posted on April 19, 2007 12:44:20 PM
I've got company coming so this will be my last post for a while.
"When I speak of young people that are entering marriage before they are mature enough to make the right choices: they are the one's who feel as you do, that it is what they are supposed to do."
LOL....now you're even speaking for what **I** felt/feel. WRONG, Zoomin. I got married because that was a VALUE to me....a choice **I** made. NOT because I was 'supposed to'.
LOL.....
"They keep remarrying ~ trying to do what has been forced upon them by society ~ to be married and have kids and live happily ever after. Too quick to marry, too quick to get out."
No....society has long since 'forced' marriage on anyone. It was their CHOICE then...and their choice now.
"[i]Marriage is an option.
Marriage is not mandatory[/i]."
I agree. No one said differently.
"[i]Why do these people feel the need to commit?
It is not a 'real' feeling, it is why they have been brought up to believe[/i]."
Yes, what they have been brought up to not ONLY believe but that THEY hold as a VALUE.
"[i]I believe in marriage.
I also believe that people need to be independent on their own before they can successfully become part of a couple[/i]."
I agree that both should be prepared to take care of themselves....that doesn't change a thing in their decision making processes.
But most women AREN'T prepared to do just that. All those teens who were setting NEW records for childbirth OUT OF WEDLOCK....sure weren't able to take care of themselves....let alone their children. The taxpayers were then forced to do so.
Where were the liberal feminists SCREAMING at their lifestyle choices....at THEM becoming more and more DEPENDENT of BIG BROTHER to take care of their every need? No where to be found.
posted on April 19, 2007 12:59:34 PM
Great posts Zoomin, Kiara, and Roadsmith!!!!
Luckily there are so many more of like thinking people than the frightened ilk of linduh's.
Roadsmith you hit on something I've noticed, too....the young women of the "skipped" generation...it's historical. Feminists make real gains in one generation and the next starts taking them for granted and then there is a backslide. Three steps forward and one step back...
I presume linduh's next "point" will include immigration or a baby polar bear.....
posted on April 19, 2007 04:25:19 PM
"To grow up believing it is God's way is to believe that it is NOT a choice, NOT an option, but an expectation."
Sure it's a choice. And a choice many refuse to make a part of their own value/moral system. A choice YOU might not agree with...but one that has been the foundation of our society for most of our existance.
"Feminists fought to help women become prepared and to become independent."
No, again we disagree. Women made those choices on their OWN....not because some feminists preached sleeping around and acting just like young boys were allowed to do.
Acting as IF the consequences of their sleeping with every frank, dick and harry was a-okay. That's led to nothing except men not wanting to commit. That's where the old saying 'why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free' comes from.
And our rates of STDs have only increased because of this behavior. Our infertility rates have increased because of these same STDs. They're now found orally too. Many now can't be treated with drugs. Many women having to deal with cervical cancer from sleeping around.
Oh yea...the feminists movement sure has help society slide down this 'anything goes' slope.
It hasn't been a positive at all. It's negatives outweigh it's positives.
And now, as this article points out....more and more women are being fed the false garbage that we don't even need men to have children anymore.
Some will buy into this liberal feminist thought-process....much to the detriment of our society.
posted on April 19, 2007 06:10:51 PM
Hahahaha! Well we didn't get the baby polar bear but she's agettin' close
Oh BoY! Now it's feminists who are causing sexual promiscuity and STD's LOLOL!
And I bet it's only feminists who club baby seals , too!!!!!
linduh, you two-bit loser...you haven't answered one question about the rights that feminists obtained for you...coward ! Just can't take time out from your hate trip to see reason, can you?
Keep up the Fascist BS....it's what you do best......Hate Women ! , Hate Gays !, Hate intellectuals !...oh, ya, you'll be their poster child.....
posted on April 19, 2007 08:50:17 PM
I'm still waiting for an anti-man, bra-burning, anti-family, sex-crazed feminist who sleeps with every 'frank, dick and harry' to show up here and give us her point of view about how she's been able to neuter men and cause the downfall of society.
posted on April 21, 2007 08:38:55 AM
Canada lost its most well-known feminist about a week ago. June Callwood was a journalist, an activist, an author, a pilot, a wife, a mother and a grandmother.
She established Casey House in Ontario, the first hospice in the world to provide support and palliative care for HIV/AIDS patients. She also founded a shelter for youth and one for women in crisis.
This lady did tons of good work and was known as "Canada's Conscience". She was truly an amazing woman coming from poverty and she celebrated life and family right up until her death.
posted on April 21, 2007 09:22:53 AM
Thank you for the post Kiara!
Here is just one example out of thousands of the women that people like linduh choose to demonize !!!!!
The story of this FEMINIST is worth posting:
June Callwood Biography
Fit your dream to what should exist, and should be possible.
--June Callwood, 1924-2007
June Callwood, C.C., O.Ont., LL.D.
June Callwood, journalist, author and activist known as "Canada¹s Conscience", died peacefully in the care of her family and close friends, after a courageous and well-spent life. She was 82.
Carrying with her the memories of an adverse and impoverished childhood, combined with her fierce intelligence and immense compassion, Callwood inspired all of Canada for more than six decades through her words and actions. She had a roll-up-your-sleeves pragmatism and could accomplish anything she set her mind to, all with grace and style and never without a sense of humour. She loved Canada, loved humanity, and most of all loved children. Speaking of her adoration of babies in a 1988 interview, she said "I think that they're so perfect… They're just full of God, if God is your goodness and your decency and your capacity for affection." But besides her strong convictions, what she credited with giving her the most joy and strength was her family. She was devoted to her four children, Jill, Brant, Jesse and Casey; to her five grandchildren, Bree, Emma, Marie, Lucy and Jack; and to her partner in life, her husband Trent Frayne.
From the beginning and over the course of
their 63-year marriage,
Frayne encouraged her in her work, finding happiness in her successes. Of his support, so unusual in the those days, Callwood said,
"He's never felt that if I grew, he would be smaller."
Their marriage withstood some immense tragedies, including the death of their beloved son Casey, killed by a drunk driver in 1982.
She did not grow up with a model for a happy home life. Born in Chatham, Ontario on June 2, 1924, Callwood spent her childhood in the village of Belle River. Her mother was the daughter of a Metis bootlegger and her father was the son of a magistrate. Their marriage was deeply troubled, and despite the affection shown to her by her grandparents, Callwood's childhood was marked by adversity. They were desperately poor, moving at night from one house to another, the sheriff taking their furniture. "It all flooded back how it hurts to see people eating when you haven't eaten for a day, or two, or three… For the rest of your life, you feel that everything you have can be taken away from you and you can be hungry again," she was to later recall2. Her childhood came to an abrupt end when her father left the family and she was forced to drop out of high school to earn an income. She launched her career at 16 as a cub reporter at the Brantford Expositor, earning $7.50 a week, half of which she gave to her mother for rent. In the midst of World War Two, at the age of 18, Callwood moved to Toronto and talked her way into a job as a reporter at The Globe and Mail. It was there that she met Frayne, a sports writer. They married when she was 19. She continued to use her maiden name,
as The Globe and Mail did not employ married women at the time.
Growing into one of the most exceptional and respected voices in Canada, Callwood was a proud career journalist and writer, and a founding member of the Writer's Union of Canada.
She achieved acclaim and a loyal following for her nearly 2,000 articles and columns for newspapers and magazines including Macleans and Chatelaine. She was the host of several television programs, including CBC Television's In Touch and VISION TV's
National Treasures. She was a sought-after ghostwriter, quietly sharing her talent on behalf of many celebrities, including penning the best-selling Barbara Walters autobiography, How to Talk with Practically Anybody about Practically Anything. These were lucrative projects for her, but she felt proudest of the dozens of books written under her own name and concerning issues about which she felt impassioned, including Love, Hate, Fear, and Anger (1964), Canadian Women and the Law (1973), Portrait of Canada (1981), Emma: A True Story of Treason (1984), Twelve Weeks in Spring (1986), Jim: A Life with AIDS (1988), The Sleepwalker (1990), June Callwood's National Treasures (1994), Trial Without End: A Shocking Story of Women and AIDS (1995), andThe Man Who Lost Himself: The Terry Evanshen Story (2000).
But Callwood was not content to simply write about the injustices she came across as a journalist: she felt compelled to help. Her activism spanned a myriad of causes, from poverty and illness to freedom of expression, to women and children in crisis. She had a knack for exposing the tears in Canada's social fabric, and envisioning ways to mend them. She started by founding Digger House, a shelter for homeless youth, in the late 1960's. She went on to found Nellie's, one of Canada's first shelters for women in crisis, in 1974, and Jessie's Centre for Teenagers in 1982. In 1988, she founded Casey House Hospice, named after her dear lost son. Casey House was the first hospice in the world to provide support and palliative care for people with HIV/AIDS, at a time when little was yet known about the disease and the ignorance and fear surrounding it were intense. Deeply affected by participating in the care of Margaret Frazer as she was dying of cancer, an experience she chronicled in her book Twelve Weeks in Spring (1986), Callwood had come to the strong conviction that when a person is dying, they should do so according to their own wishes, surrounded by loving caregivers. Her goal for Casey House was to establish a place of medical excellence in the treatment of HIV/AIDS and, most importantly, a place of love and compassion.
Callwood's gentle manner and graceful beauty belied her rock-steady resolve, even at the centre of controversy. In 1968 she was arrested and briefly spent time in the Don Jail after siding with homeless Yorkville kids in a battle with police. She co-founded the Canadian Civil Liberties Association and Feminists Against Censorship, wading into bitter debates about pornography and freedom of expression. She was a vocal founding member of PEN Canada and Maggie's Toronto Prostitutes' Community Service Project, and fought for women's right to reproductive choice at a particularly contentious time. But perhaps the most painful conflict in Callwood's life as an activist came when she found herself at the centre of a firestorm in 1991 while on the board at Nellie's, when a number of women she considered friends failed to stand up for her in the face of unfounded allegations of racism. "Nobody asked what happened," says Callwood, "you didn't have to do anything in those days. You just had to be in the way of legitimate rage. It woke people up...but a few of us got our heads kicked in."3 The controversy forced her to withdraw from public life for a time. Although many who knew her defended her vigorously, and some vindication came her way when she was awarded the Harmony Award in 2003 for her work in fighting discrimination, she was deeply wounded. Callwood did eventually return to her work despite the damage done to her reputation, focusing most particularly on fighting child poverty as a spokeperson for the Campaign Against Child Poverty. It was during this low period, in her seventies, that she found a way for her spirit to soar again by learning to pilot glider aircraft. "I wanted something to get above the muck and I guess I did it more literally than most people,"4 she said.
Callwood always seemed surprised by the many honours she received. When she was informed in 2004 that the City of Toronto intended to name a street after her, her only request was that it be a street near where children play. There is also a park named in her honour. She was a patron, chair or board member for over 80 different events and organizations. She served as a judge for numerous literary and media awards, including the Governor-General's Non-Fiction Award. She lectured at numerous Canadian universities, and received 17 honourary degrees. The June Callwood Professorship in Social Justice at the University of Toronto was created on the occasion of her 80th birthday. She was awarded a Doctorate of Law from York University and was appointed by then Ontario Attorney-General Ian Scott as a lay bencher looking into complaints review. Her countless awards include the Order of Ontario and all three ranks in the Order of Canada, Canada's most prestigious civilian award. The citation recorded when Callwood was awarded the rank of Companion reads, "Her dedication and commitment to the plight of those in need serve as an example for all Canadians." Premier Dalton McGuinty recently announced that the Outstanding Achievement Award for Voluntarism in Ontario will from now on be named in June's honour. She was known to laugh at the irony of all these accolades for a high-school dropout-"with a criminal record," she was always quick to add.
Dubbed "Canada's Conscience," "Canada's Mother Theresa" and "Saint June" by the media,
Callwood generally shied away from organized religion. "I am missing a formal religion, but I am not without a theology, and my theology is that kindness is a divinity in motion,"
she said in a 2005 speech delivered as the first lecture in the June Callwood Professorship in Social Justice at Victoria College at the University of Toronto. She fervently believed that if one witnesses injustice, one must intervene. Above all, she carried with her a deep love of humanity. In a 2006 radio interview, she said, "Most people will do anything to help a child and that's the way the human race is meant to be. We're meant to be a tribe. And when it works, it just makes your heart leap."5
CBC Television, A Storybook Marriage January 11, 1983.
Dublin, Anne. June Callwood: A Life of Action. Toronto: Second Story Press, 2006.
CBC Television, Life and Times November 30, 1998
CBC Television, Idols and Icons July 1, 2004
CBC Radio, Metro Morning September 1, 2006
posted on April 21, 2007 10:00:29 AM
""But it's always interesting to watch their responses when proof like this is offered....they just don't want to acknowledge it.""
posted on April 21, 2007 11:24:11 AM
Callwood had the kind of husband that I, and many of my feminist friends, have. Supportive, never threatened if we made a name for ourselves. (I'd have left the marriage long before, if he'd been any different.)
I think I can concede one thing here--that the new freedom women were feeling caused them to feel freer sexually. Funny thing is that they were just behaving the way men have behaved all along, right? But in our society, women are seen as the gatekeepers, the moral ones who don't have sex outside of a good relationship, AND WHO LOOK THE OTHER WAY when boys will be boys.
Right now I think both sexes need to clean up their acts. My strong hunch is that lots of sexual partners before marriage can make the married partners restless for more variety, esp. when things aren't going smoothly in the relationship. I honestly believe that some form of abstinence is the right thing, when young, but our culture is sending tidal waves of sexual messages to them and it must be hard to resist.
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Dogs have owners, cats have staff.
posted on April 21, 2007 01:57:19 PM
""But it's always interesting to watch their responses when proof like this is offered....they just don't want to acknowledge it.""
posted on April 21, 2007 08:25:53 PM
More DEMONS...be verrry afraid...it's soooo scary !!!!!
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Civil rights and labor attorney elected to Congress from New York City in 1970.
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Social reformer who created Hull House in Chicago slums, starting an American settlement house movement to help the poor.
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First female Secretary of State and the highest ranking woman in the U.S. government.
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Poet, author and early Civil Rights advocate.
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American suffragist. Anthony worked tirelessly for the woman suffrage movement. She lectured on women's rights and organized a series of state and national conventions on the issue. She collected signatures for a petition to grant women the right to vote and to own property. During the Civil War Anthony worked toward the emancipation of the slaves. In 1863 she helped form the Women's Loyal League, which supported U.S. president Abraham Lincoln's policies. She registered to vote in Rochester, New York, on November 1, 1872. Four days later, she and fifteen other women voted in the presidential election. All sixteen women were arrested three weeks later, but only Anthony was brought before a court. Between 1881 and 1886, she and Stanton published three volumes of the History of Woman Suffrage, a collection of writings about the movement's struggle.
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Social reformer and writer. Born in England. Worked to improve social and industrial conditions for women and girls in England
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America's first woman doctor, was admitted to New York's Geneva College as a joke in 1847. She overcame taunts and
prejudice while at medical school to earn her degree in 1849, graduating at the top of her class. After American hospitals
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Educator and abolitionist. First black woman to enroll in and graduate from Howard University Law School and first black woman
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A Canadian feminist who led the fight to obtain full suffrage for women, she was also the president of Quebec League for Women's Rights from 1929-1948.
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American woman suffrage leader, born in Ripon, Wisconsin, and educated at the State College of Iowa. She was an organizer and lecturer for the woman suffrage movement. She was president of the National American Woman Suffrage Association from 1900 to 1904 and of the International Woman Suffrage Alliance, which she helped to organize, from 1904 to 1923. She was reelected president of the national association in 1915, retaining this post until her death. Catt's campaign achieved success in 1920, when all American women won the right to vote. In the same year she participated in founding the National League of Women Voters. In the 1920's and '30's, Catt was active in the cause of international peace, serving as head of the National Committee on the Cause and Cure of War from 1925-1932.
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Artist. Born Judy Cohen in Chicago, IL. She helped found the Feminist Studio Workshop in Los Angeles. Most famous for the unusual, large exhibition called 'The Dinner Party' in the late 1970's.
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Writer. Born in St. Louis, Mo. Regular contributor of feminist short stories to literary journals. Her novel 'The Awakening' (1899) shocked many people with its portrayal of a young woman's sexual and artistic longings.
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Kentucky's first female governor and first woman to chair the National Conference of Lieutenant Governors.
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Born in the U.S., a famous author and known feminist. She wrote the best-seller, "The Feminine Mystique" and challenged traditional roles of women. Cofounder and president of the National Organization for Women (from 1966-1977). She co-founded the First Women's Bank and convened International Feminist Congress in 1973.
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U.S. writer famous for her writings on feminism and labor. ("His Religion and Hers", "The Crux".
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Director of Women's Rights project of the American Civil Liberties Union and argued many cases before the Supreme Court. She was appointed to the Supreme Court by President Bill Clinton in 1993.
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Founder of Mt. Holyoke, the first college for women, in 1837.
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U.S. labor leader and reformer, born in the U.S. She led and organized factory reforms and unionized female factory garment workers; founding member of NAACP; active in civil rights and women's suffrage movements.
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American feminist and abolitionist, born in West Brookfield, Massachusetts, and educated at Oberlin College. Noted as a lecturer on women's suffrage and as an advocate of the abolition of slavery. A leader of the American Woman's Suffrage Association, she founded (1870) the Woman's Journal, the chief publication of the women's movement. Until her death she edited the journal, assisted by her husband, the American abolitionist Henry Blackwell. Stone created controversy by retaining her maiden name after her marriage as a symbol of a woman's right to individuality. Those who followed her example came to be known as Lucy Stoners.
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A runaway slave and the conductor of the "Underground Railroad," which helped many other runaway slaves. She rescued over 200 slaves. She has been distinguished as the only woman in American military history to plan and execute an armed expedition against enemy forces.
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Writer. Born in England. Work includes 'Thoughts on the Education of Daughters' (1787), 'The Female Reader' (1789), and 'A Historical and Moral View of the Origins and Progress of the French Revolution' (1794). 'A Vindication of the Rights of Women' (1792), which challenged Rousseau's ideas of female inferiority, is a classic of liberal feminism.
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A pioneer on Wall Street
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""But it's always interesting to watch their responses when proof like this is offered....they just don't want to acknowledge it.""
posted on April 24, 2007 09:57:24 PM
sorry for the delayed response but...
"To grow up believing it is God's way is to believe that it is NOT a choice, NOT an option, but an expectation."
Sure it's a choice. And a choice many refuse to make a part of their own value/moral system.
Isn't it a contradiction to say that something is "God's way" and then claim it is to be a choice?
To do other than what is "Gods Way" is to go against God or to make the 'wrong' choice? Your statement leaves no room for choice other than to be immoral (if one is religious).
Actually, a FEMINIST would see marriage as a true choice, one that is chosen because it is a value, not because it is Gods Way.
"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free" is a sexist remark.
Feminism is about equality and independence, not sex (that's just a bonus )
posted on April 27, 2007 12:02:38 AM
""But it's always interesting to watch their responses when proof like this is offered....they just don't want to acknowledge it.""
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