posted on May 24, 2007 10:24:10 AM new
kiara has changed her position and now believes we shouldn't withdraw?
lol I doubt it.
And withdrawing IS admitting defeat....admitting failure....whether SHE believes it or not. LOL LOL LOL
Radical liberals are quitters. tsk tsk tsk
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on May 24, 2007 10:24 AM ]
posted on May 24, 2007 10:31:29 AM new
Thank you Helen. Keith Olbermann usually hits the nail on the head as far as I am concerned. Politics has generally become a disgrace in this country. I am all for compromise, but not sellout....not with thousands of American troops in jeopardy while these blowhards' main concerns are winning political points. You are right..John Edwards is looking better and better.
posted on May 24, 2007 10:34:01 AM new
Yep, the dem party sure has 'sold out' those who recently elected them THINKING they'd get us out of the war.
They FAILED to get enough support to do that, haven't they? lol I'm happy.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on May 24, 2007 10:39:58 AM new
Of course you're happy, linduh....more deaths of Americans, more maimed Americans, more carnage, more bloodshed in Iraq lasting forever...and none of it affects YOU...naturally you''re happy. You can watch in glee as people are blown apart endlessly!
Congratulations! America has moved even closer to your Fascist ideals.
posted on May 24, 2007 11:18:06 AM new
Again, you don't speak FOR me sybil.
I'm happy because there aren't enough in our democratic congress to support the wishes of those who are dying to see America admit defeat. To have America humiliated once again. As they did during the VN war.
I'm happy there aren't enough radical liberals in congress who want to RETREAT/SURRENDER to our enemies.
I hope that day NEVER comes.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on May 24, 2007 11:20:58 AM new
Yes, I will speak for you...you are too cowardly to come out and DIRECTLY say what you have implied in thousands of posts.
Of course you're happy, linduh....more deaths of Americans, more maimed Americans, more carnage, more bloodshed in Iraq lasting forever...and none of it affects YOU...naturally you''re happy. You can watch in glee as people are blown apart endlessly!
Congratulations! America has moved even closer to your Fascist ideals.
posted on May 24, 2007 11:25:06 AM new
Oh, here we go with the "you're a liar" defense of the indefensible!
Oh right, linduh...keep screamiing how anyone who nails you to wall is a liar...
""Of course you're happy, linduh....more deaths of Americans, more maimed Americans, more carnage, more bloodshed in Iraq lasting forever...and none of it affects YOU...naturally you''re happy. You can watch in glee as people are blown apart endlessly!
Congratulations! America has moved even closer to your Fascist ideals.""
linduh, ""You've done that since you first came to this board.""
posted on May 24, 2007 11:26:18 AM newTo have America humiliated once again. As they did during the VN war.
It seems that you want to live in the past. Vietnam is over and America did not end, did not parish after pulling out of Vietnam.
The doom and gloom predictions coming from the Republican party are getting old and pathetic. What else do you expect from the chicken hawks. They follow chicken little to much - the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on May 24, 2007 07:36:08 PM new
Mentioning VN is NOT living in the past.
It's LEARNING from the past.....past mistakes we made by leaving VN as we did.
Whether you agree or not most in the dem party are willing to continue fighting this war BECAUSE they have learned from our sudden withdrawal from VN.
We also learned that our enemies WERE ready to give up....but since the liberal left was gaining ground on demanding our withdrawal....they hung in there.
But since you DON'T know your history nor can you grasp the consequences of repeating that same mistake....it's no wonder you'd see things the way you do.
The fact that you can't see a difference between the communists we fought against in VN and the enemy we fight now....should come as no surprise for those who read your constant ignorance posts.
The AQ ALREADY 'came here'. And they're promising they're coming again. A threat the communists in VN NEVER did nor said they were going to.
The fact YOU can't see the difference only comes from your lack of LEARNING from history.
But now it appears YOUR party IS willing to continue this war, so even the majority of YOUR own leaders don't see the importance of this war in the same way you liberals here do.
For that, I am thankful.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on May 24, 2007 07:38 PM ]
While Democrats agreed this week to strike U.S. troop withdrawal deadlines from a $120 billion military-funding bill, many vowed to renew the fight this September when funding again runs out. Even House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, who helped craft the compromise with Republican leaders and White House officials, suggested that she might vote against the Iraq war money.
Democratic disappointment is understandable, but misplaced. For while many Democratic officials believe that last November's election was a mandate to end the war in Iraq and bring U.S. troops home as quickly as possible, the American people do not.
A poll for the American Security Project conducted by Marttila Communications during the first week of May (a portion of which is available at www.americansecurityproject.org) reveals that only 28 percent of Americans support a timetable to remove all U.S. troops within a year.
By contrast,40 percent of Americans favor removing troops only after Iraq has a basic level of security, while 30 percent more want troops to stay or even increase in order to "get the job done."
In fact, 48 percent of Americans are more concerned that "Democrats will pull American forces out too quickly, thereby strengthening the terrorists" compared to 41 percent who are more concerned that Republicans will continue "a failed policy" and keep our forces in Iraq too long.
Those who think that supporting a timetable is key to winning the Democratic presidential nomination are also mistaken.
Compared to 42 percent of Democrats who want to pull out all U.S. troops within a year, 46 percent of Democrats want troops to stay until Iraq is stabilized, and another 9 percent want troops to stay or increase. Political consultants who argue that the Democratic "base" wants an immediate pullout forget that even Iowa caucus voters, for whom opposition to the war in Iraq was the most important issue, voted in greater numbers for 2004 presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry than for candidate Howard Dean. Congressional Democrats must stop using funding resolutions to register discontent with President Bush's failed policies. For as Kerry discovered after he voted against the $87 billion supplemental, no matter how hard Democrats try to portray their votes as pressuring the Bush administration to change course, they will always be vulnerable to charges of undermining the mission and the troops.
Just as importantly, Democratic leaders must stop talking about Iraq in terms of defeat and withdrawal, and start defining a realistic victory and a plan to achieve it. Nearly 8 out of 10 Americans believe that Iraq is in a civil war, according to the ASP poll, and nearly two-thirds don't want U.S. troops involved in it. The challenge is to develop a policy that can sustain U.S. popular support by reducing the exposure of U.S. troops, while increasing security in Iraq and the region. As National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley concluded six months ago, the al-Maliki government is incapable of resolving tough political issues. Predicating future funding on Iraq achieving political benchmarks is setting up the Iraq (and the U.S.) government for failure. And because conditions can always be spun as improving, predicating funding on a presidential certification that the surge is working also makes no sense.
Popular voting has been one of Iraq's few democratic achievements. To succeed, a peace process must by-pass the paralyzed Parliament and let Iraqis determine their own fate. The Iraqi Constitution mandates a popular referendum by the end of this year to resolve whether Kirkuk should be part of Kurdistan. The U.N. mandate for coalition forces also expires at year's end. In addition to the Kirkuk vote, Iraqis throughout the country should decide whether they want a strong central government as envisioned by President Bush or a partitioned nation along sectarian lines as Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., and others have proposed. At the same time, Iraqis -- not the Parliament -- should vote on whether to have coalition forces stay. To expedite matters, the United Nations should run the elections. Finally, Democrats should take steps to stabilize the region, including more funding for refugees and military assistance to countries such as Lebanon and Ethiopia that are fighting al Qaeda affiliates.
The ASP poll reports that a majority of Americans (including Democrats) support partitioning Iraq. If Democrats present this as their Plan B, Americans will stand with them. But if congressional Democrats continue voting for withdrawal and a funding cutoff, even many Democratic voters will find it difficult to support "defeat."
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Peter Charles Choharis practices international law in Washington, D.C. He is an adjunct fellow at the American Security Project and a visiting fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
This article appeared on page B - 7 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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And in from now until September the radical dems can CLAIM, once again, they'll end the war THEN.....when the time comes imo, they'll only repeat exactly what they've done this time. They'll find ANOTHER excuse to give for why they just couldn't get enough votes to actually withdraw our troops. LOL LOL
They're ALL TALK....many promises....and almost NONE of them what they'll actually accomplish. Like their promise of getting us out of Iraq...just elect them. LOL LOL LOL
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on May 25, 2007 11:14:59 AM newIt's LEARNING from the past.....
You want to talk about learning from the past. Perhaps you should realize why the Vietnam War was fought. The Vietnam War was fought to stop the spread of communism - to stop the fear of communism expanding in the area. Well Vietnam is still a communist country today and is doing fine. All the fears of the day never came true. The people of Vietnam established their country they way they wanted.
We also learned that our enemies WERE ready to give up....but since the liberal left was gaining ground on demanding our withdrawal....they hung in there.
Please provide more details as to when and what event you are referring to.
The fact that you can't see a difference between the communists we fought against in VN and the enemy we fight now....should come as no surprise for those who read your constant ignorance posts.
You are the ignornant one that refuses to believe that had been reported by senior military officials and members in the CIA - that Bush's assertion that the terrorists will strike us here if we pull out are OVER EXAGGERATED. Much like most of what Bush has claimed. This war has been nothing but slogan after slogan from the Bush administration. I know it is much easier for you to take a slogan for the truth rather than the actual facts.
And they're promising they're coming again
Why because that is what was broadcast on some jihad website that you follow and take for fact? I guess you do not believe Bush has made this country safe from future terrorists attacks if you feel that way.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on May 25, 2007 11:29:32 AM new
For me the MOST surprising thing about the liberals giving in to President Bush's' - 'no withdrawal time-lines' - was how FEW democrats actually voted against the bill.
To hear the liberals here talk, and to hear what the MSM prints and has broadcast on their TV news, people would be given the FALSE impression that 'time-limits' had/have almost the full support of most libs/dems.
When in FACT:
Clinton and Obama were among the 14 senators who opposed the funding bill, which Congress sent to President Bush late Thursday.
ONLY 14?
ROFLMHO
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on May 25, 2007 11:39:17 AM newIt's LEARNING from the past.....
McCain learned a few things about Vietnam, maybe Bush should have listened to McCain a little more:
McCain, a former Navy combat pilot, also spoke about Vietnam, outlining some of the lessons he drew from that war:
• "The American people's patience is not unlimited, and you cannot continue to prosecute a conflict indefinitely if the people don't support it."
• "You should not mislead the American people. You should tell them the unvarnished truth, and if you don't, they're going to become cynical and suspicious and, over time, fail to support this kind of conflict, which entails our greatest sacrifice of American blood."
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on May 25, 2007 11:45:41 AM new
ROFLOL at ld's total IGNORANCE about McCains position on staying in Iraq...not retreating etc.
gawd...can one be MORE dense? Nope....ld takes the ribbon on that one. tsk tsk tsk
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on May 25, 2007 12:08:45 PM new
You are an idiot Linda. You are going to dismiss what McCain said because you can not handle the truth behind what McCain said. No where did I say those statements advocated McCain suggesting we stay or pull out of Iraq. We were talking about learning from past wars or did you forget about that so soon.
It is obvious that you can not read what is written. You should go back to school and take some reading comprehension classes.
Are you going to disagree with either of these two statements from McCain.
• "You should not mislead the American people. You should tell them the unvarnished truth, and if you don't, they're going to become cynical and suspicious and, over time, fail to support this kind of conflict, which entails our greatest sacrifice of American blood."
• "The American people's patience is not unlimited, and you cannot continue to prosecute a conflict indefinitely if the people don't support it."
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on May 25, 2007 12:26:29 PM new
Your ignorance is legendary, ld.
Your inability to grasp what's posted here, by many, is pointed out all the time.
These are YOUR issues....and yours alone.
McCain was sought out by the LIBERAL kerry to run as his VP.
Now, one would THINK you'd understand the reason for that. HINT: McCain is NOT a conservative.....although he IS a republican who DOES support this war...and has SO stated over and over and over again.
Because there are a couple of issues he differs with the President probably ONLY comes as a surprise to YOU. LOL LOL LOL
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on May 25, 2007 12:27 PM ]
posted on May 25, 2007 12:43:37 PM newYour inability to grasp what's posted here, by many, is pointed out all the time
This coming from the one that STILLS BELIEVES IN A CANADIAN LANGUAGE AFTER BEING PROVED WRONG ON FIVE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. You are really dumb Linda. It is you that can't grasp anything.
Linda it is you that fail to grasp what McCain said in the statements above. You continue to bash anyone that speaks out against the war and you wonder why people want to end this war NOW. You fail to see that McCain believes the president and the military need to be honest to the American people and lied to about what is going on just like what happened in Vietnam and what is currently taking place in Iraq.
Furthermore, people gave Bush the benefit of the doubt about the Iraq War at first but despite all the promises made by Bush and Company, the American people will not support him forever. This happened in Vietnam and is happening now in Iraq.
I take it you do not see either the relevance or the importance of these two statements. You can not win a war if you do not have these two things. I know you are two stupid to make the connections of learning from the past wars to avoid situations in the future.
You really can not put two and two together. Can you do any thinking on your own or is your program set to self destruct soon?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on May 25, 2007 01:13:57 PM new
Nope...I'm not self-destructing at all.
But the more and more the voters recognize that the dems aren't doing much of ANYTHING they promised they'd do IF IF IF they were elected.....the dem party will self-destruct on it's OWN. lol
And the voters and other DEMS ARE starting to notice....and write articles about JUST that FACT. lol
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When in FACT:
Clinton and Obama were among the 14 senators who opposed the funding bill, which Congress sent to President Bush late Thursday.
ONLY 14 ld, OUT OF 100 senators....a dem controlled congress, ld. LOL
ROFLMHO
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on May 25, 2007 01:21 PM ]
posted on May 25, 2007 01:18:11 PM new
Linda_K
posted on May 25, 2007 12:26:29 PM
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Your ignorance is legendary, ld.
Your inability to grasp what's posted here, by many, is pointed out all the time.
These are YOUR issues....and yours alone."""
Translated from "linduh" to the truth:
"""You are right and I am wrong so I will haul out that old phrase about how YOU can't "GRASP" it!"""
posted on May 25, 2007 01:24:10 PM newNope...I'm not self-destructing at all
So she is just naturally stupid then. Well that would explain a lot.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
And come Sept. the CIC will make the decision on whether or not we'll withdraw or not. Not the gutless liberal congress who could have done what the PROMISED American's they do IF IF IF elected. LOL LOL LOL
Hopefully they'll see liars for what they are....liars, who will say or do anything to get elected. But rarely have much follow through. tsk tsk tsk
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on May 25, 2007 01:31 PM ]
