posted on February 10, 2007 11:26:23 PM new
""IF one has to be homeless there couldn't be a better place in the world to be homeless than in the beautiful islands of Hawaii. ""
Shades of that fat old warped Barbara Bushit saying that the people forced out of their homes by Katrina were better off living in a sports stadium...what heartless, amoral, pigs! Typical Republicans!
posted on February 10, 2007 11:59:03 PM new
Yes, that comment did go right along with how Barbara Bush feels.
Right now a dead media star and a homeless paraplegic man are both in the headlines. The media star has lived her life and now she's gone so there is no further hope for her but this man is still alive so there is always hope for him.
Maybe he has a story to tell, maybe he has a message to give......... but I have a feeling that our culture will be much more interested in the widely reported messages that some will insist that the media star is sending from her grave.
posted on February 11, 2007 04:00:54 AM new
Homeless in Hawaii!
Only the naive or the cold hearted people will think these homeless in Hawaii want to be on the beach with a tent,ice chest and communal shower facility.
Is this how a family should stay together and watch Tv and enjoy a family dinner??Or kids doing their homework or parents sharing an intimate moment?
posted on February 11, 2007 04:30:40 AM new
First off I'm real curious as to WHICH beach all these homeless Hawaiian's are living on. I thought that was illegal.
Then help me to understand your position as to why with TWO ADULTS neither can find a job in a state with the lowest unemployment rate in the whole US.
Help me understand why I should feel sorry for them....and why YOU don't believe they should be trying to find a job to support their families.
Because I'll admit....I sure don't understand why you feel so sorry for them and don't appear to have ANY expectations that they SHOULD be able to take care of themselves and all children from their union.
posted on February 11, 2007 07:07:39 AM new
Medicare Part A covers hospice care in home, hospice or hospital for those certified by their physician as having less than 6 months to live.
As far as I can see, no where in that article is it stated that the homeless man was an emergency room patient--which is quite different from in-patient discharge. Indications are (from this article) that he was an in-patient, although I do not know that for a fact. However, in either case, dumping a disoriented patient with a colostomy on skid row, no-where near a mission according to Det. Long, is far from my idea of decent medical care. NOTHING you have said changes that. In fact,your posts just illustrate how this happened in the first place.
[ edited by coincoach on Feb 11, 2007 07:22 AM ]
posted on February 11, 2007 08:17:57 AM new
"Amoral" is too ambiguous to apply to such immoral acts as dumping sick and homeless people in the squalor and crime ridden area of a city. Such evil acts should not be labeled amoral which sometimes just means indifference.
posted on February 11, 2007 08:28:42 AM new
You're right, Helen, and I agree to a point. It's evil that these acts are committed and condoned...but then there's a level of indifference eminating from those who have never personally faced these circumstances, a total lack of feeling for the misfortune of others.......maybe I need a different word than amoral..???
posted on February 11, 2007 08:33:02 AM new
In this report Hawaii is named as the third meanest state to be homeless in, ranking after California and Florida.
Some examples of meanness are given including this one:
Hawaii's passage of a law banning the homeless from all public spaces, fining them $1,000 or up to 30 days in jail for violations.
posted on February 11, 2007 08:36:53 AM new
IMO, one of the reasons for incidents like this is that there is such a lack of empathy in this country. If we can't or won't put ourselves in someone else's shoes, dumping of homeless patients, lack of decent medical insurance, homophobia, prejudice, Enron-like raiding of pensions, etc. will continue.
posted on February 11, 2007 08:41:30 AM new
Sorry, Kiara, good post but I can find humor
in just about anything and the following sentence is hilarious...
""Hawaii's passage of a law banning the homeless from all public spaces, fining them $1,000 or up to 30 days in jail for violations."""
Hmmm, how many homeless have a grand in their pocket ?? And jail ain't fun but they get shelter and food for 30 days.
posted on February 11, 2007 10:15:15 AM new
coincoach - It really doesn't matter whether he was inpatient or in a 24 hold situation OR if he was discharged from the emergency.
The hospitals would NOT release a person who still needed medical care.
The FACT that he had a colostomy bag and was a paraplegic has NO bearing on the issue of WHERE he was taken. Which WAS where he said he wanted to be taken.
He was obviously that way when he entered the hospital.
And on hospice.....most hospital will NOT keep patients that required treatment any longer than they have too. I think you're aware of what's been happening in the hospitals for years now. Do whatever sent them home that day or the next.
On medicare.....try and remember NOT ALL people are on medicare....you have to be 65 before that starts.
And in order to be placed in ANY hospice facility you have to agree TO NO MORE TREATMENTS OF ANY KIND. Pain relief ONLY. They cannot be receiving any sort of 'healing' treatment. PERIOD. Otherwise they won't be allowed in a hospice situation.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on February 11, 2007 11:09:31 AM newThe FACT that he had a colostomy bag and was a paraplegic has NO bearing on the issue of WHERE he was taken.
Are you serious? He couldn't walk and had no wheelchair available which put him at a distinct disadvantage.
Hospital's account of 'dumping' case disputed
Orlando Ward, a spokesman for the Midnight Mission, disputed another part of the hospital's account Friday. He said a review of security tapes and interviews with staff showed that the patient was brought to the mission around 1 a.m. Thursday on a gurney by two ambulance attendants. Mission staff members asked the attendants for after-care instructions for the patient, who had no wheelchair, and after that discussion the attendants decided to return the man to the hospital. Ward also said no one was turned away from the mission this week.
Ward said mission officials had been working with the Hospital Assn. of Southern California to develop a universal form for hospitals to use when referring homeless patients to shelters.
"The case managers here get the details and sign it and fax it back before the person is transported," he said. "That obviously did not happen in that case."
Jim Lott, executive vice president of the Hospital Assn. of Southern California, acknowledged Friday that "this one slipped through the cracks."
Lott said Hollywood Presbyterian had "very strong protocols" in place guiding the release of homeless patients but it was evident they had not been not followed in this case.
posted on February 11, 2007 11:27:08 AM new
LOL....wake up kiara....there are many who are amputees that can't afford a prosthesis for their limbs. Many who can't afford wheelchairs either.
And then again we already have agencies that do provide these things to those who can't afford them.
And since we know so little about this mans case....maybe he HAD one and sold it for a couple bottles of booze.
posted on February 11, 2007 12:00:13 PM new
coincoach - I need to apoligize because I was wrong about medicare.
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Eligibility =
In general, individuals are eligible for Medicare if they (or their spouse) worked for at least 10 years in Medicare-covered employment and are at least 65 years old and are a citizen or permanent resident of the United States of America.
Individuals who are under 65 years old can also be eligible if they are disabled or have end stage renal disease.
People under 65 and disabled must be receiving disability benefits from either Social Security or the Railroad Retirement Board for at least 24 months before automatic enrollment occurs.
In 2005, Medicare provided health care coverage for 42.5 million Americans. Enrollment is expected to reach 77 million by 2031, when the baby boom generation is fully enrolled.[2]
posted on February 11, 2007 12:04:11 PM new
Since kiara always chooses to LIE about what I'm laughing about.....and since she obviously doesn't know....then she likes to post and lie about me.
posted on February 11, 2007 01:06:48 PM new
linduh, following YOUR thinking...you did not make a mistake...you LIED about Medicare...it was a big LIE....there for all to see ...you LIED....
Caught again!!!!
Maybe you should get your facts straight for a change before lying so much ....
posted on February 11, 2007 04:07:46 PM new
"""IF they were vets...they'd have been treated at a VET facility."""
WANNA BET?
Here in Minnesota a suicidal VET was turned away because , allegedly, they had no room for him...he killed himself two days later.
There are many more examples of shameful treatment of vet in this country...
To imply that ALL veterans have adequate health care is just plain BS!!!!
Perhaps the former Marine would have been better off, if the VA told him to go to the sandy beaches of Hawaii as Linda suggests.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on February 11, 2007 04:25:21 PM newSince kiara always chooses to LIE about what I'm laughing about.....and since she obviously doesn't know....then she likes to post and lie about me.
I gave a choice of definitions for the word 'deride'.
Linda_K, the fact that you would only focus on the laughing one speaks volumes about you. BTW, how many have you called liars in this topic alone?
Every topic ever brought to this forum has you pointing fingers always with accusations....... calling others liars, accusing others of omitting info or twisting words or facts, accusing others of no morals, insinuating mental problems or cheating spouses........ yet almost all of this comes directly back to you because each of your faults is projected loud and clear, it's like a window into your life and into your very soul.
Btw, I wrote this in a calm and matter of fact manner too.
posted on February 11, 2007 06:19:15 PM new
Linda, Thanks for the post about Medicare. I'm not sure about all the requirements for SS disability, but if you are on SS diability for 2 years, you qualify for Medicare no matter what age. Visited my brother today and checked with him about hospice care in hospitals. He is Director of Environmental Safety for a large (12 hospitals)health care system here in NY. He said a lot of hospitals offer hospice care, but many don't. They have to set up a hospice program and meet certain qualifications. Medicare and ,I believe, other health insurance (though not sure about Medicaid) are glad to pay for this care as it is less expensive than other choices. Only palliative care is given--no treatment and patient has to be certified as having less than 6 months to live. Have to say the staff was wonderful when my mother was in hospice. She was peaceful and pain free.
posted on February 11, 2007 07:54:00 PM new
coincoach - I'm glad to hear your Mother had the best care she could have been given - by hospice. And I'm sorry to hear about your loss.
I have yet to hear anything bad about any of the volunteers and staff that give such loving support to the families and to the dying patients.
In our rural area here....hospice supporters have been so active and just last year, after much fund raising, we were able to build our own hospice hospital/facility - right near our hospital.
My husband was a hospice patient also and I cared for him here in our home. They were there at anytime, day or night, to give advice or to come out to our home.
I can never say enough great things about their program.
posted on February 11, 2007 08:47:26 PM new
Thanks, Linda. Hospice is a wonderfull program and my hat is off to anyone who works or volunteers for it. At such a stressful time, they are truly angels of mercy. Glad you had hospice services for your husband. It makes a terrible time a little easier to bear.
[ edited by coincoach on Feb 11, 2007 08:51 PM ]
