posted on February 4, 2007 07:38:22 PM new
What I am saying is that you always post about my personal life...no matter the topic. LOVE getting down and dirty....LOVE swiming in your gutter/sewer.
And you don't know about how my life WAS or how it is now.
Put your CLAWS and FANGS away, they're so unattractive....and at least TRY to act like a decent human being. Even though you LOVE proving you're not.
posted on February 4, 2007 07:46:34 PM new
LOl coincoach.
Me wanting these few to be quarantined WHILE we don't know how to deal with this new strain...is NO different than it was in the '80's when we didn't KNOW what was causing hiv/aids.
As I said...had we quarantined them THEN....as many in the medical profession suggested be done....we could have prevent a ton of those deaths....all that suffering....and the continuing spread of it to the general public.
That's what the CDC does....works to prevent the spread of infectious disease.
Sounds to me like insulting me is easier for you to do than actually offering a solution of your own.
It also appears to me that you'd rather just let it spread. Let more lives be taken...let this new strain be passed to all in our society...just as it was in the '80's.
posted on February 4, 2007 08:05:29 PM new
LOL....that's not a solution to these gay men that are having anonymous sex with tons of other gay men....men they don't even know.
So...you haven't solved the problem at all.
Their actions are no better than murderers imo. They are spreading a deadly disease....and the liberals here all appear to condone it.
What they want to do is just fine.
how extremely sad. And exactly what happened back in the '80's that our society and all those all over the world have to deal with/pay for now.
posted on February 4, 2007 08:09:00 PM new
Coincoach, I have never had a relative or close friend with HIV so it hasn't touched me on a very personal level but I have been aware of those in different communities I lived in who have passed away because of it, some who were previous customers in shops that I had then. I remember that they always treated me well, held good jobs and were respected members of the community and no different than anyone else.
I've watched shows on the hospices that some are in and the care workers that they have and how dedicated they can be. We should all be thankful for those that care. Those that ridicule are usually quite ignorant.
and the liberals here all appear to condone it.
Only to you it would appear that way, Lindak because you haven't been able to comprehend what others have discussed here because you've chosen to use it as another platform to rant and judge others. With knowledge and some compassion for others the world will be a better place for all.
posted on February 4, 2007 08:32:11 PM new
I agree, Kiara. In the beginning, HIV patients were shunned by their families, friends, employers. I even knew of cases where hospital workers would refuse to bring in meals and left the trays at the door. This attitude still lingers with some people. Initially, patients did not know this disease was transmitted through unsafe sex. Once this was known, a very concerted effort was made by gay organizations to educate and promote practicing safe sex. This is the main reason why new cases slowed down tremendously. There are always a small percentage who do what they want despite the dangers--maybe denial, selfishness, who knows? Most of the gay patients I knew had monogamous relationships, though some were promiscuous. Many heterosexual patients were prosmiscuous too. That is the human condition. I'm rambling, but I guess my point is this: You cannot get HIV/AIDS if you educate yourself and practice safe sex. You cannot catch it on a toilet seat or in the subway. Even Cuba abandoned quarantining HIV patients. Find one HIV expert who thinks that is a viable answer.
posted on February 6, 2007 01:42:41 PM newLOL....that's not a solution to these gay men that are having anonymous sex with tons of other gay men....men they don't even know.
Yep your homophobia is defiitely showing through. Like it is only gay men that have anonymous sex. How many straight men cheat on their wives? How many straight men have sex prostitutes? How many people in your neck of the woods have sex with family memebers?
Your so called solution of quarantine will not work. You claim it will only effect 4-5 people. How do you know it is only 4-5 people that have this particular strain.
Just like with any other strain of HIV, there are people who contract it and do not show symptoms for years. Right now there could be more than the 4-5 people that have this new strain.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on February 6, 2007 03:11:36 PM new
That's right Logansdad. Not only can you be asymptomatic for many years, but even if you decided to have a screening for HIV, it may not be positive at first, depending on when you were exposed. It takes months sometimes to develope enough antibodies to have a positive HIV test (seroconversion.) How can you quarantine people when you don't even know if they are HIV+? Been trying to explain that for days. For what it is worth, I have met and/or befriended hundreds of gay men in the last 25 years and most of them were monogamous and in loving relationships. Of course some were promiscuous, just as there are promiscuous people in every walk of life.
posted on February 6, 2007 03:29:03 PM new
While you two continue pretending I don't know how hiv/aids is spread...LOL LOL LOL
You continue to ignore the point.
When aids first broke out in the US...in SF and NY....there were a HUGE amount of GAYS that were spreading the virus.
NOW so far ONLY gay men have, once again, been identified with this NEW STRAIN.
We didn't quarantine them back then....25 years ago....so the virus has CONTINUED to spread to everyone else.
The same thing IS going to happen with this NEW strain....
IF either of YOU know of ANY cases of this NEW STRAIN that has ALREADY entered the WHOLE SOCIETY...rather than just among gay men then PLEASE let us know. Because THIS is an exact REPEAT of how the virus FIRST was passed when it broke out in the US.
posted on February 6, 2007 07:13:12 PM newNOW so far ONLY gay men have, once again, been identified with this NEW STRAIN.
Big deal. Just because it has not been REPORTED yet in other groups DOES NOT MEAN OTHER GROUPS DO NOT HAVE IT. JUST BECAUSE OTHERS ARE NOT SHOWING SYMPTOMS DOESNT MEAN PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE IT AS IT WAS ALREADY POINTED OUT TO YOU. YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT IS NOT ALREADY SPREAD TO OTHER GROUPS.
The same thing IS going to happen with this NEW strain....
ONCE AGAIN LINDA HAS HER MAGIC CRYSTAL BALL THAT CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE.
If you are so worried about catching HIV, wear a condom and have you partner wear a condom. BETTER YET DON'T HAVE SEX. THIS WAY YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on February 6, 2007 07:30:12 PM new
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Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on February 6, 2007 08:12:09 PM new
Here are a few statistics from the Kaiser Family Foundation--HIV transmission patterns have shifted over time. Heterosexual transmission accounts for a growing proportion of newly diagnosed AIDS cases, rising from 3% in 1985 to 31% in 2005. Over that same period, the share of new AIDS diagnoses attributable to sex between men fell from 65% to 43%. The share due to injection drug use was 19% in 1985, peaking at 31% in 1993, and dropping to 20% in 2005.
In the last few years there has been a significant increase in HIV cases in women, especially minorities. The rate is also starting to rise for young homosexual men--the reason is lack of knowledge. Teenagers, especially teenage girls, are also at higher risk than ever before. Why? Lack of knowledge/unwillingness to have safer sex.
Linda, viruses mutate. They acclimate themselves to their environment. There are many strains of HIV, some resistant and it is often due to non-compliance on the part of patients in taking their meds. You know a lot more about many things than I do, but trust me---this is not one of them.
posted on February 6, 2007 09:26:37 PM new
Those stats don't sound like they agree with the ones I've read....on the CDC website.
I've read that in 1993 the percentages of MSM were 71-73%. Not as low as your is showing. I find the Kaiser Foundation to be a credible source...but I believe the reason the numbers are where they should be is because you're not adding the MSM drug users, the black MSM hiv/aids AND just the general numbers for MSM alone. When those three groups are added together.....they're MUCH higher.
Anyway...that aside....coincoach you continue to post as IF you think I'm not aware of the info. you continue presenting here. I AM.
It doesn't address the FACT that had we tried to keep those gay men quarantined the disease might NOT have spread to other groups....or at least NOT as quickly as it did.
The drop in MSM hiv/aids came about when the drugs/cocktails were found that started keeping them alive. Before that time, we saw NOTHING but the deaths of thousands upon thousands of GAY MEN..
And I'm saying that IF we don't quarantine these MSM that our general population is going to experience the EXACT same thing.
Now, you may disagree with what I feel should be done.....because I lived that horrible time near SF...and I'd like NOT to see the same things that is now STARTING out with ONLY GAY MEN in WA. state.
You don't appear to offer any suggestions/options/opinions on what ELSE might work...but as a liberal...you/they always argue about whatever solutions ARE offered...but give NONE of your own.
"[i]Although the proportion of cases who were "men who have sex with men" (MSM) declined from 71% in 1983 to 44% in 1996 (of whom 4% also reported injecting drug use) that proportion has held steady in recent years, contrary to some predictions in the early 1990s that MSM cases would decline to about 25% of new diagnoses.(14)
Users of CDC data on reported cases should note, however, that the risk groups in which cases are initially reported are skewed toward a high proportion in the "risk not reported/identified" category, the majority of which are eventually reclassified as MSM cases. Thirty-one percent of cases reported in 2001 were in this category but nearly all of them will be ultimately reclassified into the other categories.
To account for this reclassification, CDC publishes tables estimating the numbers adjusted to reporting delays and reclassification.
Those estimates projected MSM as 44% of new cases in 2001 (of whom 4.5% also report injecting drugs).
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And as I HOPE you are also aware....not ALL states even report their hiv/aids cases. Last I read only 2/3 reported to the CDC.
But as I've tried to say....the history of hiv/aids isn't what I wanted to discuss. But rather how we can keep those gay men with this new strain that our current meds don't help much....from spreading to many other gay men...and to our society in general. As it did before.
posted on February 6, 2007 10:12:11 PM new
You've already decided that quarantine is the solution and not sex education as others have suggested, Linda_K.
You're such an expert on the gay life style and their health so it may be the perfect job for you to round them up, monitor them, care for them and lecture them after they are imprisoned. Problem solved.
posted on February 7, 2007 08:54:39 AM new
From CDC HIV Prevention Strategic Plan Through 2005--Explanation of Terms, Acronyms and Abbreviations:
HOMOPHOBIA. The irrational fear of homosexuals or homosexuality, which hampers HIV prevention efforts, is homophobia. In HIV prevention, homophobia is associated with AIDS-related stigma and discrimination. According to the Institute of Medicine in No Time To Lose, "AIDS stigma is closely linked to other existing social prejudices, including prejudices against homosexuals and drug users. The initial identification of HIV/AIDS among these marginalized groups has had a lasting impact on the way in which the disease is perceived by the American public. . . . [A]lthough the epidemiology of HIV/AIDS has changed considerably, most heterosexual adults continue to associate AIDS with homosexuality or bisexuality." See Stigma and Discrimination.
STIGMA Excerpted from Fight AIDS - Not People With AIDS! by Gregory M. Herek, Ph.D.: "AIDS-related stigma (or, more simply, AIDS stigma) refers to prejudice, discounting, discrediting, and discrimination directed at people perceived to have AIDS or HIV, and the individuals, groups, and communities with which they are associated. AIDS stigma is expressed around the world in a variety of ways, including: ostracism, rejection, and avoidance of people with AIDS (PWAs), discrimination against PWAs, compulsory HIV testing without prior consent or protection of confidentiality, violence against persons who are perceived to have AIDS or to be infected with HIV, QUARANTINE of persons with HIV. AIDS stigma is effectively universal, but its form varies from one country to another, and the specific groups targeted for AIDS stigma vary considerably. Whatever its form, AIDS stigma inflicts suffering on people and interferes with attempts to fight the AIDS epidemic."
posted on February 7, 2007 09:49:36 AM new91 1/2. lol
coincoach...you can put any label on me you wish to. Won't change a thing in preventing this new strain from entering the whole population down the road....since many, like yourself, wish to do nothing to keep it from spreading.
posted on February 7, 2007 10:07:03 AM new
There is a reason for neocons wanting to draw attention to gays while most Americans are much more concerned about the slaughter in Iraq and our economy.
The folowing are points #2 and #3 from Dr. Britt's 14 points of FASCISM.
""""2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. """"
posted on February 7, 2007 01:33:44 PM new
First Linda, I did not call you anything, but if the shoe fits....That was a C & P from the CDC---their definition of homophobia and stigma. I though it was interesting because they specifically mentioned quarantine and blaming one segment of society. Second, these new strains can be contained with education. It worked once to decrease the incidence of new cases. Many people have become complacent, thinking that antiretroviral medications would eliminate the virus. Re-education is necessary. Teenagers, especially, are the toughest as we all know they think that nothing can happen to them. Most people, once they learn how to prevent spread of the virus, will take the steps necessary to contain it. If people are worried that the virus will run rampant within the population, they need to make sure they have safe sex, get tested and ask your partners to get tested before becoming intimate or abstain from sex.
posted on February 9, 2007 10:59:29 AM new
I like how Linda interprets MSM as being gay. There is no mention of sexual oritentation in any of these studies. All MSM means is men who have sex with other men. This can be a bisexual man having sex with a man or it can mean a man who identifies himself as straight but has sex with a man. In no way does MSM mean the two people involved are gay.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
Are YOU a Bunghole?