posted on March 1, 2007 11:14:52 AM new
Why didn't you say that the numbers were obtained by some employee who managed to get into the Gore home? With a reliable source like that---you convinced me!
posted on March 1, 2007 11:49:43 AM new
Prove it is true. And, I resent you calling me a liar! When you start throwing names around, it just illustrates that you do not have a valid argument.
[ edited by coincoach on Mar 1, 2007 11:52 AM ]
posted on March 1, 2007 11:56:34 AM new
The article is there for all to read.
Now IF you're challenging the numbers THEY give....very detailed numbers I might add....
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then it's up to YOU to disprove it.
But you CAN'T so you'd rather keep up this silly arguing....because you KNOW it's only that you don't WANT to believe gore is an ENERGY HOG.
LOL LOL
Believe what you want. It's reported now...other news agencies will either pick it up or not.
It comes as NO surprise to me that unless the NYT reports something....the liberals refuse to believe it....even though they WON'T do their own research to DISPROVE it.
lol so typical
Argue with yourself, CC. The numbers are there. Let us know if you can EVER prove they AREN'T his correct usage.
posted on March 1, 2007 12:05:34 PM new
Stone,
Gets caught editing a article he post here and now becomes more of a low life trying to change the subject.
LIAR_K and her step sons Bear and Stone are the kind of people that tricked good Americans into voting for the mess we live in now.
posted on March 1, 2007 12:10:58 PM new
And , linDUH, even if you are right and Gore has committed the awful sin of using more energy than you think he needs....
SO WHAT!
What does that prove?
That there's no global warming?
That there's no pollution ?
That you think you should live like Gore?
That Gore should do nothing ?
That rich people who want to help should live in caves?
Or are just going to repeat and repeat and repeat ad nauseum about double standards...those "glowing" things you see???
posted on March 1, 2007 12:20:46 PM new
It's ME who can't "get it"???
And no, you understand nothing.
Al Gore IS doing the walk (PROVEN) and talking, made a movie, speaks out, inspires others to get involved....far and away more than your bushgod has ever done for Americans and the environment!!
posted on March 1, 2007 01:34:15 PM new
Liar_K said, Gore doesn't practice what he preaches.
True if you believe LIAR_K's,Bear's and stone's LIES that we have exposed.
Otherwise Gore does more for the environment than the whole dam bunch of LIAR new-con on this board alone with 10,000 more just like them. What fakes and liars the new-cons are.
All the new-con leaders have brought us is a mess of the unnecessary BUSH WAR and lots of money given to the already rich and industry.
Remember when BUSHY said RUMMY was doing a fine job with THE BUSH WAR.
posted on March 1, 2007 01:55:28 PM new
Global warming is as dangerous as war
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17401890/
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on March 1, 2007 01:59:03 PM new
Linda, Those numbers may be true or may not be true. Pardon me if I question the credibility of this biased organization that cannot even get information from a state agency. Regardless of this fact, what you canot GRASP is that the Gores are in the process of renovating and installing solar paneling to cut their energy usage. If it is not being installed fast enough for you, speak to their contractor. They have already taken other steps to conserve energy. A spokesman for Gore states "The power coming into their residence is green, renewable power," she said, explaining that the Gores participate in a program called Green Power Switch, which is run through the public Tennessee Valley Authority. Green Power Switch supplies energy from renewable sources to its members.
posted on March 1, 2007 02:01:44 PM new
mingotree
posted on March 1, 2007 12:10:58 PM edit
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And , linDUH, even if you are right and Gore has committed the awful sin of using more energy than you think he needs....
SO WHAT!
What does that prove?
That there's no global warming?
That there's no pollution ?
That you think you should live like Gore?
That Gore should do nothing ?
That rich people who want to help should live in caves?
Or are just going to repeat and repeat and repeat ad nauseum about double standards...those "glowing" things you see???
Linda_K
posted on March 1, 2007 12:14:08 PM
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Already answered.....you can't read EITHER???"""""
posted on March 1, 2007 02:06:08 PM new
Linda should talk to Gore about saving energy the Linda_K way - by showering with family members. I bet Gore could knock a couple hundred dollars off his electric bill that way.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on March 1, 2007 02:15:52 PM new
I have YET to read ANYWHERE where Gore has refuted these figures. The meter readings and charges are a matter of public record that anyone (including Tennessee Center for Policy Research) can access.
Until Bore does refute the facts and figures, you demomorons have no leg to stand on in defending him.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on March 1, 2007 02:37:33 PM new
"I have YET to read ANYWHERE where Gore has refuted these figures. The meter readings and charges are a matter of public record that anyone (including Tennessee Center for Policy Research) can access."
"Until Bore does refute the facts and figures, you demomorons have no leg to stand on in defending him."
I have just returned from doing a search on JUST that bear. And the ONLY thing I found was that 'gore refuses to answer ANY questions put to him about this'
Figures.
Also noted was that the liberal MSM is avoiding the issue like a hot potato. lol Doesn't THAT surprise anyone? lol Not me.
And then one article does reference that a company gore has partial ownership of....benefits from this 'buying' of blocks of energy.....so it looks like he may be profitting from what he's selling.
Again....not the talk he talks...but rather the walk he's walking in his personal choices to waste all this energy. And he and his wife don't even work at home....think of how high their energy bills would be if ONE of them was home all the time.
I'm going to do more searching to find out more about this partial ownership in this company that gore owns.
But for now...it appears to me he's REALLY profitting from this 'global warming' garbage that he's passing off as 'truth'.
posted on March 1, 2007 02:44:21 PM new
And for coincoach, who implied that the referenced site could be a BLOG.....lol....which the liberals don't mind using when THEY post.....
"The Tennessee Center for Policy Research is an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions."
posted on March 1, 2007 02:50:26 PM new
and gore has often referred to our individual 'carbon footprints'. LOL
All I can say is he has a HUGE 'footprint'.
It's not a matter of him not doing it FAST enough, coincoach. He's a hypocrite....and that's a proven FACT.
Do a search yourself on 'gores massive energy consumption'. Might just surprise you.
But then again....you're willing to defend his massive useage for ONE family....while believing the REST of us should conserve???? LOL
While believing the rest of us should PAY because massive users like he is want US to pay? I don't think so.
And IF he IS profitting from the sale of these 'carbon blocks' of EXTRA energy.....then the liberal MSM won't be able to deny he's been doing all this for his own PERSONAL FINANCIAL GAIN.
posted on March 1, 2007 03:07:45 PM new
I was replying to this ridiculous statement of yours--"Because coincoaches arguement that one agency doesn't 'recognize' another lol lol is like saying kiara doesn't recognize the news CNSnews prints....she only believes the NYT [the treason times]" because you are trying to compare the Tennessee State Revenue Dept. with an edited article. Sorry, that is not one agency to another, that's apples and oranges. You made the comparison, not me. In your research, maybe you will discover that this statement "The Tennessee Center for Policy Research is an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions." is how Mr. Johnson describes his TCPR. Self-serving to say the least. Disputed by many.
posted on March 1, 2007 03:13:59 PM new
"disputed by many"?
LOL....yea, just like in the real world....many groups dispute what others say. WHY? Because they usually don't agree with one another. Like liberals and conservatives.
But I'll WAIT until YOU can prove to us that gores family DOESN'T use this massive amount of energy....while telling the rest of the world 'we need to CONSERVE'.
posted on March 1, 2007 03:29:35 PM new
The Profit of Doom
As the controversy over global warming doomsayer Al Gore's voracious energy-eater mansion rolls on, there's an angle I think merits deeper investigation than it is currently getting. While much of the focus has been on whether or not Gore is an environmental hypocrite, the story has raised the profile of the role of "carbon offsets" in achieving a "greener," more environmentally friendly world.
In its original story, The Tennessean reported that Gore buys "carbon offsets" to compensate for his home's use of energy from carbon-based fuels. As Wikipedia explains, a carbon offset "is a service that tries to reduce the net carbon emissions of individuals or organizations indirectly, through proxies who reduce their emissions and/or increase their absorption of greenhouse gases."
Wikipedia goes on to explain that "a wide variety of offset actions are available; tree planting is the most common. Renewable energy and energy conservation offsets are also popular, including emissions trading credits."
So far, so good. But how Gore buys his "carbon offsets," as revealed by The Tennessean raises serious questions. According to the newspaper's report, Gore buys his carbon offsets through Generation Investment Management:
Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe...
Gore is chairman of the firm and, presumably, draws an income or will make money as its investments prosper. In other words, he "buys" his "carbon offsets" from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself. To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy "carbon offsets" through Generation Investment Management - he buys stocks.
And it is not clear at all that Gore's stock purchases - excuse me, "carbon offsets" purchases - actually help reduce the use of carbon-based energy at all, while the gas lanterns and other carbon-based energy burners at his house continue to burn carbon-based fuels and pump carbon emissions - a/k/a/ "greenhouse gases" - into the atmosphere.
Gore's people tout his purchase of "carbon offsets" as evidence that he lives a "carbon-neutral" lifestyle, but the truth is Gore's home uses electricity that is, for the most part, derived from the burning of carbon fuels. His house gets its electricity from Nashville Electric Service, which gets its from the Tennessee Valley Authority, which produces most of its power from coal-burning power plants. Which means most of the power being consumed at the Gore mansion comes from carbon-emitting power sources.
Wikipedia again:
The intended goal of carbon offsets is to combat global warming. The appeal of becoming "carbon neutral" has contributed to the growth of voluntary offsets, which often are a more cost-effective alternative to reducing one's own fossil-fuel consumption. However, the actual amount of carbon reduction (if any) from an offset project is difficult to measure, largely unregulated, and vulnerable to misrepresentation.
Did you get that? Carbon offsets are an "alternative to reducing one's own fossil-fuel consumption" and yet "the actual amount of carbon reduction (if any) from an offset project is difficult to measure, largely unregulated, and vulnerable to misrepresentation."
One way to misrepresent things: Tell a newspaper your stock purchases are really purchases of "carbon offsets."
Meanwhile, Gore runs around the country and the world trumpeting "climate crisis" and blaming man's use of carbon-based energy - burning thousands of gallons of jet fuel as he goes. His efforts have served to put climate change at the top of the national and even global agenda, driving up the value of the stocks and companies viewed as "green" or environmentally friendly. Companies like those his investment management firm invest his own and other peoples' money in. (You can see a list of Generation Investment Management's holdings here, courtesy of the U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission.)
As one commenter posting here and on other blogs has noted:
Hmmm. The Goracle is chairman and a founding partner of Generation Investment Management LLP, a boutique international investment firm that invests other peoples' money, for a fee, into the stocks of 'green' companies. ... So when Al beats the drum for possible future global warming, he's also drumming up business.
And profiting from hyping the "global warming" crisis.
In a nutshell, Gore consumes large amounts of carbon-based electricity while he trumpets a growing "global warming" crisis that drives up the value of "green" companies like the ones in which he buys carbon offsets invests in their stocks.
A primary rule of good investigative journalism is, "Follow the money." The media - and perhaps the SEC - ought to take a deeper look at Gore, Generation Investment Management and his carbon offset stock purchases.
Asides:
Gore's huge electric power usage at his Nashville home isn't the only example of how the prophet profit of environmental doom hasn't always lived as if he believes his message. During the eight years Gore was vice president, he voted in four national elections. Every single time, he and his entourage and security detail and accompanying media flew to Nashville on a large government jet, burning thousands of gallons of fossil fuels and pumping huge amounts of carbon emissions directly into the earth's atmosphere, and then drove in a caravan of fossil fuel-burning vehicles from Nashville International Airport east on I-40 to Carthage, Tennessee, so the local and national TV cameras could get video of him at the voting booth. And then the whole caravan headed back to Nashville for the plane ride back to DC. Traffic had to be halted on Nashville's interstates and side streets every time - sometimes during rush hour - idling thousand of vehicles that just sat there, burning fossil fuels and emitting carbon pollution, just so Gore could create a media photo-op.
He could have instead voted by mailing in an absentee ballot.
Also... Pajamas Media has photos of Gore's energy-devouring Nashville home. And while some bloggers have likened "carbon offsets" to the "indulgences" the pre-Reformation Catholic Church sold to the wealthy so they could continue to sin, ithe blogger at The Virginian says carbon offsets are more like the "sumptuary laws" of medieval times, laws that regulated and reinforced social hierarchies and morals through restrictions on clothing, food, and luxury expenditures.
In the Late Middle Ages sumptuary laws were instated as a way for the nobility to cap the conspicuous consumption of the up-and-coming bourgeoisie of medieval cities. ... The danger is that the use of "carbon offsets" will create two things that re morally monstrous: a de-facto sumptuary law and the impoverishments of the poor and powerless of this planet. The creation of an aristocratic elite that differentiates itself from the hoi polloi by its ability to buy "carbon offsets" while the rest of the planet is forced by environmental laws into a smaller and smaller carbon straightjacket is not so far fetched.
posted on March 1, 2007 03:37:52 PM new
"""And IF he IS profitting from the sale of these 'carbon blocks' of EXTRA energy.....then the liberal MSM won't be able to deny he's been doing all this for his own PERSONAL FINANCIAL GAIN.''""
Isn't that what investing is all about ?
Investing in new energy resources, renewable energy is smart, creates jobs, improves the environment......why are you against that...OH that's right , you're a dopey neocon!!!
