posted on August 2, 2007 06:51:19 PM new
"Etex..so you edited out your statement that you had hopes for me???
LOLOL! You ARE a wimp."
The statement is still there in black and white, unedited, helen.
OK, that does it Helen. You have become as bad as mingo. You are so busy trying to think of something so cute to say when you are reading, that you don't understand what is being said.
posted on August 2, 2007 06:58:10 PM new
Maybe the same as to be shown up as an idiot with your statement. Change the suject again, helen. And don't even mention your error. Try putting the blame on someone else. It didn't work for kiara, and it won't work for you.
posted on August 2, 2007 07:11:50 PM new
Pitiful example of lib thinking. We are having a good discussion on topic. Libs can't disagree with the facts as presented, so they jump in to change the subject, do a little insulting, make a fool of themselves in an error they can't confess to or won't excuse and then try to exit with some lame statement that has nothing to do with the topic.
posted on August 2, 2007 07:17:50 PM new
Yep, that's the best helen can do.
It drives her NUTS....[more so than she normally is] when any two, not on her radical left, agree with one another on any subject. That's why she's the way she is. lol It's happened much too often for her to be able to stand.
posted on August 4, 2007 07:27:06 PM new
Most of the people in that article are on fixed incomes--either Social Security or Disability. Do you want that 79 year old woman to go out and dig ditches to supplement her $600 a month income? Or the disabled mother to crawl the 20 miles to town? I'd like to see how you would do after nearly drowning, spending a few days on the roof in 100 degree weather, watching bodies float by, losing loved ones and everything you had in the world. Then, when you finally get help, you are dropped in the middle of nowhere, with little means of getting to a job, should you be able to find one. Every time you post one of these snide, I'm- better-than-they-are posts about the Katrina victims, it disgusts me.
posted on August 4, 2007 07:45:56 PM new
Good. I glad to hear that.
Because that's just how I feel everytime I read that these people who were relocated and given new homes...some given monthly gov checks for all this time are STILL whining...rather than being appreicative of what they HAVE been given for FREE.
posted on August 4, 2007 08:35:38 PM new
How very Christian of you. These people, for the most part, are elderly or disabled. They were WIPED OUT in the Katrina disaster. Lost family members. That is a trauma the majority of us will never experience, thank goodness. It is easy to sit there on your high horse and look down on these survivors. I repeat, get back to me after you have gone through what they have. In your link they talked mostly about the elderly. They receive Social Security, to which they are entitled. That is not freeloading, that is earned. The government assists any state which has a disaster--earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes--that is what they should do. But very few of past disasters can match the devastation of Katrina. These people have been given a roof over their heads, but they are not living in the lap of luxury, as you suggest. All I can say to you (and I know I am wasting my time) is walk a mile in their shoes.
posted on August 4, 2007 08:51:58 PM new
Again, you speak to yourself about what you falsely believe about MY positions. LOL LOL LOL
You're so wrong, but arguing with you won't change a thing because you're a liberal. And liberals think all are OWED everything.
Housing, food, cars, three bedrooms with three TV's....oh an don't forget all the liberals want to give to our illegal visitors also.
There is NO LIMITS to what you want to STEAL from the pockets of other taxpayers .....no limits. tsk tsk tsk
That is why so many in America feel that they are OWNED everything from our gov. Because of people like you.
There are always those in need. There always have been poor people and there always will be.
Some of us WORK hard all our lives to get out of those situations...others don't.
And the liberals are just so busy wanting to GIVE all we've worked for to others who haven't.
My solution....then give it out of your OWN pocket....don't steal from mine.
I'll generously GIVE to those I want to give to. Not all you feel need MORE than they've already been given...and expect me to pay for it. Not all who continue to have their NEEDS met...but whine for more...more...give me more.
Nope...nope...nope . This is NOT a communist Nation where all is given equally no matter who did what to earn it.
It's those who work hard....earn...and reap the benefits. Those who don't...then suffer the circumstances of being at the mercy of others. Some BEG for more. Others are never happy no matter how much they are given.
You liberals encourage this dependency on our gov. You have no problems stealing from others for your own causes. That's NOT what America was founded upon.
Bleeding heart liberals have lost their way.
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Communist motto: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
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I saw this a while back and wish all liberal candidates HAD to answer it.
"How do you plan to undo the damage you've done to the American character? You offer handouts like a pusher giving heroin to a child; you stoke the flames of envy, so that the crybabies you've helped create will demand more of their neighbor's wealth, all the while depriving them, through taxes, of the ability to care for themselves like proud, responsible individuals."
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posted on August 5, 2007 05:32:20 AM new
"There are always those in need. There always have been poor people and there always will be."
I am addressing the article from the link you provided. They are not living in luxurious homes with 3 TV's. They are living in cramped trailers 20 miles from nowhere. I am sure that they are grateful they are not still on their rooftops in NO, waiting to be rescued. They are mostly elderly and disabled. Receiving Social Security is not charity, you fool. It is earned through your work history. Even Social Security Disability is based on your Social Security work history. As for the survivors who are not in this category, after their horrendous experience, and the ho-hum attitude of the government, city through federal, before and after Katrina, IMO you can't do enough for them. America has always come to the rescue of city disasters, but it took them a week to give any kind of help in the Katrina aftermath, adding to the trauma 100 fold.
I am outta here to enjoy this beautiful day. I need some fresh air.
posted on August 5, 2007 05:46:47 AM new
"I need some fresh air"
I know exaclty what you mean
»60% of US Corporations Don’t Pay US Taxes
Excerpts from a Wall Street Journal article, with additional links below, including the actual General Accounting Office (GAO) report. Please note that this report covers the CLINTON years
Contacts your reps asap to demand harsher laws, more real enforcement, that corporations pay their due rather than us paying for them!!!! If you need info on contacting your federal reps. see http://www.house.gov/writerep/
Clinton, Hillary - (D - NY)476 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4451.
Web Form: http://clinton.senate.gov/email_form.html
Schumer, Charles - (D - NY)
313 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6542.
Web Form: http://schumer.senate.gov/webform.html
Over 60 Percent of Corporations Didn’t Pay Taxes
Large Firms Dodged Federal Taxes From 1996-2000 As Profits Soared
By JOHN D. MCKINNON, Wall Street Journal
WASHINGTON - More than 60% of U.S. corporations didn’t pay any federal taxes for 1996 through 2000, years when the economy boomed and corporate profits soared, the investigative arm of Congress reported.
The disclosures from the General Accounting Office are certain to fuel the debate over corporate tax payments in the presidential campaign. Corporate tax receipts have shrunk markedly as a share of overall federal revenue in recent years. By 2003, they had fallen to just 7.4% of overall federal receipts, the lowest rate since 1983, and the second-lowest rate since 1934, federal budget officials say.
The report examined a sample of tax information for the years 1996 through 2000; for 2000, it covered about 2.1 million returns filed by U.S.-controlled corporations and 69,000 filed by foreign-controlled corporations. It showed that big companies — defined as those with at least $250 million in assets or $50 million in gross receipts — were more likely to pay taxes than smaller ones. Still, the GAO said 45.3% of large U.S.-controlled companies and 37.5% of large foreign-controlled companies had no tax liability in 2000. More than 35% paid less than 5% of their income.
The basic federal corporate-tax rate for big corporations is 35%. But the federal tax code also offers many credits and loopholes that allow many companies to pay far less than that.
The GAO analysis of Internal Revenue Service data comes as tax avoidance by both U.S. and foreign companies also is drawing increased scrutiny from the IRS and Congress. But more so than similar previous reports, the analysis suggests that dodging taxes, both legally and otherwise, has become deeply rooted in U.S. corporate culture. The analysis found that even more foreign-owned companies doing business in the U.S. — about 70% of them — reported that they didn’t owe any U.S. federal taxes during the late 1990s.
“Too many corporations are finagling ways to dodge paying Uncle Sam, despite the benefits they receive from this country,” said Sen. Carl Levin (D., Mich.), who requested the study along with Sen. Byron Dorgan (D., N.D.). “Thwarting corporate tax dodgers will take tax reform and stronger enforcement.”
The new report also could spur further IRS action against tax-shelter peddlers and their customers. The IRS is closely examining tax-shelter deals sold by accounting firms such as KPMG LLP, for example. That firm recently experienced a management shake-up in response to the inquiry.
Conservatives depicted the GAO report as an argument for tax-code overhaul for both corporations and individuals. Dan Mitchell, a fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, also noted in corporations’ defense that they have an obligation to shareholders to pay as little tax as they legally can.
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From the Seattle Times: GAO: Most U.S. firms paid no tax in late ’90s
NY Times (subscription) In Study, Most Companies Reported No Taxes
Detroit News: Most companies duck taxes
Omaha Herald: GAO says 60% of firms had no tax liabilities
From the Christian Monitor: I’m incorporating
More in LA Times, Chicago Tribune, CNN, Miami Herald, etc., etc.
Complete text of GAO Report: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04358
Coach writes,Most of the people in that article are on fixed incomes--either Social Security or Disability. Do you want that 79 year old woman to go out and dig ditches to supplement her $600 a month income? Or the disabled mother to crawl the 20 miles to town? I'd like to see how you would do after nearly drowning, spending a few days on the roof in 100 degree weather, watching bodies float by, losing loved ones and everything you had in the world. Then, when you finally get help, you are dropped in the middle of nowhere, with little means of getting to a job, should you be able to find one. Every time you post one of these snide, I'm- better-than-they-are posts about the Katrina victims, it disgusts me.
Linda responds, "Good. I glad to hear that."
With those few words, Linda describes her character. She describes herself as frighteningly intolerant, selfish and without compassion or feeling for the poor people of New Orleans who through no fault of their own were victims of a disaster. If there is no compassion for these people who in the world would warrant Linda's consideration? The answer is nobody but herself.
posted on August 5, 2007 07:01:37 AM new
One survivor of Katrina who did not evacuate said it well-WHAT IF MONEY RUNS OUT?
Think of it!
What if money runs out?
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posted on August 5, 2007 11:02:35 AM new
"Receiving Social Security is not charity, you fool."
ROFLOL.....I never said it was. I always note that those who support more gov. dependence argue about statements never made.
I believe that's because they CAN'T discuss the issues so they switch the subject immediately by going into areas NEVER mentioned by their opposition. I call it deflection...running away from the actual point. lol
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Then helen's words only PROVE the radical, socialist minds can't think about ANY issue without it involving government intervention.
Their mindthink immediately turns to how any problem can be solved ONLY by running to the gov. [their god] to make it all better. tsk tsk tsk Grow that government...expand it to include every issue in our lives. From cradle to grave...they want to steal from some to care for others. But they can't see the consequences of those actions. It doesn't encourage people - it doesn't motivate people...it just makes them flat-line out of life....to where they can't EVER find a solution to any problem unless it involves MORE gov. and MORE taxes.
When she falsely states: "With those few words, Linda describes her character. She describes herself as frighteningly intolerant, selfish and without compassion or feeling for the poor people of New Orleans who through no fault of their own were victims of a disaster. If there is no compassion for these people who in the world would warrant Linda's consideration? The answer is nobody but herself"
.....she proves that's the ONLY solution she sees for ANY problem.
But, thankfully, not all Americans see a need to GROW big brother government. They have been raised to be self-sufficient, self-reliant and don't believe we need to continue forming more socialistic programs in order for charity, compassion nor for giving a helping hand.
We don't NEED government to do these things FOR us....we can do exactly the same WITHOUT government intervention WITHOUT more socialist/communist programs doing so.
It's sad to me that those who want to STEAL money from some and give to others can't see their OWN actions as being un-American.
Gov. is NOT needed for our poor and our needy to receive help. Nor does their form of gov. intervention do much of anything besides CREATE MORE GOV. DEPENDENCY. And then the cycle continues. MORE are dependent on gov...can't function on their own/take care of themselves because they haven't been TAUGHT that mindset in our liberal schools. They've been indoctrinated that gov. will do all for them.
They have become 'lifers'. Raised to believe everything that others have earned should also be GIVEN to them, just because they were born and still exist. Just look to their HATRED for those who have succeeded. They no longer are looked upon with admiration, as being an achievable GOAL to reach for, no, they're slammed as selfish, uncaring, etc...all the other garbage BUT most of all....BAD BAD people because they want to KEEP the money they've earned...and have others earn their own.
So what to the extreme far left who support communist ideals do? As hillary said...you TAKE [read steal] from them and redistribute the funds to others.
Gosh... better to promote/support STEALING from those they call 'rich'.....why? Because those funds can be used for all their non-ending list of entitlements.
And it's not that liberals/wackos have any more compassion or willingness to HELP the 'down and out'. But rather has long been a way to get votes. Buy them a pack of smokes, give them a bus ride to the polls or promise all sorts of gov. handouts and you'll get the votes of some who just can't approach life on an adult level. Those who remain child-like, always needing big brother to be there to make everything better for them. Just like their mommies and daddies probably did.
And always remember, there will come a point when those who EARN and are FORCED to pay for all those who won't....will reach a breaking point. I believe we're pretty close to that point now as liberals give illegals help in breaking our laws....and then support giving them the SAME gov benefits/entitlements that all others receive.
And now they're promising 'aggressive spending' if elected. I have no doubt they'll meet that goal....if no other promises they've made.
At some point you'll have to ask yourself....who's going to be the ones LEFT to pay for all this...when ALL are receiving all these 'free' entitlements the liberals STEAL from some and redistribute to their voter base.
Also remember the communist motto and IF you don't see that as the very actions the liberal left has long supported then you've got your eyes closed. BIG TIME.
This is EXACTLY what the radical liberal left is doing...and has more plans of expanding IF they are voted into power. And they CAN'T deny that is EXACTLY what they're doing, so they try and make those who are willing to help others, WITHOUT gov. intervention, appear to be the furthest thing from their 'robin hood' actions of theft.
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Communist motto: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
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Problem is it's not JUST needs the liberals want to give benefits for, it's also those whose NEEDS are met...but they WANT MORE.
posted on August 5, 2007 11:24:54 AM new
They are not all elderly on SS ,some are able body men and women with extended family,some of these families take a few apt units to fill!
Some are cross dressers and drug dealers and street walkers.
Houston is all spread out and if your only means of commuting is the Metro bus,it could take you more than an hour to get to work and that summer heat is unbearable if you have to wait for the bus!
If you never have to work in New Orleans,you dont want to work in another city spending over 3 hours just commuting back and forth for a minimum wage job.
I lived in New Orleans for 9 years,believe me,I know what I am talking about.
I will now go and pick up my Katrina neighbor who is now residing in Houston independent living place to Kroger,she has been sick and she is a night owl,she cant get out of bed early to take the van at 10 am or the van at 11 am to go shopping.
Unfortunately,early birds do catch the worms,if we go too late the place is pretty much picked over,the best cut of meat is gone,the freshest produce is gone ,so ??
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posted on August 5, 2007 02:50:40 PM new
Hey Linda!
I'm doing good and we are expecting our next granddaughter in Nov! Damn time goes by quick!
On topic: I have not kept up with the Katrina victims and any news from there, so I can't really comment.
About insurance though, we have medical and dental through his work, it is excellent insurance, but he pays almost $500 monthly, plus the company puts into it. What I wonder about, is IF we do get some kind of socialized medicine, that I wonder if people that do pay for good insurance are going to be cut off. I know that sounds like a greedy, 'rightwing' comment, but we do pay for it ourselves and have worked hard for these benefits. I guess I need to know more about the whole national medical thing that may come about someday
I am glad to hear that Helen has insurance, I really have worried about her
posted on August 5, 2007 03:10:50 PM new
Congratulations.....
My eldest granddaughter just turned 18 and graduated from high school in June. The other three are a long way off as two are just going to start kindergarten in September. YES, time does fly by.
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Imo, it's not greedy to support what's in our own best interests in regards to any political issue. American's have always voted their pocketbooks. Always.
A few retirees we know have been very worried that with the medicare drug program they might, at some point in the future, have their companies just drop them from their drug programs...telling them to use the gov. benefits instead.
And now that the left is working to not ONLY cover poor children through the SCHIPS program...but children from families with incomes up to $82,500.00 a year PLUS adults up to the age of 25...I am expecting the worse to come from that too, if it's passed. After all with almost 77% of American children already covered under private/employer insurance....most of those will now also be included under SCHIPS - when the taxpayers aren't paying for them NOW. [Again if it passes and isn't vetoed - which I'm hoping for] So there'd be no incentive for private/employer coverage to continue covering those same 77%. Let the gov. do it.
And the liberal candidates suggestions about how they'd handle the ins. issue are all over the board. But we already know what hillary was working towards. I seriously doubt she'll go far off her initial plan for full nationalized [socialist] health care for all.
I will never understand why the focus can't just remain on those who can't afford med. ins. rather than taking us down the road of more socialism.
Guess everyone wants something for free....and NOTHING is free. I hope we NEVER have 'rationed care' like the other nations do who have different forms of socialized health care plans. Imo, it's pays for everyone to have 'poor' or 'mediocre' care. I'd like to stay with mine as I'm sure millions of Americans would also - rather than get into ANY form of 'gov. run health care'.
Looking at how all our other entitlement programs have been run....that alone should convince MOST they really don't want the gov. running any health care program for them. They've all been mismanaged and are full of fraud.
Anyway....it's good to see you here again. Glad to hear all is well.
posted on August 5, 2007 03:14:34 PM new
Helen has high deductible.
But then HSA is tax deductible,she can deduct up to 3400 a year.
Helen,
I have a high deductible as well.At first I did not bother to tell the doctor office and never bothe to submit claims thinking why bother,it would not exceed 5k?
Then I found out my insurance co has contract with these doctors and hospitals and I am entitled to a 35% discount.
The proper way to do it is to tell the doctor and any medical provider my insurance policy number and they will look up the computer files and figure my rate.
For example,the surgeon office quotes me 225 on the phone for an office visit.
After the visit,the suregon said 215,then the computer said take 40 dollars from her and the insurance company said you should have paid them 135.
Yes,it would be interesting what it would be like if we have national health insurance!
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posted on August 5, 2007 03:22:30 PM new
I will never understand why the focus can't just remain on those who can't afford med. ins. rather than taking us down the road of more socialism.
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Have you ever talked to someone who works for an insurance company?
Insurance is about pooling of risk,in a basket of good and bad apples,we need more good apples and sorry to say,we need YOU,the good apple and You and YOU and all of you out there who work for good companies and offer good benefits as you are the cream of the crop !
It would be very naive to think one's monthly premium will be enough to cover any catastrople ,if we have 999 good apples and one bad apple,we can afford his medical bills of say 100,000 dollars !
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posted on August 5, 2007 03:59:35 PM new
hwahwa - yes, I worked for a medical/life insurance company. I do know the ins and outs as I paid their claims.
One of the problems we have today with the so called 'uninsured' is that many of them, a large percentage are young people who feel they're healthy enough and young enough to not need to purchase med. ins. So they remain uninsured. Not that they couldn't afford it....they just don't want to pay for it.
They are part of the list of those who are uninsured that I have posted many times.
posted on August 5, 2007 05:24:17 PM new
There are all kinds of people who are uninsured,some may decide to be self insured,skip the high premium and stash the money away.
some immigrants decide to go home and seek treatment.
some just like to live dangerously.
Some just cant afford it after paying rent,car,food,clothes,student loan whatever.
There is a bookseller on AMZN chat who runs a small bookstore and his insurance premium for the family is 1200 a month,how can he afford it,small book stores are dying?
There is another bookseller,he just diagnosed himself and order the medicine from Brazil(he must have some connection there and some medical training.I hope)
Now here is an idea for Hilary-my parents never have insurance,they live in HK and how does the HK govt pay for their bills?
They auction land,yes,land brings in good money as there aint much land on a small island.
They make land by blowing away small hills and take the rocks and dump them in the ocean and compress them to create land and every one bids on it,HEY,IT IS OCEANFRONT PROPERTY.
Now why cant we auction off Yellowstone Park,Malibu beach and Manhattan.
May be the Indians want Manhattan back!
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posted on August 5, 2007 05:45:26 PM new
There are a lot of foreign pharmacies that are on the internet. If you know what you need, you could try it. Seems a little dangerous though. And I have seen the prices for the meds, and they were absolutley outrageous.
But if you can 'self diagnose' I suppose the justification is saving the office visit charge and buying these international meds.
Wow, didn't know that about Hong Kong! Have they always done that?
You know a lot of San Fran waterfront property is built on 'boneyard' ships. (Just learned that one the other night on Boneyards on Discovery or History Channel, one of those)
and we are expecting our next granddaughter in Nov! Damn time goes by quick!