posted on April 12, 2007 07:20:31 PM newThat's what makes America so GREAT. Banning free speech makes us MORE like the Chinese communist nation.
Yes, but you are against flag burning - which is a form of free speech. An act that has been upheld by the USSC. It is you and your fellow Republicans want to limit that "free speech" by passing an amendment outlawing flag burning.
So it would appear that you are no better than the Chinese communists.
Typical hypocrite. You only want the "free speech" when it is things you believe in.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 12, 2007 08:57:09 PM new
To try to understand exactly how and when the boundaries are crossed from free speech to hate speech when it comes to law I read Wikipedia and now I better understand why there are so many differing opinions being given in the last few days. Hate speech that is considered a criminal offence in different countries is also addressed.
posted on April 12, 2007 09:09:56 PM new
And then, showing your total lack of intelligence, there was your "pedphoiles" (what are those , aluminum foot covers?) LOL!
And then there's your "puberity"...duhhhhhh....
Hey, have you read a book, a whole book, in the last 50 years ???
posted on April 13, 2007 03:53:37 AM newOh SUCK IT UP, ld.. TRY and pretend you're a man and not a crybaby.
How hysterical. If anyone around here is the CRYBABY, it is is you. I am not the one who is keeps telling people what they say is vulgar. I am not the one who was saying their free speech was violated when they got kicked off the OTWA.
YOU ARE THE BIGGEST WHINER AROUND HERE. IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR WAY YOU COMPLAIN AND COMPLAIN AND COMPLAIN. THIS IS NOT THE REPUBLICAN STATES OF LINDA.
NOW GO CHANGE YOUR DIAPER AND PUT THE PACIFIER BACK IN YOUR MOUTH.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 13, 2007 03:56:27 AM new"Taking offense to speech is an arbitrary response."
EXCEPT WHEN IT IS DIRECTED AT YOU LINDA. Then suddenly it is vulgar and vile in your eyes and when nobody else agrees with you, then everyone else is sticking up for the hate speech.
IT IS TIME YOU START LIVING BY YOUR OWN RULES.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 13, 2007 07:30:23 AM new
Don't sweat it Linda. We have Demomorons like mingopig and logansdunce here complaining about all of the hurtful things written here and yet they are the biggest violators.
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If it's called common sense, why do so few Demomorons have it?
posted on April 13, 2007 09:10:40 AM new
Imus was a household name in New York before anyone even heard of Howard Stern.
My dad enjoyed listening to him for his entertainment value ~ he was one of the first shock jockeys on AM radio.
I remember about 25 years ago, seeing the billboards all over NY advertising that "AM66 got back 'The Best Disc Jockey It Ever Fired'".
Imus is not a politician or a jounalist, he is a radio host. Jerry Springer et al have much worse on their shows, nemreous comedians are broadcast daily with words that could never make it past my lips.
I'm confident that the advertisers and sponsers were fully aware of his typical program content ~ each time he's been fired, he brings in more $$.
He made a mistake and crossed the line, he admitted it and would like to move on.
Personally, I think it was probably a media ploy.
How many people knew Imus was still on the air?
Howard Stern has surpassed him.
It was just time to get Don back in the public eye.
I am not agreeing with what he said, I am merely stating that this is nothing new to Imus Talk, to those that have listened to him over the decades.
How many comedians make comments like this on a daily basis that never get mentioned?
Why is that any different?
posted on April 13, 2007 11:10:42 AM newHe got suspended from here BECAUSE of his vulgar, vile posts. He knows that as does everyone else.
So much for the free speach that Linda claims to believe in.
Exactly as I have pointed out time and time agian. Linda is all for free speech except when it is directed at her.
Speaking of vulgar and vile posts, Linda, isn't that what got you the BOOT FROM THE OTWA. I am sure they did not quick you off for your upright AND MORAL CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR. What a pitty, tsk tsk tsk.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 13, 2007 03:14:57 PM new
"So much for the free speach that Linda claims to believe in."
I understand you're slow, ld. But there IS a difference between what guidelines Vendio sets for its users and 'free speech'.
IF you believe vendio doesn't allow free speech...then take it up with them.
This is NOT a public forum....it's a BUSINESS that cares that those who use vile, vulgar posts don't REFLECT UPON THAT BUSINESS.
"Exactly as I have pointed out time and time agian. Linda is all for free speech except when it is directed at her."
No exceptions. But YOUR 'free speech' doesn't keep me from using MY free speech to oppose your filth.
"Speaking of vulgar and vile posts, Linda, isn't that what got you the BOOT FROM THE OTWA. I am sure they did not quick you off for your upright AND MORAL CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR. What a pitty, tsk tsk tsk."
Once again....another liberal LIES and lies. Not at all true and you know it ld.
But because it is your personal character that is so very very low.....because your intergrity STINKS.....you have no problem posting lies.
posted on April 13, 2007 05:05:54 PM newI understand you're slow, ld. But there IS a difference between what guidelines Vendio sets for its users and 'free speech'. IF you believe vendio doesn't allow free speech...then take it up with them.
You really are dense Linda. No where have I said anything about vendio and what can or can't be posted. I never claimed vendio doesn't allow free speech.
This is NOT a public forum....it's a BUSINESS that cares that those who use vile, vulgar posts don't REFLECT UPON THAT BUSINESS.
Exactly Linda. Now substitute OTWA for VENDIO in your rant above and you will REALIZE WHY YOU WERE BOOTED FROM THE OTWA.
"Speaking of vulgar and vile posts, Linda, isn't that what got you the BOOT FROM THE OTWA. I am sure they did not quick you off for your upright AND MORAL CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR. What a pitty, tsk tsk tsk."
Once again....another liberal LIES and lies. Not at all true and you know it ld.
Oh really Linda. The proof is all here in Jim's statement of why you were booted off the OTWA.
SINCE YOU ARE NO LONGER A MEMBER YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE POST. SO I WILL DO YOU A FAVOR AND POST WHAT JIM HAD TO SAY.
I wanted to address some of the angst here. I did receive some PMs/Emails, which doesn't change the outcome, it does push the outcome forward slightly.
I don't want to moderate crossfire, I do not have the time. This was the whole purpose of having crossfire was to remove the "moderator" from those users who wish to have heated debate. I find a big difference between heated debate and the name calling and belittling that I'm seeing now. I enjoy a heated debate, I recoil at user who cannot formulate a point without name calling. I'm not going to stop you or "moderate" name calling. Most of you are adults who I respect and have known a long time, and I urge a bit more tolerance of divergent opinions.
Crystal asked me to give Linda another month, she had asked Linda to tone it down and to not post in so many threads. This was not something that occurred, leaving us little choice and we will be removing the user from OTWA. It has become continually disruptive. I do this with regret. I do not like to remove any user. If I did have the time, I might invest it in trying to assist this forum with moderation and assist in establishing boundaries. But I don't have the time so I'm forced to only enter when there's 15 quarts of blood splattered on the walls. I wish I could invest the time, but I have to rely on you guys to do it. It didn't work this time, but hopefully next time, you'll understand how bad it did get, and try to temper it before it gets so out of control. I'd appreciate it very much if you could help me in that regard.
A few things I'd like to comment on. Most of these user to user issues are 2 way streets. I can't place all the blame on the one user, there were many people who did contribute. I don't see blaming one user, and not viewing some others as contributors.
I also know that you'll want to comment on the user removal, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't. Nothing starts a board war quicker, and I know I don't have the time for the fake user IDs and games. I'm hoping we can just say, Okay, new day, and leave the comments about the newly departed user out of it. Let's just call it a new day, and leave the past the past. If this truly is a board that you enjoy or could enjoy, then leaving it alone would be the best thing to do. Thank you in advance.
-Jim
NOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE TO TELL EVERYONE HOW YOUR RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED WHEN YOU WERE KICKED OFF THE OTWA OR ARE YOU GOING TO LISTEN TO YOUR OWN ADVICE THAT YOU POSTED ABOVE ABOUT THE OTWA BEING A PUBLIC BOARD.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 13, 2007 05:33:21 PM new
LOL....I'm sure now that the intelligent posters here can grasp what Jim said.
He and or crystal ALSO said they'd received more complaints about me that they ever had about any other poster there.
Yep....just as I've claimed all along. The wacko liberals didn't like me expressing MY views/positions, so like LITTLE CHILDREN, they proceeded to TATTLE to mommy and daddy.
Jim admitted he wouldn't even take the time to REVIEW any of what all the liberals were posting there.....like murdering out President....hoping someone shot him AND Cheney. All that type of garage talk was okay with jim.
But he does say I was NOT the only one to blame. And he's right. There were usually between 30-50 liberals addressing ME....and because I answered them....then I was posting too much.
Give me a break. Won't let me address those who were addressing me?
What kind of board is That?
One that prohibits the free speech of MOST conservatives.
I was NOT the only conservative that was banned from posting there.
All but 3-4 have been. A pattern of banning conservatives was pointed out by me AND others.
Seems like everytime a VOCAL conservative shows up...the rabid liberals start tattling...and then jim bans them.
It's a well established pattern, for jim, that many of the more moderate poster posted about, AFTER I was also banned.
And thus further supporting MY position that most liberals cannot debate their positions.....they CENSOR free speech.
Just as THREE of you liberal HERE tried to do to me this week ROFLMHO "shut up and LEAVE"
Yep.....can't debate a conservative THEN get them banned.
edited to add:
They never even had a 'rule/guideline' for "posting too much"
They had to use a 'general' excuse.
They felt me addressing each who ADDRESSED ME....wasn't working.
That's very much 'LIMITING' free speech and was just an excuse to keep the tattling liberals from FLOODING their email boxes.
Now...SUCK IT UP LD....you've been crying all day.
posted on April 13, 2007 05:39:08 PM new
And just to clarify....
I was NOT banned for posting vile, vulgar statements.
That's YOUR MO, ld. And was many of those liberals on otwa.
And I don't agree that their 'cross fire' is part of their business. I believe jim had ALREADY make it so crossfire didn't come up on search engines when anyone pulled up otwa.
posted on April 13, 2007 05:51:31 PM newI was NOT the only conservative that was banned from posting there. All but 3-4 have been. A pattern of banning conservatives was pointed out by me AND others.
That's right your buddies the rev and yellowstone were also banned for vile remarks back to Jim.
He and or crystal ALSO said they'd received more complaints about me that they ever had about any other poster there.
You are just lucky vendio isn't like Jim
And thus further supporting MY position that most liberals cannot debate their positions.....they CENSOR free speech.
It is not free speech when it is on a public board and run as a business. Once again you can not even follow your advice that you posted above.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 13, 2007 06:10:00 PM newThis is NOT a public forum....it's a BUSINESS that cares that those who use vile, vulgar posts don't REFLECT UPON THAT BUSINESS.
This forum is no different than OTWA. So how can you complain they are not public forums.
Nobody is going to buy your argument that the OTWA was censoring speech. You want to believe your free speech was VIOLATED because you COULD NOT PLAY BY THE ESTABLISHED RULES.
Time after time you whinned like a baby complaining your free speech was violated.
Even your good old friend colin was not surprised you were kicked off the OTWA. So what does that tell you.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on April 13, 2007 06:10:05 PM new
I'll put this to you a different way, SLOW ONE.
I said nothing on otwa that in ANY way shape or form would have gotten me suspended from there or here.
It's my opinions they couldn't deal with.
No disruptive behavior from me....there OR here.
And especially NOT anything like what many of the RABID liberals.
It all boils down to jim NOT wanting to take a look at what HIS FRIENDS were saying.
No more, no less.
Now ld....you going to explain why YOU WERE BANNED FOR YOUR VILE AND VULGAR POSTS?
You just like implying to others...LYING TO OTHERS that it was me, rather than YOU who was banned for being that "HATEFUL AND SICK"
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on April 13, 2007 06:18:15 PM new
"[iThat's right your buddies the rev and yellowstone were also banned for vile remarks back to Jim[/i]."
You've lost your mind.
No, it wasn't only those two who jim banned. Since you're so good at pulling up sites from everywhere...lol..how about you read and post the thread where the otwa posters were listing ALL the OTHERS that posted the names that jim also banned...who JUST HAPPENED to be other conservatives.
I mean if you're going to tell ONLY PART of the story....why not tell it ALL?
posted on April 13, 2007 07:38:41 PM new
And BEFORE they BAN all free speech -
Here's some of Coulter's humor on the Imus issue:
HO HO HO, MERRY IMUS!
April 11, 2007
The only person happier than Larry Birkhead about the big announcement that he is the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby is Don Imus. By the way, what's the word for a woman who gives birth to a child of uncertain paternity?
English speakers in America need a rule book to tell us what people can say what words when, and under which set of circumstances. The rule book will be longer than the Patriot Act and will require weekly updates as new words and circumstances are added. Perhaps a Nasdaq-style ticker would be more efficient.
Depending on which TV show you tune into, what Imus said was wrong because:
(1) His show goes out on FCC-regulated airwaves;
(2) he regularly interviews people like Sens. John Kerry, John McCain and Joe Biden;
(3) he spoke at the White House Correspondents' Dinner a few years ago; or
(4) he's not black.
Perhaps sensing that such constantly scrolling rules have a whiff of fascism about them, the scowling Miss Grundys of the world think they have hit on the perfect omnibus rule. They instruct us to "be nice." (There's a word for the grim Miss Grundys, but apparently I'm not allowed to use it. Sarah Silverman is. This will be all in the rule book.)
The requirement to always "be nice" would be the end of Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle, two of the funniest comedians in America.
Let me rephrase that: It would be the end of all humor. Even Bob Hope cruelly implied that Democrats didn't support the troops when he joked to the troops in Vietnam: "The country is behind you 50 percent."
At least we'll still be able to watch the "Charlie Rose" show! Actually, for all anyone knows, Rose is calling women "nappy-headed hos" on TV every night since no one has ever seen his show.
In addition to ending all humor, we'll lose all political debate. For Americans over 4 years old, people in the public sphere are engaged in serious arguments - over abortion, illegal immigration, how much money the government takes from you, and the pre-eminent battle of our time against Islamic fascists. The "be nice" admonition is the sort of thing stupid girls say when they can't think of anything substantive to say.
I, for one, promise to implement the "be nice" policy just as soon as the other side surrenders.
Say, does anyone remember if Winston Churchill was "nice" in his public pronouncements about Hitler? Was he even nice to his fellow countrymen with whom he disagreed?
No, I don't think he was!
This is what Winston Churchill said about the Labor Party's Ramsay MacDonald:
"I remember when I was a child, being taken to the celebrated Barnum's Circus, which contained an exhibition of freaks and monstrosities, but the exhibit on the program which I most desired to see was the one described as 'The Boneless Wonder.' My parents judged that the spectacle would be too demoralizing and revolting for my youthful eye, and I have waited 50 years to see The Boneless Wonder sitting on the Treasury Bench."
And guess what public figure was constantly accused of making "outrageous" remarks, trading in "insults, trashings and character assassinations"? Of what public figure was it asked: "Who can examine this record of insults and say that here is a man of class?"
That's right: Ronald Reagan. Those particular quotes are from Washington Post columnists Richard Cohen and Colman McCarthy.
Was Reagan "nice" to the Soviets? They certainly didn't think so. The Soviets constantly denounced Reagan as "rude," and our dear friends at the BBC upbraided Reagan for his "rude attacks" on Fidel Castro, Nicaragua and the Soviet Union.
Post columnist McCarthy indignantly charged that Reagan had "put down an entire nation - the Soviet Union - by calling it 'the focus of evil in the nuclear world.'"
Oh dear! Reagan wasn't "nice." No wonder he never accomplished anything.
One more item for the delusional Miss Grundys still obtusely citing Reagan as their model of "niceness": As governor of California, Reagan gave student protesters at Berkeley the finger.
Remember that next time you ask yourself: "What would Reagan do?"
People who are afraid of ideas whitewash Reagan like they whitewash Jesus. Sorry to break it to you, but the Reagan era did not consist of eight years of Reagan joking about his naps.
The reason people don't like what Imus said was because the women on the Rutgers basketball team aren't engaged in public discourse. They're not public figures, they don't have a forum, they aren't trying to influence public policy.
They play basketball - quite well, apparently - and did nothing to bring on an attack on their looks or character. It's not the words Imus used: It would be just as bad if he had simply said the Rutgers women were ugly and loose.
People claim to object to the words alone, but that's because everyone is trying to fit this incident into a PC worldview. It's like girls who say, "It's not that you cheated on me; it's that you lied about it." No - it's that you cheated.
If Imus had called me a "towheaded ho" or Al Sharpton a "nappy-headed ho," it would be what's known as "funny." (And if he called Anna Nicole Smith a "flaxen-headed ho," it would be "absolutely accurate." But he attacked the looks and morals of utterly innocent women, who had done nothing to inject themselves into public debate.
Imus should apologize to the Rutgers women - and those women alone - send them flowers, and stop kissing Al Sharpton's ring.
This wasn't an insult to all mankind, and certainly not an insult to Al Sharpton. Now, if Imus had called the basketball players "fat, race-baiting black men with clownish hairstyles," well, then perhaps Sharpton would be owed an apology.
posted on April 13, 2007 08:27:24 PM new
Zoomin, you have some valid points and I respect them. Linda K's drunken posts will no longer be read by me, so I will not respond to them. This is not a debate of freedom of speech, it is a debate of economics. Imus did have the the right to use poor judgment in his racially-slurred comments against decent, hard-working college women (NOT public figures!) The public has a right to recoil in disgust and refuse to buy products from the show's sponsors. The sponsors have a right to disassociate themselves and cancel their support of Imus's program. The network has the right to dismiss an unprofitable show. American capitalism is working!
[ edited by pixiamom on Apr 13, 2007 08:33 PM ]
posted on April 13, 2007 08:40:18 PM new
LOL....one problem with pixiamom's theory. lol
Imus wasn't given enough time for all that to actually 'play itself out'.
They FIRED him BEFORE that theory happened.
edited to address pixiamom's FALSE accusation.
Boy...liberals just fall all over themselves to post LIES about conservatives. tsk tsk tsk
"Linda K's drunken posts will no longer be read by me, so I will not respond to them."
I for one, hope you CAN keep that promise. People who slander people they don't even know...and lie about them....don't have the character traits I'd want to discuss anything with anyway.
WOW.....we all know pixiamom CAN'T prove her LIE....but it sure doesn't keep her from posting it.
How quaint.
[ edited by Linda_K on Apr 13, 2007 08:46 PM ]
posted on April 13, 2007 08:51:00 PM newI said nothing on otwa that in ANY way shape or form would have gotten me suspended from there or here.
Just like the people in prison are all innocent, yeah right.
I am sure Jim woke up one morning and just decided to boot your behind for no reason.
No disruptive behavior from me....there OR here.
Funny you were booted after being warned about your offensive behavior. You simply do not know how to follow the rules of the sites you belong to. Why don't you admit it?
You just like implying to others...LYING TO OTHERS that it was me, rather than YOU who was banned for being that "HATEFUL AND SICK"
BANNED - That is funny Linda. I am still here. Do you know what banned means. Which board have I been permanently kicked of of.
Guess again who was banned from the OTWA. It certainly was not me. You must be look at yourself in the mirror again Linda.
listing ALL the OTHERS that posted the names that jim also banned...who JUST HAPPENED to be other conservatives.
Yep it would seem like none of you could play by the rules of the board, unless you call swearing at the board host playing by the rules (no this was not you, but your so-called moral friends).
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
Are YOU a Bunghole?
