAVOC going along with this UNPROVEN nonsense would have on our economy...while the other major nations in the world don't change a thing they're doing.
It's nothing but HYSTERIA from the liberal MEDIA and radical ECO-wackos agendas.
UNTIL anyone can ABSOLUTELY PROVE this....we should not spend one CENT on changing what CANNOT be changed....the NORMAL cycle of nature.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
There is NOT agreement on global warming NOR on whether humans have ANYTHING to do with it....but rather it's the cycle that has ALWAYS existed.
WRONG...If you read the facts that I posted on page 2 you will see that with increasing world population and increasing number of motor vehicles, levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have increased
How do you explain the increase beyond that which would be expected over that period of time without taking into consideration the human contribution. You can't.
posted on December 30, 2006 01:15:35 PM new
Here is another quote from Linda's idol. It is no wonder why Linda takes the view global warming does not exist.
RAPE THE PLANET! IT'S YOURS! GOD SAYS SO!
This is an oldy but a goody. It's been quoted by other sites, but I'll include a bit more context as an added bonus. This is from a series of video clips from FOX HANNITY & COLMES, shown on June 22, 2001. (Which show the original clip was from, I can't tell.)
COULTER: I take the biblical idea. God gave us the earth.
PETER FENN (Democratic strategist): Oh, OK.
COULTER: We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees.
FENN: This is a great idea.
COULTER: God says, "Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours."
FENN: Terrific. We're Americans, so we should consume as much of the earth's resources...
COULTER: Yes! Yes.
FENN: ... as fast as we possibly can.
COULTER: As opposed to living like the Indians.
So Jesus advocated strip mining, ozone depletion, toxic waste spills, and polluted waterways. Who knew?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 30, 2006 01:26:06 PM new
Linda--Maybe you should re-read my post. I said there are opinions on both sides of the subject. I did not say there was agreement.
posted on December 30, 2006 01:28:53 PM new
However, the vast majority of reputable climatologists believe there is global warming and it is mostly man made.
posted on December 30, 2006 01:37:03 PM new
coincoach,
Keep you your good work. Liar_k gets beat up every time she shows up here.
In the last several months almost everything Liar_k has said has turned to be false. Day after day I find myself laughing at her worn out left behind new-con words.
posted on December 30, 2006 02:13:32 PM newAccording to logansdads opening post to this thread.....he states that the President is 'flip-flopping' on his position.
Linda it is you that need to go back and re-take reading comprehension 101.
The first link says: President Bush dismissed on Tuesday a report put out by his administration warning that human activities are behind climate change that is having significant effects on the environment.
The second article states that the Bush has finally admitted that global warming is a problem of greenhouse gases caused man made emissions only as a result of the lawsuit settlement. It is said that the only way Bush will admit to something is when he forced to admit to problems. This is very similar to how he has handled the situation in Iraq.
In a report sent to Congress at the end of August, government scientists argued that the warming of the atmosphere in recent decades cannot be explained by natural causes but must include such human sources as energy consumption and deforestation. It's a conclusion that a consensus of the world's climatologists reached years ago but that Bush has ignored throughout his presidency.
When the New York Times quizzed Bush about why his scientists had shifted their positions on what caused global warming, he appeared entirely ignorant that they had. "I don't think we did," he said. When tipped off to the paper's coverage of the report, he added: "Oh, OK, well, that's got to be true." Maybe he really doesn't read the newspapers. His aides then assured reporters that, no, this report wouldn't signal any change in his policies around climate change.
Then, here we have Bush reversing on one of his campaign promises.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on December 30, 2006 02:21:10 PM newWRONG...If you read the facts that I posted on page 2 you will see that with increasing world population and increasing number of motor vehicles, levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have increased
So you were around 500 years ago to take those measurements?
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
posted on December 30, 2006 02:35:25 PM new
Uh, bear...500 years ago there was a MUCH smaller earth population and NO automobiles or other gas burning engines....did you know that?????
posted on December 30, 2006 02:57:39 PM new
And, carbon dioxide concentrations can be measured in ancient air bubbles preserved in sequences of cores drilled into the Antarctic ice sheet.
posted on December 31, 2006 11:59:31 AM new
It is just hilarious to listen to the whack packers carry on about Bush and the enviornment when every year the water and air in the US gets cleaner and cleaner and most of the world is a cesspool.
Helen and the gang should make up signs and camp outside the UN until the burning of millions of acres of rainforest in South America and Africa stops, until those factories in Eastern Europe and China stop belching millions of metric tons of waste and until they have some kind of auto regs to pull those smoking 2 cycle vehicles off the road.
posted on December 31, 2006 01:18:26 PM new
While I agree that developing nations shouldn't get a free ride to pollute just because they're "developing" and "can't afford" clean technologies, the U.S. remains, by a huge margin, the world's biggest polluter. WE should be leading the way, not looking for excuses.
posted on December 31, 2006 01:25:27 PM new Helen and the gang should make up signs and camp outside the UN until the burning of millions of acres of rainforest in South America and Africa stops, until those factories in Eastern Europe and China stop belching millions of metric tons of waste and until they have some kind of auto regs to pull those smoking 2 cycle vehicles off the road.
Guess what? It ain't gonna happen.
Are you suggesting that since factories in China may be failing to observe laws designed to limit environmental polution, that we should say to hell with it all too and join them in the race for the most polluted cities in the world?
posted on December 31, 2006 02:02:43 PM new
Squirrel, trust me on this. It's you who appears confused and laughable...You leap from a position of not recognizing the problem to blaming the rest of the world for the problem. Stop trying to be a smart ass and consider the meaning of your response.
We should set an example for the rest of the world as Profe indicated.
posted on December 31, 2006 05:19:30 PM newIn this "race" you imagine, we are running in the wrong direction.
It is no wonder why the Republicans lost the "last race", they followed desquirrel and ran in the wrong direction. That direction must have been up a tree to store their nuts for the next four years.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on January 1, 2007 12:18:58 AM new
It absolutely amazes me how the collection whack packers can cluck cluck and deny a fact exists. Instead of inventing things I don't say (like warming doesn't exist) why not answer the questions. Such as:
1)US air and water quality is improving steadily and according to a Russian study, a significant amount of atmospheric warming comes from the reduced particulates in the air allowing more sunlight to put more water vapor from the oceans into the air. Whack pack math says we should start pumping out soot.
2) If our plants are 100X more eco friendly how do we "set a better example"? I think those people in Romania and China that live 10 miles from factories in areas completely covered by soot where NOTHING is alive but people already know that. No matter how you slice it, it is still moron math to make 500 plants .1% cleaner than it is to clean up a factory that is 1000x dirtier.
As a coincidence, Nova this week focuses on industry in China. I saw the previews for it. It's too bad this isn't on the networks during prime time. You'd never hear the word "Kyoto" again without people bursting out laughing.
I'm surprised Peepa isn't withdrawing from the whack pack over this. Imagine laying off American and giving the jobs to those (literally) "dirty" foreigners.
posted on January 1, 2007 06:51:17 AM new
desquirrel
I am very happy that in 2007 the Democrats will put most of your views on issues in a dumpster.
The point is Bushy is up to his neck in Bull Roar and blunders of his own making. He has no choice but to flip flop. I'm sure Bushy does not like to admit he was wrong but that's reality.
Soon Bushy will start paying for his crimes and blunders. The question is when will the investigations start about Bushy's crimes and blunders before or after he leaves office.
Happy New Year. It's going to be a very good year for the majority of Americans.
posted on January 1, 2007 08:46:43 AM new
This is from the EPA website:
As with any field of scientific study, there are uncertainties associated with the science of climate change. This does not imply that scientists do not have confidence in many aspects of climate science. Some aspects of the science are known with virtual certainty, because they are based on well-known physical laws and documented trends. Current understanding of many other aspects of climate change ranges from “likely” to “uncertain.”
What's Known
Scientists know with virtual certainty that:
Human activities are changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Increasing levels of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times are well-documented and understood.
The atmospheric buildup of CO2 and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels.
A warming trend of about 0.7 to 1.5°F occurred during the 20th century. Warming occurred in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, and over the oceans (NRC, 2001).
The major greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries. It is therefore virtually certain that atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases will continue to rise over the next few decades.
Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations tend to warm the planet.
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What's Likely?
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has stated "There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities" (IPCC, 2001). In short, a number of scientific analyses indicate, but cannot prove, that rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are contributing to climate change (as theory predicts). In the coming decades, scientists anticipate that as atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases continue to rise, average global temperatures and sea levels will continue to rise as a result and precipitation patterns will change.
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What's Not Certain?
Important scientific questions remain about how much warming will occur, how fast it will occur, and how the warming will affect the rest of the climate system including precipitation patterns and storms. Answering these questions will require advances in scientific knowledge in a number of areas:
Improving understanding of natural climatic variations, changes in the sun's energy, land-use changes, the warming or cooling effects of pollutant aerosols, and the impacts of changing humidity and cloud cover.
Determining the relative contribution to climate change of human activities and natural causes.
Projecting future greenhouse emissions and how the climate system will respond within a narrow range.
Improving understanding of the potential for rapid or abrupt climate change.
Addressing these and other areas of scientific uncertainty is a major priority of the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP). The CCSP is developing twenty-one Synthesis and Assessment products to advance scientific understanding of these uncertainty areas by the end of 2008
We can play dueling studies, but the fact is the VAST majority of experts believe that global warming/climate changes are a fact. Could the majority be wrong? Unlikely, but possible. If 100 meteorologist tell me a tornado is coming my way and 10 meteorologists tell me no it is not, excuse me while I hide in my tornado shelter.
posted on January 1, 2007 09:17:28 AM new
After that big ice shelf broke loose recently, I noticed for the first time researchers have begun to use the term "accelerated change". Oh boy.....
posted on January 1, 2007 10:23:00 AM new
Oh boy is right, Profe. This is serious stuff and I can't imagine why anyone would want to completely ignore these signs.
posted on January 1, 2007 10:47:31 AM new
It's all in the interest of corporate greed to ignore efforts to clean up the environment. The posters that you see here ignoring the reality of global warming and following the conservative talking points are just uninformed, followers.
posted on January 1, 2007 11:02:29 AM new
Helen, You are so right. Not only are they uninformed, they are uninformable,if there is such a word. So bent on being right and being right-leaning, that they can't see the forest for the trees---no pun intended!
