posted on April 19, 2007 04:22:51 PM new
Helen, you're as full of ship as usual. I start a post about Imus receiving a kiss of death from Kerry and it is you demoRATs that turn it into a Kerryfest on his supposed accomplishments.
Kerry will never accomplish anything, ricing on the coat tails of Teddy and Theresa. He has proven himself to be a traitor to the American people and its soldiers.
The only reason he refuses to release the remainder of his personnel records is because he KNOWS it will reveal him to be the fraud he his.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on April 19, 2007 05:59:17 PM new "Kerry has yet to release ALL his personnel records relating to his medals, in spite of his saying he would. What was available on his web site was only a partial release of those records."
Actually, Kerry has released his records and you may read about it here....
posted on April 19, 2007 08:02:42 PM new
Not so fast helen.....
"We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to examine his full and unexpulgated [sic] military records at the Navy Department and the National Personnel Records Center."
"Instead he executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously indicated its records did not include various materials."
"This is hardly what we called for."
If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then answer questions such as:
(1) Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise);
(2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and 1971 with the North Vietnamese?
(3) Why did he receive much later citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said he did not know of them;
(4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart (when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating Surgeon Louis Letson, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under unknown circumstances.
Remember, O'Neill heads a group whose members praised Kerry, so he can hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan.
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taken in part from the WSJ editorial section....AFTER kerry supposedly released his records ONLY to his home town 'newspaper/supporters'.
NOT to the press....nor the public.
Not the same as releasing it to the general public and you know it HELLEN.
[ edited by linda_K on Apr 19, 2007 08:17 PM ]
posted on April 20, 2007 08:43:43 AM new
Did Kerry really release Navy records? - (John O'Neill issues challenge; Kerry unresponsive)
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES ^ | JUNE 9, 2005 | THOMAS LIPSCOMB
A front page story in the Boston Globe claimed that: "Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records." In another Globe story Kerry had promised "The truth in its entirety will come out." But did it?
Kerry's election hopes faltered last summer and fall as accusations of fraudulent and incomplete military records were aired. The fact that Kerry repeatedly refused to sign a single-page military form called the Standard Form 180, that would have released all his military records to the public, was taken as proof he had something to hide.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth head John O'Neill, who raised many of the charges against Kerry during the campaign, was challenged by Kerry on "Meet the Press" in January. Kerry promised he would sign his Standard Form 180, but he wanted former Swift Boat officer O'Neill to sign as well.
All depends on how it's filled out
O'Neill did sign it and provided copies to the Chicago Sun-Times. According to O'Neill, "The Standard Form 180 could release 'the full military and medical records.' Or it could release just a few. It all depends on how it is filled out and where it was sent."
"There is nothing magic about signing a SF 180," said former Naval Judge Advocate General Mark Sullivan. "It is sort of like your checkbook. You can fill out a check for one dollar or a million. It is the same check form."
"And the Globe story says Kerry sent it to the Navy Personnel Command, which is only a limited storage location. So it is not surprising that the Globe then notes that what they received was largely 'duplication' of records previously released. The Navy Personnel Command primarily stores a subset of service records rather than a person's full military records. There is no doubt there are a lot of after-action records missing from what Kerry has released," said Sullivan.
Kerry's not talking
Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs has already found a discrepancy confirmed by the Department of the Navy of "at least a hundred pages" missing from those already disclosed by Kerry.
"If you take a look at my SF 180," O'Neill said, "you will see I have authorized the total release of all my records to anyone requesting to see them. But without seeing how Kerry's SF 180 was filled out, everyone is only guessing about what was released."
So how an SF 180 is filled out is as important as signing it. But no one in the press has yet claimed to have seen a copy of Kerry's SF-180. When asked if she had a copy of Kerry's SF 180, the Globe's Managing Editor Mary Jane Wilkinson said, "I haven't seen it, and I don't know if anyone here has."
Kerry's Senate offices could not provide a copy of the Kerry SF 180 and would not answer inquiries. Is it possible that Kerry filled it out wrong or sent it to the wrong place?
O'Neill made Kerry an offer. "I'll be happy to bring one to Kerry's office and help him fill it out. And then we can take mine and his and deliver them to the right place together to make sure, as Kerry puts it, 'the truth in its entirety will come out.' "
Now that the Boston Globe has in its possession what it claims are Kerry's "full military and medical records," is the Globe ready to make these records available to the public? Wilkinson replied, "It is my understanding that Kerry will release these papers to anyone else now that he has signed the Form 180. The Boston Globe is not going to make available the papers we have received."
Thomas H. Lipscomb is a senior fellow at the Annenberg Center for the Digital Future at USC.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
