posted on January 20, 2007 11:10:48 AM
there are many variations of pedophilia ~ it does NOT just refer to pre-pubescent children.
The 'liking them young' group also has 'members' who enjoy the innocence and inexperience of their young adult victims who have contrasting sexually matured bodies.
Pedophiles are both heterosexual and homosexual (even bisexual and transexual, if you want to go there).
Some are attracted to 2 year old, some go for 8 year olds. Some like them 10 and are attracted to 17 year olds.
All are sick.
posted on January 20, 2007 03:46:12 PM
Hi Zoomin - I totally agree all are very sick.
But just as we have seen in the last couple of years with all these teachers having sex with their teenaged students...they [the teachers] are NOT being referred to as pedophiles.
This, imo, is no different than the foley case. These are teenagers many of whom are/have been sexually active already. They are not young, unaware sexually, children.
posted on January 20, 2007 04:04:25 PM
'waco'peepa says:
"Your a proven LIAR and a misleader you have proved your sick LIAR AND MISLEADING WAYS hundreds of times. Remember I am not the first person to call you liar_K."
I think you just aren't aware of what the word actually means.
And I have NEVER been proven to be a liar. And you can't back up that statement either.
I do remember you as being the FIRST to call me a liar....although you've NEVER been able to back up your lie.
"You were called LIAR_K on another board before getting banded from that board for your less than honest ways and mindset and posts."
On another board??? LOL LOL LOL Would that be the same board that was using YOUR calling me a liar....to PROVE YOU believed I was a liar????
What a childish game. You using them...but giving no examples...them using you but never being able to point out ONE lie I've ever made.
posted on January 20, 2007 04:19:18 PM
Over and over and over again linduh defends having sex with children and then agrees with me...she is "" very sick."
I'm glad she finally realizes she has a problem.
Just because a child is physically mature it doesn't mean they are mature enough to have a sexual realtionship. Laws are in place to protect children...something linduh obviously doesn't agree with....
posted on January 20, 2007 04:29:35 PM
So I guess you're moving there as soon as possible and buying a house near the high school ???
[ edited by mingotree on Jan 20, 2007 04:30 PM ]
posted on January 20, 2007 04:44:06 PM
Behavior linduh approves of:
Rep. Foley Quits In Page Scandal
Explicit Online Notes Sent to Boy, 16
By Charles Babington and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, September 30, 2006; Page A01
Six-term Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) resigned yesterday amid reports that he had sent sexually explicit Internet messages to at least one underage male former page.
Foley, who was considered likely to win reelection this fall, said in a three-sentence letter of resignation: "I am deeply sorry and I apologize for letting down my family and the people of Florida I have had the privilege to represent."
Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) said the five messages he sent to a former congressional page were harmless. (Ray Lustig - Ray Lustig -- The Washington Post)
The resignation rocked the Capitol, and especially Foley's GOP colleagues, as lawmakers were rushing to adjourn for at least six weeks. House Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Washington Post last night that he had learned this spring of inappropriate "contact" between Foley and a 16-year-old page. Boehner said he then told House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.). Boehner later contacted The Post and said he could not remember whether he talked to Hastert.
It was not immediately clear what actions Hastert took. His spokesman had said earlier that the speaker did not know of the sexually charged online exchanges between Foley and the boy.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) took the House floor last night to demand an investigation into the Foley matter. But Boehner headed her off, calling on the House to refer the matter to the ethics committee, which the House promptly voted unanimously to do.
The news of Foley's resignation overshadowed an afternoon Republican ceremony hailing a military commissions bill, and it gave Democrats sudden hopes of winning the Palm Beach-based 16th District. Many lawmakers think Democrats are on the verge of winning control of the House in November, """
posted on January 20, 2007 04:54:19 PM
Can't speak for myself? What the hell are you talking about?
And linduh you can deny your approval of having sex with children but all anyone has to do is read the posts on this thread where you keep insisting as soon as children reach "puberity"(linduh's spelling)they can start having sex with adults...
it's there to read....
"""Not a thought that ever even entered my mind, mingo.
But it sure appears to be in yours often""
Now YOU are a MIND reader...how extaordinary! you outta be on TV!
posted on January 21, 2007 11:14:45 AMIn Washington DC...the AGE OF CONSENT IS 16.
And what does that prove? Does Linda know for a fact that the two people involved were actually in DC at the time of occurrence?
Was Linda there when it ocurred?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on January 21, 2007 02:13:14 PM
You guys just REFUSE to accept that foley was just ANOTHER gay man.
And for those who don't have all their facts down straight....why not try reading about the whole thing yourself. You are adults aren't you?
Maybe you can show what state he was in as he sent all those emails to all those pages over the 11 YEARS it's been reported he was doing so.
The different info....says he often approached, had sex with some of them, AFTER they were 18 -21.
Me pointing out that the age of consent in DC is 16 only means he wasn't breaking any law. Moral and ethic codes - yes, for sure. But breaking those same moral and ethic codes sure didn't bother you when your president was breaking them also. Again, it's your double standard.
posted on January 21, 2007 02:18:07 PM
mingo asks ALL CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT SHE JUST TYPED.....
"Can't speak for myself? What the hell are you talking about?"
This is where you were speaking FOR me....those aren't my words nor something I've EVER said. You WERE speaking FOR me....and what I approve of....when I don't.
"Behavior linduh approves of: Rep. Foley Quits In Page Scandal"......
Try to lay off the bottle....might help keep your mind more clear.
edited to add:
""""Not a thought that ever even entered my mind, mingo." "But it sure appears to be in yours often"" I said.
mingo said: "Now YOU are a MIND reader...how extaordinary! you outta be on TV!"
No ....try and THINK....you are the one who continually brings up statements I've never said NOR even thought. Not I.
They're YOUR thoughts/beliefs...from YOUR OWN twisted MIND.
So there's no need to read your mind...I read your posts. It's there for all to see.
This is the kind of garbage YOU'RE always MAKING UP...YOUR fantasy...nothing I've ever said. It's ALL in YOUR delusional mind.
mingo said: "So I guess you're moving there as soon as possible and buying a house near the high school ???
[ edited by mingotree on Jan 20, 2007 04:30 PM ]
Linda_K
posted on January 20, 2007 04:43:55 PM edit
"Not a thought that ever even entered my mind, mingo. But it sure appears to be in yours often. That's your problem.....your sad reality....not mine."
posted on January 21, 2007 02:48:15 PM
linduh, all anyone has to do is read back through this thread and they can see for themselves YOUR SUPPORT of sex with children.
linduh, you keep saying I'm making things up but you have NEVER stated exactly WHAT it is that I'm making up ...that's very odd...(or clever???)
Why, if Foley committed no crime, was it covered up?
Why is he not STILL in congress?
Why did he say drink was at fault?
Why did he admit it??
Clinton had sex with an ADULT.
While some consider that immoral, having, or attempting to have, sex with underage children IS a CRIME....whether YOU think so or not!
posted on January 21, 2007 03:54:45 PM
I'll say it ONCE AGAIN....whether it is a CRIME or not is determined on WHERE it took place.
In D.C. back in the '80's a congressman had an AFFAIR with a young PAGE. They BOTH stood on the capitol grounds and announced their sexual relationship was MUTUAL. He continued to serve quite a few more terms in office. HE was never arrested...they gave him a slap on the hand and he served UNTIL he RETIRED.
The reason was the consentual age in D.C. is 16.
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One the rest of your crap, mingo....you are STILL delustional and making FALSE statements about my position on SEVERAL things.
If you'd like....I could start returning the same your way.....but I won't LOWER myself to your pathetic level of immaturity. Or insanity...whichever the case truly is.
posted on January 21, 2007 04:08:42 PM
linduh, all anyone has to do is read back through this thread and they can see for themselves YOUR SUPPORT of sex with children.
linduh, you keep saying I'm making things up but you have NEVER stated exactly WHAT it is that I'm making up ...that's very odd...(or clever???)
Why, if Foley committed no crime, was it covered up?
Why is he not STILL in congress?
Why did he say drink was at fault?
Why did he admit it??
Clinton had sex with an ADULT.
While some consider that immoral, having, or attempting to have, sex with underage children IS a CRIME....whether YOU think so or not!
as I've said at LEAST twice now.....foley hasn't been charged with any CRIME.
he is NOT accused of 'having sex' with these pages....but rather EMAILING them with sexual contents.
clinton didn't break any laws EITHER....but he ALSO showed HIS OWN lack of character - his OWN UNETHICAL behavior - his OWN immoral, inappropriate behaviors....over and over again IN the WHITE HOUSE....using his power to have gov. EMPLOYEES BROUGHT to him so they could suck him off. That's that MORAL nor ETHICAL either.
NO amount of excuses will prove clinton is any different than foley is. They just prefer different sexes.
posted on January 24, 2007 11:24:39 AM
FBI Faulted for Inaction in Foley Scandal
Justice IG Also Says Officials Misled Media About Group That Provided Messages
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 23, 2007; Page A04
The FBI should have acted last summer to protect underage congressional pages after it was given "troubling" electronic messages sent by then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.), according to a report released yesterday.
The review by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine also found that FBI and Justice officials misled the news media last fall when they asserted that an activist group that first provided the FBI with Foley's messages had not been cooperative and had withheld vital information from investigators.
In fact, Fine's report found that the group -- Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington, or CREW -- had notified the FBI within days of obtaining the electronic communications in July. But the FBI never asked for additional information from the group and never sought to interview the former page in Louisiana who received the messages from Foley, the report said.
The 31-page report provides additional evidence that government and legislative officials took little action in response to growing complaints about Foley's conduct with underage male pages. It also shows how officials frequently attempted to minimize their roles in the affair after the communications were publicized and Foley resigned.
"We believe that the e-mails provided enough troubling indications on their face, particularly given the position of trust and authority that Foley held with respect to House pages, that a better practice for the FBI would have been to take at least some follow-up steps," the report concluded. It added later: "[E]ven if the FBI did not believe any interviews were warranted based upon the e-mails alone, we believe the FBI should have considered taking some steps to ensure that any minors in the Congressional page program were not at risk of predatory behavior by Foley."
Follow-up steps could have included interviewing the male page who received the electronic messages or notifying House leaders about the communications, the report said.
Foley resigned from the House in September after ABC News reported on the same communications given to the FBI, in which Foley praises the physical attributes of one page and asks another for his picture. The ensuing scandal was widely seen as a significant factor in the defeat of some Republicans in the November elections.
Both the FBI and the state of Florida have opened criminal investigations of Foley. In December, the House ethics committee concluded that House leaders and staff members knew for months or even years about Foley's inappropriate conduct, but the panel declined to recommend any disciplinary action.
The FBI's criminal probe appears to be ongoing. One 22-year-old former page who allegedly received explicit messages from Foley said in an interview yesterday that the FBI had most recently questioned him the week before Christmas. He said the agent was focused on determining his age at the time of the electronic exchanges with Foley and confirming other details.
Shortly after the Foley scandal broke, CREW publicly disclosed that it had provided the FBI with suspicious messages from Foley in July and criticized the bureau for not moving more aggressively in the case.
Several officials at the FBI and Justice Department -- all of whom requested anonymity at the time -- responded by telling reporters that the messages supplied by CREW had been "heavily redacted" and that the group had refused to provide further information.
Fine's review found, however, that the only thing removed from the messages was the identity of the person to whom the communications had been forwarded, and that the "redactions in the e-mail did not factor into the FBI's decision to decline to investigate the matter." Fine's office also found that a chronology prepared by the FBI's Washington Field Office contained inaccuracies that were likely repeated to the press.
CREW's executive director, Melanie Sloan, said in a statement that "not only did the FBI fail to investigate the possible sexual abuse of minors by a sitting member of Congress, the bureau then tried to cover up its shocking inaction by blaming CREW."
Justice Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse referred questions about the report to the FBI. The FBI, in a prepared statement, attributed the erroneous statements about CREW to "inaccurate information" that led to "misunderstandings on the part of FBI and DOJ spokespersons."
The supervisory special agent who looked into the Foley messages said there was no evidence a crime had occurred and that the messages were "not the job of the FBI" but "a parental job."
"We are not the ethics police," the unidentified agent said later in the report.
One point of disagreement not answered in the report is whether Sloan was asked by an FBI agent to identify the person who provided the group with the messages. The FBI agent said she "may have" asked Sloan that question, but that she was not sure; Sloan has said since October that she was asked only whether the author of the communications was Foley.
Staff writer Elizabeth Williamson contributed to this report.
posted on January 25, 2007 03:01:48 PM
Another GAY?? senator accused of 'touching' another page.
tsk tsk tsk
S.D. Teen Accuses Senator of Fondling
Jan 25 5:11 PM US/Eastern
By CHET BROKAW
Associated Press Writer
PIERRE, S.D. (AP) -- A Statehouse scandal in which a lawmaker is accused of fondling a page has transfixed South Dakota, with many people following the case on TV and the Web as if it were a Hollywood reality show.
Sen. Dan Sutton, 36, is accused of groping the young man last year while the two shared a motel room at the start of the youth's weeklong stint in the Legislature. The young man was 18 at the time.
The South Dakota attorney general and other law enforcement agents investigated the allegations and made no arrests. But a Senate committee accused Sutton of sexual misconduct and planned to wrap up investigative hearings Thursday.
Austin Wiese, now 19, testified that Sutton, a longtime personal and family friend, touched his genitals through his shorts as the two slept in a king-size bed last February.
"He laid his hand on my stomach for 30 seconds and I was just shaking. He moved his hand down," said Wiese, now a college student. He said he jumped out of bed, pretended to have a cell phone call and fled the room.
While it is The Associated Press' policy not to identify people who say they are victims of sexual assault, Wiese's name was used in the public hearing, which was carried live on the Internet, and has been circulated by other media in the state.
Sutton has denied fondling the young man but acknowledged that he might have shifted in the bed and inadvertently touched him.
"I didn't do what Austin is claiming that I did," Sutton testified. "I loved Austin like a son, a son that I never had."
The nine members of the panel will make a recommendation next week to the full Senate, which will decide what, if any, action to take.
Lawmakers could censure, discipline or expel Sutton.
Nearly every TV station in the state has covered the hearings, and South Dakota Public Broadcasting has offered live audio on its Web site. The state's largest newspaper, the Argus Leader of Sioux Falls, posted frequent online updates from the hearing room.
Sioux Falls TV station KELO has run live video from the hearings on its Web site.
News Director Mark Millage said 750 viewers can log on at any one time, and people have complained because the link is maxed out.
"It's a soap opera. There's no question about that," Millage said.
David J. Law of radio station KWAT in Watertown said his call-in show Thursday drew many comments on the Sutton hearings. And callers seemed to know a lot of details, indicating they are listening live or reading news accounts, he said.
In a state with a population of only 750,000 people, the story is a tangled web involving people with political, business and family connections stretching back for decades. The Sutton and Wiese families have been friends for years.
Asked why the young man might have made up the allegations, the senator suggested that they might be tied to the page's father, Dennis Wiese, who unsuccessfully sought the Democratic nomination for governor last year.
Sutton, also a Democrat, said the elder Wiese might have wanted to get make sure he did not enter the race. Or, he said, the allegations might be connected to a troubled business venture in which a development corporation led by Sutton lent money to the business led by Wiese.
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posted on January 25, 2007 04:14:23 PM
Since I never have said ANY such thing...it's again ...all in your TWISTED mind, mingo. Your thoughts...and the sad way your mind processes what you read/hear.
posted on January 25, 2007 06:31:24 PM
The FEDERAL legal age of consent is 18. It does not matter where Foley or the young boys who received these e-mails live, nor what the age of consent in that state is.
Federal laws apply whether or not the communications cross state boundaries, since an interstate device (the Internet) is involved. In itself, it triggers Federal jurisdiction. This also applies for phones and postal activities.
posted on January 26, 2007 05:11:59 PM
Sutton: Nothing Wrong With Sharing Bed With Page
By: CHET BROKAW
Associated Press Writer
PIERRE -- A state senator accused of sexually groping a male legislative page last February testified Wednesday night that he saw nothing wrong with sharing a motel bed with the lad.
Dan Sutton, D-Flandreau, is the subject of a special state Senate inquiry into an allegation that he fondled Austin Wiese, 19, now a college student.
"I didn't do what Austin is claiming that I did," Sutton told a lawyer hired by the Senate to grill him.
"I loved Austin like a son, a son that I never had," Sutton added.
Sutton said Wiese made it up -- possibly related to his father's political ambitions or a failed business venture. Wiese's father, Dennis Wiese, lost the Democratic nomination for governor last year.
Asked by a lawyer for the state Senate why Wiese would have made up such a story, Sutton said, "That's an answer for this committee to decide."
Wiese had told the special committee on Tuesday that his genitals were touched by Sutton on the motel room's king-size bed. The incident allegedly took place as Wiese was starting a stint as a page for the Legislature.
Sutton testified his family and the Wiese family had been good friends for years. The senator said he helped Austin Wiese, Austin's cousin Anna Wiese and another youth become pages for a week during the 2006 lawmaking session.
Under stern questioning from James McMahon, the Senate lawyer, Sutton said that after talking with Wiese's parents, he agreed Austin Wiese could stay with him at the Holiday Inn Express in Fort Pierre.
Sutton said he told Wiese there was a bed and a hide-a-bed in the room.
On Feb. 5, Wiese had climbed into the bed after the two watched the Super Bowl and worked out, Sutton testified. Under intense questioning by McMahon, Sutton said he did not pull out the hide-a-bed for Wiese because he was already asleep.
Asked whether he thought it was appropriate to climb into bed with his legislative page, Sutton responded that Wiese "was like a nephew or a son to me and my wife. I had no concern."
Sutton, 36, was married in 2004. He had not earlier spoken publicly about the allegation.
Asked directly Wednesday if he groped Wiese, Sutton responded several times: "I didn't do anything."
Sutton, who is in the insurance business, said he was shocked when Wiese called him on the phone and made the allegation.
"I was stunned in disbelief," Sutton said. "All that was going through my mind was ... my wife, my family, my career."
The conversation was taped by a state criminal investigator. Legislators heard the tape Tuesday during the first day's hearing into the allegation.
Sutton said he has befriended many young people over the years, explaining that he was a substitute teacher for a while at Flandreau and many youngsters would hang out at his home. He said many of those students, including Austin, were in Roman Catholic religion classes that he taught.
Sutton said he didn't give it a second thought when he got into the motel bed with Wiese. The senator said he had a bout of diarrhea that night and slept fitfully. He insisted nothing untoward took place with Wiese.
"I don't remember, and I don't know what he's talking about," Sutton said. "I don't know what I did."
The senator has refused to talk about Wiese's allegation with criminal investigators, and the state attorney general has said only that he would not comment on an ongoing case.
While it is The Associated Press' policy not to identify people who say they are the victims of sexual assault, Wiese's name was used in the Senate committee's public hearing, which was carried live on the Internet, and has been circulated by other media in the state.
Asked by his lawyer if he ever thought about resigning, Sutton said, "I think about resigning every single day, several times every single day."
But he said he refuses to resign because 57 percent of the voters in his district returned him to office knowing about the allegations. He also said he owes it to his wife and family.
Earlier Wednesday, Brady Olson, 23, who went to high school in Flandreau and is a first-year teacher at Brandon, told the committee that he got a call in the middle of the night from Wiese, saying he'd been molested by Sutton. Olson said Wiese was scared when he started telling the story.
"It was bothering him and you could tell," Olson said.
Olson, who said Sutton is still his friend, testified that the 17-minute conversation started with small talk, but he said Wiese eventually said Sutton had fondled him.
"His tone changed, and he got kind of choked up, and that's when he started telling me what happened," Olson said.
Olson said he took notes during the call. Copies of Olson's the notes were given to legislators Wednesday.
Olson said he believes Wiese. "Austin has no reason to lie."
Mike Butler, a lawyer for Sutton, pressed Anna Wiese for answers at Wednesday's start of the second day of hearings.
The young woman said she could not recall if her cousin told her the specific area of the body that Sutton supposedly touched. She said she might have missed the reference, telling Butler it was "a very embarrassing situation."
She sobbed during her testimony before the committee, which is expected to recommend whether Sutton be disciplined or booted from the Senate.
Olson, who teaches sixth grade, also said he had notes from a conversation with another person who said he might have been molested by Sutton, too.
Patrick Duffy, another lawyer representing Sutton, pointedly quizzed Olson on a revelation that another person had told him about an alleged incident with the fourth-term senator.
Duffy said he believes the new allegation may involve only a dream, and it is a murky image at best. That allegation has been portrayed as a "dream or recovered memory that was seven-years-old," Duffy said.
"Is this person going to come in here and actually make this claim, this outrageous claim?" he asked Olson.
Olson said he did not know.
"We'll see," replied Duffy.
Sutton's lawyer added: "This is shockingly unreliable evidence." "When I talk to liberals, I don't expect them to understand my positions on various issues. I spend most of my time trying to help them understand their own." —Mike Adams
posted on April 9, 2007 11:46:58 AM
Please refer to the "" House Approves Page Program Reforms"" thread to read linduh's support of child molesting/stalking.
