posted on May 26, 2007 12:08:05 PM new
Ho-hum, I think I''l explain the obvious to the "Thing That Will Never Learn".....
"""What I also see is that most of you radicals never say anything negative about these communists leaders....nor those liberals who HUG them for the cameras. Nope you support their positions also.
Never see you raging at any of our enemies...their leaders etc...like you do against your own nations policies"""
See, it's like this ....MOST people understand what leaders like Saddam are all about, it goes without saying among NORMAL people. In this case it was the Iraqis who should've been yelling the loudest....as in this country it's the citizens' responsibility to yell the loudest when they feel their leaders are wrong.
The only things I've seen YOU rage against are the Muslims and your fellow Americans...oh, and the DIRE threat of Communism (spooky, threatening music here)
Now please list ALL the nasty dictators in the world and rage against them or I will think you're for them....remember, EVERY ONE!!!!
posted on May 26, 2007 12:28:34 PM new
Helen....whether one, anyone, denies their 'party' affiliation doesn't mean a thing, really.
Like you deny being a communist. but your support their platform:
ie: [taken from the CPUSA website]
As for issues, the CPUSA calls for free universal health care, elimination of the federal income tax on people earning under $60,000 a year, free college education, drastic cuts in military spending, "massive" public works programs, the outlawing of "scabs and union busting," abolition of corporate monopolies, public ownership of energy and basic industries, huge tax hikes for corporations and the wealthy, and various other programs designed to "beat the power of the capitalist class ... [and promote] anti-imperialist freedom struggles around the world."
What can't be denied is that both you, sybil and at times rusty support JUST those positions. Along with positively praising dictators/communists like castro/etc.
One does not have to be registered to a particular party....to fully support their VALUES/IDEALS and want to CHANGE America to be more like what Mao/Stalin/etc professed as the 'way to go'.
posted on May 26, 2007 12:30:52 PM new
Linda, you probably missed my question on the previous page.
Do you deny being a Fascist?
Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing collectivistic ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism. He wrote in The Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism:
Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity.... The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value.... Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number.... We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the nineteenth century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State. (a version of the text is here).
posted on May 26, 2007 12:37:47 PM new
Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing collectivistic ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism.
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I do oppose socialism and the platform of our current liberals.....yes.
I support democracy AND indiviudalism...which I don't' see the liberals supporting at all.
They work and want more American's DEPENDENT on our fed/state gov. I don't.
I'd like to eliminate all but two or three responsibilities of our fed gov. I'd like to see all the rest handled according to what the people of each state want/vote for.
No, I don't see myself as a fascist. LOL
And I certainly don't see liberals as working towards individuals being self-sufficient...rather just the opposite.
I am NOT an internationalist in most sense of the definition. I am an American FIRST and then willing to help the rest of the world.
I do NOT support your ideals of one global world....where the UN controls the US/ has ANY control over our sovereignty. As I believe you are VERY willing to do.
posted on May 26, 2007 12:40:50 PM new
During the McCarthy era, I could understand a communist or a socialist evading the question of their political affiliation. But now, why would anyone who has adopted a political ideology claim to be another? Most people who have chosen a political stance have no qualms about stating their preference. I am a Democrat. What are you?
You have some strange opinions about people here...you mention statements that were never made, opinions that were never stated and you persist in efforts to speak for others. Your effort to shade the truth by using such fabrication is easily recognized.
posted on May 26, 2007 12:42:15 PM new
And, since this thread IS about hillary.....I am hopeful that ONE of these three books WILL point out her early affiliation with lawyers who defended the communist party members.
I truly believe our early adult belief systems stick for our lifetimes. Not that all things remain the same. But since hillary chose to intern for the communists lawyers.....defended them in her thesis....even praised one of their leaders....I fully believe, along with her present platform, that she too supports socialism FULLY and even some of the communists ones from her college days.
I AM hopeful this will be brought out AGAIN and AGAIN before the elections.
posted on May 26, 2007 12:44:59 PM new
I answered your question helen.....now answer mine.
Which of the polities/platform from the CPUSA that I listed have you NOT posted you agree with???? LOL
Imo, you've agreed with almost all of them in the threads over the years.
As for issues, the CPUSA calls for free universal health care, elimination of the federal income tax on people earning under $60,000 a year, free college education, drastic cuts in military spending, "massive" public works programs, the outlawing of "scabs and union busting," abolition of corporate monopolies, public ownership of energy and basic industries, huge tax hikes for corporations and the wealthy, and various other programs designed to "beat the power of the capitalist class ... [and promote] anti-imperialist freedom struggles around the world."
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And IF I were to post the platform of the socialist party of america....you posts would have agreed with even MORE of their policies/goals.
posted on May 26, 2007 12:58:42 PM new "And I certainly don't see liberals as working towards individuals being self-sufficient...rather just the opposite."
Actually, generous funding of education, especially early education is a step toward self-sufficiency. There will always be people who lack the economic equality necessary to survive in this country. And for them, welfare and support is necessary.
Welfare programs support more than poor families. They support price supports for farmers, the oil depletion allowance to petroleum companies and tax relief to corporation, tax deduction for home mortgage interest pensions paid to the elderly benefits for veterans and low interest government loans for students.
Tax deductions on home mortgages is worth about 50 billion annually...twice as much as the government provides in food stamps to low income people.
As for issues, the CPUSA calls for free universal health care, elimination of the federal income tax on people earning under $60,000 a year, free college education, drastic cuts in military spending, "massive" public works programs, the outlawing of "scabs and union busting," abolition of corporate monopolies, public ownership of energy and basic industries, huge tax hikes for corporations and the wealthy, and various other programs designed to "beat the power of the capitalist class ... [and promote] anti-imperialist freedom struggles around the world."
What can't be denied is that both you, sybil and at times rusty support JUST those positions. Along with positively praising dictators/communists like castro/etc.""
Slowly for the hard-of-comprehending:
1. I never praised Castro.
2. I DO believe the following and you can call it anything you want. I call it a GOOD plan.
"""universal health care, taxing those who make the most with the highest taxes (fair taxation), free college education (THE BETTER EDUCATED A COUNTRY IS THE STRONGER IT IS), ACCOUNTABILITY in military spending, NEEDED public works programs, the outlawing of "scabs and union busting," abolition of corporate monopolies, public ownership of energy and basic industries, huge tax hikes for corporations and the wealthy.
I have posted the 14 points of Fascism several times. linduh has never denounced them nor raged against them.
Therefore , using her "reasoning" , she supports Fascism.
And many many of her posts are Fascist.
I have never "raged" against kitten juggling either but it doesn't mean I'm for it
posted on May 26, 2007 01:09:26 PM new
Helen there is a longer list from the communist party's website. Why are you avoiding admitting that most of THOSE you have supported?
Instead you choose to bring up other areas not mentioned. Your typical MO as spaz pointed out to you. tsk tsk tsk
We've POURED BILLIONS of money into education and things aren't getting better. Most all that money is going to the teachers unions...for salarkies, shorter working days/hours and benefits for THEM....not our children.
And there was a study done that disputes your implied improvement for our pre-school children.....another SOCIALIST program you support. Most programs you support ARE socialist programs.
The study showed that the benefits first noticed soon disappeared - about 3rd grade. So there were no long term benefit of getting that head start.
As you and I argued in another thread....when the socialist/liberals in office were trying to propose day care....before and after school....so the liberal teachers unions could have ALL day to indoctrinate our children to the ways of liberalism....lol..lol. And the proposal called for it to be FREE to all children. Even the ones that could and are currently paying for their own children's care themselves. lol
Your long, long list of social programs you support have no end. But you usually are against anything that allows American's to decide where they want their OWN funds to go. Like their own SS acounts...so they OWN what they've paid into for all those years. But NO....in almost all those cases, YOU and other socialists/liberals believe the gov. can do a better job of deciding how we should spend our own money. Like we're children, who can't save, can't plan and can't decide for ourselves. That's closer to communism than you care to admit, I know. But YOU support it.
Now how about you answer WHICH of those communist party positions that you have NEVER disagreed with. LOLLOL
Avoiding doing so for any particular reason, helen?
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on May 26, 2007 01:14 PM ]
posted on May 26, 2007 01:22:16 PM new
Oh.....lol lol lol
all of a sudden, when helen's asked to answer a question.....she finds somewhere to disappear to. LOL
The MO of the liberals here. Demand their questions get answered....or you can't.
But when they do the same....oh...that's okay and fully acceptable.
Come on hellen....tell us which of those communists positions you HAVEN'T supported all these years.
LOL LOL LOL
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
I have advocated universal health care...not "free" health care.
I do believe that if education were free and if a greater distribution of funds towad education were implimented that the benefits to this country would be tremendous!
I've never stated that I object to military spending. You may think that since I am generally anti-war that therefore I don't believe in a good military defense. This is NOT true.
I support labor unions and certainly don't respect scabs or union busters but "outlawing" such efforts would not be in keeping with the Bill of Rights. "Union busting" is simply not good business and those who practice it will have to deal with an inferior work force, in my opinion.
I haven't advocated "abolition of corporate monopolies, public ownership of energy and basic industries, huge tax hikes for corporations and the wealthy, and various other programs designed to "beat the power of the capitalist class ... [and promote] anti-imperialist freedom struggles around the world."
Linda, most people have invested a lot of time and careful thought in reaching their political beliefs. Why on earth do you believe that anyone would then lie about their beliefs? I am a liberal and I am a Democrat. If I were a Communist or a Socialist, I would say so.
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