profe51
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posted on July 8, 2007 03:16:38 PM new
Also from the above C/P.
"Whatever occurred in the past almost surely occurred much more slowly," said Raymond S. Bradley, director of the Climate System Research Center at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. "Human activity is pushing warming at a much faster rate than in the past. Change is occurring in decades or centuries, not over millennia."
Nuff said.
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Linda_K
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posted on July 12, 2007 09:49:37 AM new
ROFLOL
gore can't even keep his own rhetoric/garbage straight. 
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20070706181453.aspx
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Bear1949
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posted on July 12, 2007 01:18:28 PM new
Just heard a new term that describes those (and gore himself) who get off on this fantasies:
Its called a Gore-gasm
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
[ edited by Bear1949 on Jul 12, 2007 01:20 PM ]
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coincoach
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posted on July 12, 2007 04:24:45 PM new
I just wonder what motivates you guys to talk about Gore as though he were the second coming of Hitler. There are differing opinions about global warming (or climate change)with reputable scientists on both sides. How can you be so sure that global warming will not be a problem in the near or far future? Even if you see no reason to take steps to cut down on environmental pollution, how can you be so smug that you are right and the other side is wrong? You think that there is no proof of danger, but you have offered no proof that there is no danger. You have politicized a potentially very serious problem.
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Linda_K
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posted on July 12, 2007 04:46:14 PM new
For me it would be because I've lived long enough to remember when the environmental extremists like gore, were claiming we humans were the cause of the COOLING the earth was experiencing.
It's all about keep their paychecks.
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etexbill
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posted on July 12, 2007 04:58:17 PM new
coincoach, From what I see on TV lately and read everywhere, global warming is a moot point. Now, everywhere I look there is an article, TV show, or speculation that the earth will be kaput on 12/21/2012 anyhow.
According to the Mayan calendar, the alignment of the planets, etc.
Look it up.
There, that should make everyone feel better about global warming.
[ edited by etexbill on Jul 12, 2007 05:00 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on July 12, 2007 05:20:15 PM new
I doubt that any intelligent being will accept a forecast based on the Mayan system twenty three hundred years ago in preferance to findings based on modern science. Surely there is nobody that ignorant here?
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coincoach
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posted on July 12, 2007 06:52:33 PM new
I saw that TV program, etex. Interesting, but hardly scientific proof. I take it your post was tongue-in-cheek.
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etexbill
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:04:24 PM new
No, no tongue in cheek. Helen, read up and get with the latest. There are thousands of articles on Google regarding this. Scientist say the Mayan calendar is much more accurate than ours. Its not the only source mentioned by far. According to astrologists and scientists and NASA, the planets and , the sun will be in an alignement that has never occured and they could cause the magnetic poles to shift (again) with devasting effects. At least according to the articles. Proof?? Of course not, but interesting. Who knows.
coincoach, that program is only one of many I have seen lately.
Edited for spelling again and again and I still haven't got them all.
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[ edited by etexbill on Jul 12, 2007 07:07 PM ]
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coincoach
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:05:11 PM new
"For me it would be because I've lived long enough to remember when the environmental extremists like gore, were claiming we humans were the cause of the COOLING the earth was experiencing."
That short-lived 1970's theory never had significant scientific support. It was mostly media generated. On the other hand, global warming has very significant scientific support.
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etexbill
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:09:19 PM new
"coincoach, that program is only one of many I have seen lately"
Enough to make me wonder how many cults will form that will be making ready for the big day. It's happened before.
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coincoach
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:09:48 PM new
I see....you give scientific credence to the ancient Mayans, seers and astrologers, but discount dozens of scientific leaders who believe global warming is an imminent threat.
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etexbill
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:15:19 PM new
I haven't said a word about what I believe on global warming. Read back. I said it was a "moot point" and then discussed the theory (mainly in a joking way). But some scientists also believe in the 12/21/2012 theory as the programs and articles state.
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etexbill
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:17:08 PM new
coincoach, why not global warming. It's happened before. Ice, then melting, then ice, then melting. Nothing is permanent.
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coincoach
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:32:27 PM new
Yes, that's true. But, as was said in another thread, scientists feel it is happening at a much faster rate than has occurred naturally in the past.
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etexbill
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:45:13 PM new
So, it probably is. But what can we do about it? I know all about the burning of carbon deposits, etc. But that is not going to change, at least in our lifetime. If we get one country to limit its discharges, another will start, (China and India).
So I don't get my panties in a wad. Life is too short. (And you'll probably say, yep, especially with global warming an iminent threat).
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kiara
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:50:58 PM new
So I don't get my panties in a wad.
Guys with guns wear panties? 
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etexbill
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:53:45 PM new
You would be surprised kiara.
You should see me in kilts, (with my big gun).
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kiara
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:57:44 PM new
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coincoach
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posted on July 12, 2007 07:59:12 PM new
Now, that would be a sight to see! I hear everything is big in Texas.
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etexbill
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posted on July 12, 2007 08:20:27 PM new
Yep!!
Edited to say "I wish". LOL
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desquirrel
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posted on July 12, 2007 08:37:44 PM new
"I doubt that any intelligent being will accept a forecast based on the Mayan system twenty three hundred years ago in preferance to findings based on modern science. Surely there is nobody that ignorant here?"
Why not? People go into hysterics over receding glaciers that have receded 50 times in the past.
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Helenjw
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posted on July 13, 2007 05:24:39 AM new
"Squirrel asks, "Why not? People go into hysterics over receding glaciers that have receded 50 times in the past."
Squirrel, nobody is going into "hysterics". Reasonable, informed people are concerned about the consequences of an unprecedented rate of global warming which is casuing those glaciers to melt at an accelerated rate.
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etexbill
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posted on July 13, 2007 08:02:02 AM new
So you are concerned. What are you going to do? Worry and be concerned. That'll sure help. Do something!!
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etexbill
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posted on July 13, 2007 08:06:05 AM new
So Helen, there is not much you can do is there except be concerned. That is really helping (to elevate your blood pressure).
Live in the moment, that's all you have.
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desquirrel
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posted on July 13, 2007 09:53:49 AM new
There is no solution to the problem because the current crop of hysterics are not prepared to do what is necessary to achieve anything. The best they can come up with is Kyoto which hurts their own country greatly until the gross polluters "catch up". These people cannot in their right minds think the Chinese or underdeveloped areas are going to clean up voluntarily.
They use technology "buzzwords" like biodiesel, hydrogen and ethanol and think there are answers here because they do not calculate the cost/pollution of the entire CHAIN in the use of these. The owner of a McDonalds can run on FF oil because he has it and otherwise would throw it away.
They decree "just make better batteries" for cars and hybrids when we've been researching that for 100 years. And of course how do you charge these batteries: power plants, the #1 polluters on the planet.
Their favorite whipping boy is autos where the leaps in technology in cleanliness is almost geometric. This in spite of the fact that any change here takes a decade to be felt (car fleet lifecycle) and cars are a very small percentage of the total.
If these people were serious, a major commitment to nuclear power gives the biggest improvement, in the shortest amount of time, with the least issues.
Now we can hear from the whack pack everything they don't know about nuclear power.
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mingotree
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posted on July 13, 2007 11:49:08 AM new
I think the Mayans reached 2012 and just got writer's cramp and decided "let's quit, who needs this sht anyway"...
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Helenjw
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posted on July 13, 2007 11:51:15 AM new
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