posted on April 4, 2007 10:59:16 AMThat's MY opinion of how I see HIM and his decision to put HIS political career FIRST....ahead of hers and his childrens needs.
Fine you have stated YOUR OPINION. Not everyone agrees with you - you are in the minority. Now shut up and move on.
The decision for John Edwards to pull out of his run for the presidency was not yours to make. It was between he and his family. I am sure he would have decided not to run, if his wife asked him to stay by her side.
When you are "dying of cancer" you can decide whether or not to make a run for the White House, until then quit trying to put your so-called values on everyone else.
Oh by the way when your husband was dying did you stay by his side every minute of the day or did you have to work?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 4, 2007 11:33:23 AMI'm NOT in a 'tiny minority' of Americans who see his priorities as being screwed up....
More of your fuzzy math. When 66% of the American people agree with John Edwards decision, that would put in 33% who don't.
In case you can do your math, 66% is higher than 33%. So YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY. I know this concept is difficult for you to grasp.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 4, 2007 11:37:17 AMFool....I'll speak when I want.
That is the problem. To bad you have the Energizer batteries in that mouth hole of yours. It never stops yapping and spilling its vile. I think it is time someome muzzle the toy.
Try and pretend to be a grown up.for once in your miserable life.
OOH, I am so scared. Do you know b*tch I have learned how to be a Bible Belt, Christian loving, Patriotic American from you.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 4, 2007 11:56:34 AMAgain, I disagree with your numbers.
WOW, that doesn't surprise me. Care to post any numbers that support your position that show the Majority of Americans don't think John Edwards made the right decision?
Now....use your ignore button or QUIT addressing me and then telling me to shut up when I answer.
Look who is telling who how to post now. tsk tsk tsk. Did I get that right Linda or should it be LOL LOL LOL. SHUT UP, YOU HYPOCRITE.
You are loosing it. You should be institutionalized so someone can give you the proper treatment you deserve.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
NEW YORK, March 28, 2007
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Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth (Getty Images/Sara D. Davis)
(CBS) Americans support former Sen. John Edwards' decision to continue his bid for the Democratic Presidential nomination after his wife was diagnosed with a recurrence of cancer — and by a margin of more than 2-to-1.
According to a CBS News Poll conducted in the two days following the couple's interview by Katie Couric on "60 Minutes" this past Sunday, 57% of those who were surveyed said Edwards is doing the right thing by continuing to campaign. Less than half as many — 24% — said he should have suspended his campaign or withdrawn entirely.
Democratic primary voters — both those who said they would vote for Edwards and those who said they would not — are especially supportive of Edwards' decision to continue. Two-thirds of Democratic voters polled said he made the right decision.
Those who watched the "60 Minutes" interview as well as those who did not watch said they support Edwards' decision. Among those surveyed, the more closely Americans were following this story, the more supportive they were of Edwards continuing his campaign.
There was little difference between the opinions of women and men on the question: Do you think John Edwards is doing the right thing by staying in the presidential race, or should he have withdrawn or suspended his campaign?
A majority of respondents believe that, should Edwards be elected president, his wife's health would not affect his ability to do the job. Among all voters, 52% think Edwards could devote enough time to the job while 30% believe he could not and 18% are unsure. Among Democratic primary voters, 63% believe he could manage it all.
But winning the nomination could be more difficult, according to the survey. While almost half of those surveyed think the chances of Edwards being the Democratic nominee are not affected by Elizabeth Edwards' health issues, 28% of all respondents and 30% of Democratic primary voters think it makes it less likely.
Some 44% of Americans said they know someone who has been diagnosed with breast cancer. A majority of them supported Edwards' decision to continue his campaign.
This poll was conducted among a random sample of 831 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone March 26-27, 2007. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus four percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. An oversample of registered voters who plan to vote in a Democratic primary next year was also conducted for this poll, for a total of 539 interviews among this group.
The subsample of all Democratic primary voters was weighted to the proportion of these voters across three previous 2007 CBS News and CBS News/New York Times Polls. The margin of error for Democratic primary voters is plus or minus five percentage points.
posted on April 4, 2007 12:00:40 PMGET A GRIP. Your showing your vulgar side again.
And you continue to show how mentally unstable you really are.
You'd know all about where YOU stick what....
Care to elaborate??? I stick what where??
but you certainly don't speak for me.
Just like you don't speak for the majority of Americans. Now SHUT UP.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 4, 2007 12:41:57 PMAnyone reading about stage 4 cancer...will see and learn the truth for themselves. No putting a 'rosy' picture on stage fours.
Again that is your take. No different than a person contracting HIV. In both cases the person will eventually die. However it is a matter of when.
I suppose you would rather have Elizabeth Edwards just admit defeat and stay home in bed until she dies. Sounds like a typical Republican to me, admit defeat and do nothing. How come you are not suggesting Tony Snow quit his job and stay home instead of battling his cancer.
The great Molly Ivins was diagnosed with breast cancer in 1999 and she continued to work despite her cancer.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 4, 2007 04:59:01 PM
Bear said, "No real man I know would dare subject his wife to deal with the ordeal of treatments alone, without him there beside her."
Bear,you must be talking about Newt.
Besides that Bear from you posts I am sure your far from knowing what a "real man" is.
posted on April 4, 2007 05:42:19 PM
Yes, Bear....that's right. NO man who truly loved his wife would put his own political ambitions FIRST....before a wife who has stage 4 BONE cancer.
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Other random comments.
No, stage 4 bone cancer is NOTHING like having aids.
Get real.
And Molly Ivans....she died didn't she? Did SHE have stage 4 bone cancer? Was she put through the rigorous strains and stress of a political campaign? Nope....she wasn't. She took her therapy and took care of herself.
On the See B S poll. Anyone who thinks a poll that SMALL proves anything about how the majority of Americans see his decision is NUTS. It can't possibly be representative of 300,000,000 American's.
Nothing but foolishness.
I can't believe there's still anyone that believes anything See BS states. Not after how they were show over and over to have LIED to the public....for their own newcasters political bias'. lol
But some fools surely do.
edited to add:
SOMEONE really should inform mr.rich that mrs. edwards is NOT running for president. He too seems terribly misinformed. lol
Elizabeth Edwards for President
By FRANK RICH
[ edited by Linda_K on Apr 4, 2007 05:54 PM ]
posted on April 4, 2007 07:05:53 PM
Here's a Gallup poll:
According to the Mar. 23-25, 2007, USA Today/Gallup poll, Democrats are significantly more likely than Republicans to say Edwards should remain in the race. This likely reflects the underlying reluctance of Republicans to say that any Democratic candidate should stay in the race.
"As you may know, Elizabeth Edwards, wife of presidential candidate John Edwards, has
had a recurrence of cancer. In your view, do you think John Edwards should --
[ROTATED: stay in the race for president (or) drop out of the race for president]?"
Mar. 23-25, 2007
Should
Stay In
Should
Drop Out
No
Opinion
%
%
%
Republicans
43
40
17
Independents
60
27
13
Democrats
68
22
10
That's 2 polls showing approval.
This poll shows that among Democrats and Independents there is overwhelming approval of Edwards' decision. Even among Republicans, there is 43% vs 40% approval.
posted on April 4, 2007 07:47:09 PM
Besides that Bear from you posts I am sure your far from knowing what a "real man" is.
If a real man is one that hides his assets in his wifes bank account & brags he has nothing in his own name to avoid paying taxes, your right, I dont know any of them.
Butt then, your idea of a "real man" is your hero LD.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on April 4, 2007 07:55:30 PM
A Little Story About John ''Munchhausen'' Edwards
By Rene Guerra | Published 03/25/2007
A Little Story About John ''Munchhausen'' Edwards
No one dares to say it, for in a politically correct world where the "mainstream" media are the current version in American life of the Holy Inquisition, one gets immediately roasted for saying things as they truly are.
But I am tough! (hee, hee, hee) And, besides, the "mainstream media" won't spend an square inch of newsprint crushing a nobody like me.
Thus, I will speak up! I'll call it for the way it is!
The leftist, and consequently pro-Democrat, "mainstream" media don't stop obsequiously fawning about "John Edward's titanic courage in staying in the race" despite his wife’s metastasized cancer.
Courage?
Give me a break! From a consummate trial lawyer who made tens of millions from manipulating facts in the courts? From a leftist demagogue (forbid the redundancy). From John Edwards?
In lay language, it is called utilitarian cynicism. Shrinks call it Munchhausen Syndrome by Proxy. That is, a manipulative individual using the predicaments of a close person, usually a relative, to draw pity, sorrow, sympathy, and kindness--not for the suffering person, but for the manipulative scoundrel.
That creature, Edwards, doesn't even how to spell decency, let alone courage.
John Edwards expects that the illness of his wife will shield him from the de rigueur attacks that being a presidential pre-candidate draws.
What a sorry president Edwards would make. But after Slick Willy, I suppose that anything goes!
Rene Guerra is a Silicon Valley software and electronics engineering consultant, who enjoys writing about politics and current events.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on April 4, 2007 08:04:52 PM
Yep....that's EXACTLY what edwards is doing. Using his wife's illness for his political gain.
He doesn't stand a rats chance to getting the dem nominiation. But this sure gives him free 'air' media time. And as was previously said....you watch...it will continue to be brought up in ALL camera time he's given.
posted on April 5, 2007 01:35:24 AM
"Rene Guerra is a Silicon Valley software and electronics engineering consultant, who enjoys writing about politics and current events."
This is one man's opinion. Fabricated or Induced Illness (FII) is the formal name of a type of abuse in which a caregiver feigns or induces an illness in a person under their care, in order to attract attention, sympathy, or to fill other emotional needs. It is also known as Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. How does this relate to John Edwards? Is Mr. Guerra implying that her condition is a fabrication? Or, is he implying that Mr. Edwards caused his wife's cancer recurrence? Polling is dismissed out of hand, but I am supposed to take what Mr. Guerra writes seriously? He doesn't even know the definition of Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy!
posted on April 5, 2007 01:51:22 AM
"Yep....that's EXACTLY what edwards is doing. Using his wife's illness for his political gain."
How EXACTLY do you know this? What is your thought process in coming to this conclusion, other than ESP? If he had decided to run after the diagnosis was made, you may be able to infer that he is using his wife's illness. He was a candidate before she was diagnosed with a recurrence. The Edwards made the announcement in a forthright manner, but have not saturated the media talking about it. Had they tried to keep Mrs. Edwards' condition to themselves, there would have been complaints that they were trying to hide this information in order to help his candidacy. Nope. Your theory is hogwash.
posted on April 5, 2007 05:34:38 AM
When bill suffered his heart attack and had surgery/recovery time.....even old hillary took time off work to be with him. lol
She cancelled all her appointments/obligations and didn't attended senate meetings.
SHE choose where SHE placed HER priorities too, as most spouses do at times like these.
That's what edwards did at FIRST - said he was going to SUSPEND his campaign. Then quickly changed his mind.
"How EXACTLY do you know this? What is your thought process in coming to this conclusion, other than ESP? If he had decided to run after the diagnosis was made, you may be able to infer that he is using his wife's illness. He was a candidate before she was diagnosed with a recurrence. The Edwards made the announcement in a forthright manner, but have not saturated the media talking about it. Had they tried to keep Mrs. Edwards' condition to themselves, there would have been complaints that they were trying to hide this information in order to help his candidacy. Nope. Your theory is hogwash.
Yes, it's hogwash; garbage fed to hogs. The hogs suck up their garbage from Republican spinmasters and vomit it here... garbage in, garbage out..
Can you imagine linda or bear using logical reasoning?
posted on April 5, 2007 05:44:49 AM
And here's old hellen. Got up on the wrong side of the bed AGAIN this morning.
No need to 'imagine' it, hellen....we use 'logical reasoning' all the time.
You just can't grasp EMOTIONAL issues well. You're too DETACHED. This issue is a matter of ones priorities and FEELINGS.....not logic anyway.
Our HEARTS tell us what is more important to us....our loved ones or our career. For ME....it's NEVER a job.
It's being with those I love, ESPECIALLY when they've been diagnosed as TERMINAL and time with them is UNKNOWN.
posted on April 5, 2007 06:07:43 AM
Linda, That is what you would do. Others do it differently. Whatever works for you is the right course. Mrs. Edwards is a different person from you and me and anyone else. It may be torture for her to sit home and prefers having as active a life as possible. Besides, right now she is not feeling sick and may not have ill effects from treatment, depending on what treatment she receives. There may come a time, far in the future or next week, when these facts will change. If and when that happens, they can reconsider their decision.
Note that comment from linda... The elderly calling me old hellen. Then note the fact that she is making an effort to counteract her TOTAL lack of empathy or compassion with an effort to transfer her faults to me. What a nut!
posted on April 5, 2007 06:21:18 AM
coincoach...have you not read anything I've posted about this being their decision to make?
I've stated it over and over.
It's MY opinion that he's got his priorities VERY mixed up. Few, IMO, who have spouses who have been diagnosed with terminal cancer and who are FILTHY rich and COULD devote their time and energy to their dying spouse - would choose to go to work.
It's all a matter, IMO, of different value systems. IMO, his - in making this stupid decision is very screwed up. I believe in time....when she is gone....he'll regret this decision. Maybe he won't....IF he's that cold hearted. I never took him to be that way before....but I sure do now.
There are NO more important things in our lives that our loved ones - the time we have with them. Time spent with them is PRECIOUS above all else....and certainly above political ambitions.
It's sad he's chosen this path.
And don't fool yourself about therapy might not be to bad for her/hard on her.
Read about stage 4 cancers. If they treat them aggressively it's REAL tough....even if she weren't going through anything else. And her death is only a matter of TIME...which he chooses to give to his political career. tsk tsk tsk
posted on April 5, 2007 06:31:00 AM
They have obviously chosen the path together as they have clearly indicated.
As Edwards gains support I am sure that your spinmasters will come up with another tacky spin and that you, like a good little hog will run with that hogwash too.
