posted on February 25, 2007 09:11:55 PM
""Linda_K
posted on February 25, 2007 08:33:37 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh you're DAMN right I'm upset."""
Good lord! Now she's either talking to herself or she thinks she's Kiara answering linduh !
posted on February 25, 2007 09:23:19 PM
Looks like Lindak prefers to cover up a mold problem just like her government covers up its messy little problems. Trouble is, they keep growing bigger and bigger and eventually expose the rot underneath.
posted on February 25, 2007 09:31:13 PM
See...there's ANOTHER accusation about a 'cover up' from our canadian neighbor. lol lol lol
But she didn't address the questions about why the soldiers nor their families reported these terrible facilities.
Nope....it's a gov. cover up....just as I said...they've always got to have some conspiracy to keep their imaginations going. Because they sure as heck don't deal in reality.
====
Oh...and remember now that also involved in this 'cover up' lol lol
are all the military doctors, nurses, and support staff that maintain the building.
They didn't mind working in such terrible conditions??? THEY never reported how bad it was???
WHY NOT?
[ edited by Linda_K on Feb 25, 2007 09:37 PM ]
posted on February 25, 2007 09:36:26 PM
''But she didn't address the questions about why the soldiers nor their families reported these terrible facilities.""
posted on February 25, 2007 09:39:45 PM
Panel: Military Health System Needs Help
Updated 10:57 PM ET February 25, 2007
By SETH BORENSTEIN
WASHINGTON (AP) - Many Iraq war soldiers, veterans and their families are not getting needed psychological help because a stressed military's mental health system is overwhelmed and understaffed, a task force of psychologists found.
The panel's 67-page report calls for the immediate strengthening of the military mental health system. It cites a 40 percent vacancy rate in active duty psychologists in the Army and Navy, resources diverted from family counselors and a weak transition for veterans leaving the military.
The findings were released Sunday by the American Psychological Association.
More than three out of 10 soldiers met the criteria for a "mental disorder," but far less than half of those in need sought help, the report found. Sometimes that's because of the stigma of having mental health problems, other times the help simply wasn't available, according to the task force. And there are special difficulties in getting help to National Guard and Reserve troops, who have been used heavily in Iraq, the report said.
The special task force found no evidence of a "well-coordinated or well-disseminated approach to providing behavioral health care to service members and their families."
The psychology task force, chaired by an active military psychologist and comprised of psychologists working for the military or Veterans Administration, said "relatively few high-quality" mental health programs exist in the military now.
"There are tremendous needs; the system is stressed by these needs," said pediatric psychologist Jeanne Hoffman, a task force member and a civilian pediatric psychologist at Tripler Army Medical Center in Honolulu.
The Defense Department's mental health experts hadn't read the report. Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith said the military is proud of its mental health services record, including a new program this year that checks up on service members after they return home to their families.
"For the past four years, DOD has been aggressively reaching out to support our military personnel before and after deployments. This is unprecedented," Smith said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. "We have assessed the health, including the mental health of more than 1 million service members before and after deployments. We have worked with their families and others to address mental health concerns associated with deployments and with war."
One of the major problems is that four out of 10 "active duty licensed clinical psychologist" slots in the Army and Navy are not filled, a problem worsened by the dire need to send mental health experts into war zones, the report said.
That high vacancy rate has several side effects. One is that the psychologists left are overwhelmed, the report said. It found that one-third of Army mental health personnel reported "high burn out" and 27 percent reported "low motivation for their work."
Because of the shortage, there are even fewer stateside therapists to help families of those deployed and to help returning soldiers readjust, the report found.
Hoffman, the pediatric psychologist, said she's seen children regress on toilet training, have severe headaches, stomach pains, and suffer in school because of the stress of having a parent deployed.
And for soldiers and veterans returning home, only 10 to 20 percent of the military's mental health experts are trained to help those with post-traumatic stress disorder, the report found.
"I know guys that are waiting for appointments," said Russell Terry, chief executive officer of the Iraq War Veterans Organization. "I know guys who are dealing with doctors who have no concept of PTSD."
Terry was on the phone with an Iraq war veteran last year when the vet killed himself.
Report co-chair Michelle Sherman, a psychologist at the Veterans Administration Medical Center in Oklahoma City, said the military and VA are "working very hard to meet the needs" of those returning from Iraq.
At VA headquarters, Antonette Zeiss, deputy chief consultant in the agency's office of mental health services, said the report "misses the mark by quite a way." She said her agency didn't have "an opportunity to present data (to the panel) about what the VA is really doing."
Sherman said the panel did seek data from the VA, but when asked if the agency provided information to the psychologists' panel, she said: "I'm not supposed to answer that question."
Zeiss said the VA has been increasing spending on mental health services yearly, opening new centers and hiring more psychological professionals.
"We have the strongest mental health system in the country and we are making it stronger," she said.
But veterans groups disagree.
"The system as it exists today ignores the readjustment needs specific to Iraq and Afghanistan service members," Veterans for America President Bobby Muller said in a statement. "We have to stop throwing money at a problem that requires a complete overhaul. The system is broken."
___
On the Net:
The American Psychological Association's report: http://www.apa.org/releases/MilitaryDeploymen
as I said....they'll always find something to #*!@ about.
Because just like out in the real world there isn't enough money to pay for what everyone wants/needs.
The military is NO different....and it's going to take more time before it can be brought back from all the damage the clinton administration did while cutting funding for them back so severely.
posted on February 25, 2007 09:47:03 PM
Well, yes it takes time but it also should've taken PLANNING..and there was NONE......which showed a marked lack of concern for our vets by the bush administration.
And speaking of time...the bushit administration had PLENTY OF TIME about 7 years so far......
posted on February 25, 2007 09:51:42 PM
I don't know how good an analogy this is, but, thinking about sending soldiers to war, then not caring enough about their treatment afterwards reminds me of those right to lifers who want EVERY conceived clump of cells to become a baby but don't like pre-schools to prepare those children for life, don't seem to care much about how they're treated afterwards, want to cut back on food stamps, and want a 12-year-old who's pregnant by her father to bear the child.
And they're the ones who don't want government interfering in their lives! Go figure.
_____________________
People who want to share their religious views with you almost
never want you to share yours with them.
posted on February 25, 2007 10:00:00 PM
Roadsmith, I think it's a very apt comparison. I have heard many others say the same thing....the anti-choice people only seem to care about the fetus but don't give a damn about it after it's born....
I wonder how many times linduh has walked up to a husband, wife, parent or child who has lost a loved one in Iraq and told them, "Well, they asked for it! They joined uP! And it's up to them to take care of themselves if they do make it home, doesn't matter what condition they're in."
I wonder if she has the courage of her convictions to do that ?????
posted on February 25, 2007 10:07:18 PM
Some of us were adults during the Vietnam war. We saw men who went there perfectly normal and who came back damaged in body and mind.
There's a wonderful congressman from Seattle, Jim McDermott, who was my husband's college roommate at one time. Jim was a navy psychiatrist who told us he was radicalized by what he saw war do to the Vietnam veterans. He has lived his beliefs ever since, and I sincerely hope he's never defeated; congress needs men like him.
_____________________
People who want to share their religious views with you almost
never want you to share yours with them.
posted on February 25, 2007 10:13:32 PM
The sad part about that situation is that liberals want someone ELSE to take the responsibility for thos who cannot care for their own.
It worked real well in the past....when a young girl got pregnant...she either got married and they BOTH took care of their own child. OR she lived with her family who helped her raise the child.
Now..in the liberal - anything goes - when problems arise from being irresponsible....they liberals FIRST thought is RUN TO THE GOVERNMENT to take care of the problem.
Or murder the baby.
Yep...that was no one has to take responsibility for caring for a child.
But those who do work towards placing unwanted children.....are being driven away from that socially helpful assistance. AGAIN by the liberals who don't want them telling ANYONE that they don't believe gay parents/transvestites make good parents...and they won't give them these children.
So...all lose. And the liberals get to go back to wanting the BIG NANNY gov. to step in and force the taxpayers to pay for all those who can't take responsibility for their OWN actions.
Yep....NANNY gov is always their answer....and the taxpayers are the 'nanny'.
posted on February 25, 2007 10:14:35 PMhow does kiara know how much mold was involved?in how many rooms? each wall....every wall? ONE WALL??? LOL
I previously posted the link from the Washington Post:
In Sunday's Washington Post, Dana Priest and Anne Hull described the woeful conditions of Room 205 in Walter Reed's Building 18: "Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan's room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole."
It's pathetic that you think this is funny, Linda. Or do you live in similar conditions so see this as normal?
posted on February 25, 2007 10:17:43 PM
roadsmith - the VN vets weren't the first to experience these problem.
ALL veterens of war have.
So it sounds to me like you support a man who is a pacifist????
Then what would America do without anyone to ever defend her?
Because after all....war is HELL and we certainly wouldn't want to allow anyone to volunteer to serve their country.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on February 25, 2007 10:19:51 PM
""" Linda_K
posted on February 25, 2007 09:56:41 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You only prove what I say about you being so out of touch with the reality of so many situations.
Try and remember when we went into Iraq.....that was NOT 7 years ago...by any stretch of the imagination. lol lol""""
Yes, linduh, the plan to start a war with Iraq was started long before 9/11 and even if you don't believe that then bushit had 6 years to beef up military support and he hasn't done it.
"""You ever serve our Nation, sybil?....or are you just one of those chronic complainers and military bashers...besides being a Bush basher???"""
Here we go again with the OLD, OLD argument that you have to have been in the military to comment on it...which linduh hasn't been in but comments anyway....watch it linduh , the last woman you challenged about military service , Victoria, sent you down in flames and extreme humiliation.
"""The negativity that surrounds you on a daily basis but contribute to your problems."""
I have no negativity surrounding me....must be your hallucinations...
"""Lose that job you were demoted from a while back? Looking for a new one....or are you living off the gov. while you whine about everything they do?"""
Losing the argument?
Must be to bring up my job which has nothing to do with THE TOPIC! I was never demoted and have never "lived off the government". In the 80's I was laid off a couple of times and collected un-employment compensation...money that came from MY TAXES that I had paid. So once again you are very confused....but heavy drug use does that.
posted on February 25, 2007 10:28:42 PM
oh....darn....that's right. ONLY all you dems can go off topic. I forgot. LOL LOL LOL
and taking a $9,000.00 cut in pay IS taking a demotion imo. Speaks to how they feel about what you have to offer them. Usually people get raises....they don't have money taken away from their salary...unless there's a reason.
posted on February 25, 2007 10:30:20 PMKerry said he was “saddened” by a recent Washington Post series exposing poor sanitary conditions and other hurdles faced by injured veterans returning to the states after service in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with a story in the Army Times about 15 month delays facing vets seeking a physical evaluation. The sponsors of the legislation are Sens. Obama and McCaskill.
The legislation that Kerry is co-sponsoring would do the following:
* Simplify the paperwork process for recovering soldiers
* Improve the ratio of caseworkers to recovering soldiers
* Increase the training of caseworkers
* Require more frequent IG inspections of hospital facilities and standards of care
* Establish timelines and benchmarks for repairs to substandard facilities
* Provide recovering soldiers with psychological counseling
* Require regular reporting to Congress on:
o the total number of recovering soldiers at military hospitals
o the number of caseworkers
o the average waiting time for treatment
o the number of suicide attempts, accidental deaths or drug overdoses
posted on February 25, 2007 10:36:43 PM
"""Linda_K
posted on February 25, 2007 10:28:42 PM new
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
oh....darn....that's right. ONLY all you dems can go off topic. I forgot. LOL LOL LOL
and taking a $9,000.00 cut in pay IS taking a demotion imo. Speaks to how they feel about what you have to offer them. Usually people get raises....they don't have money taken away from their salary...unless there's a reason."""
Like I said, you must be losing the argument big time to have to post this trash
And, no, linduh it isn't just the dems who go off topic...you do it constantly, you just did it, don't you remember ?.... you just think the "dems" shouldn't....sorry, it doesn't work that way.
posted on February 25, 2007 10:53:02 PM
"""Linda_K
posted on February 25, 2007 10:47:59 PM new
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LOL....funny sybil.
so now, according to you, lol lol lol trash = truth.
You posted it...you own it.
You were livid that you'd had your salary reduced by $9,000.00.
Might want to check your OWN posts under crowfarm. lol It was soon after you came to this board.
memory problems??? LOL LOL"""
Still can't stay on topic or answer questions when you're losing an argument
No, linduhm, I never posted that ..YOU did...but you confused yourself with Kiara so I can understand how you can confuse anything!
Now maybe before you take your "meds" and go to bed ALONE you can say just what this has to do with the topic ???
