posted on August 14, 2007 11:24:43 AM new
"No C. - they're not the same. All men have to pass certain physical requirements or they are 'sent home'. Women are not required to meet those same requirements."
posted on August 14, 2007 11:27:06 AM new
"It IS enough to get a hardship deferment (according to the Selective Serive), during a draft, which we do not have now."
Point taken. No guarantee it would be the same THIS time. As new regulations would certainly be written since the selective service was eliminated. And it might or might not be usable under the new regulations/under a brand NEW Selective Service program.
THAT I would agree with.
edited to say.....so, a couple of 'he men' women might be able to carry another. That would NOT be the case on the whole. And that's what the military counts on when setting requirements for who passes muster and who doesn't. MOST ALL women would NOT pass.
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 14, 2007 11:28 AM ]
posted on August 14, 2007 11:27:53 AM new
"From this point onward, women were not only trained to use arms, but could also fire them on the job," said retired Air Force Capt. Barbara Wilson, founder of Military Women Veterans in St. Augustine, Fla.
Today, female soldiers take infantry training alongside their male companions, learning how to fire assault weapons and move under direct and indirect fire. Accounting for 15 percent of all service people and 10 percent of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, women work as engineers, truck drivers, pilots and weapons experts.
Two prohibitions hold female troops back from full parity. They are barred from positions that involve direct combat (such as serving on submarines, in the Special Forces and in infantry, armor and artillery positions). They are also barred from "collocated units" that support combat troops. A woman can serve as a medic, for instance, but not as a medic in a unit that "collocates" or supports a unit on the front line.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 11:32:25 AM new
"Two prohibitions hold female troops back from full parity. They are barred from positions that involve direct combat."
posted on August 14, 2007 11:41:49 AM new
I suppose you believe every man that is drafted would be capable of serving then.
LOL....you've 'supposed' incorrectly, AGAIN. But they do have to pass certainly requirements. NOT everyone can make the grade. Some can barely dress themselves...those they reject. LOL
Do you think every guy that is drafted wants to be there as well. I guess you do not remember the 60's at all.
Sure I remember the VN era quite well. And YOU were HOW old then? lol I know MOST of those who served were VOLUNTEERS. FACT, ld. Others stepped up, bravely and served our nation. And those cowards who ran off, like clinton did, will always exist
Now why would I be running anywhere. The military doesn't want me now for various reasons, why would they want me later?
Various reasons? LOL I could guess at some of them.
Oh please Linda, I am well aware the military does not want some crazed, over the hill mom of a military brat.
See. You can NEVER grasp the written word. I never was a military brat. It all comes from your own inability to comprehend what you read.Or your pathetic habit of making things up about me.
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 14, 2007 11:45 AM ]
posted on August 14, 2007 12:06:12 PM newYou can NEVER grasp the written word. I never was a military brat. It all comes from your own inability to comprehend what you read.Or your pathetic habit of making things up about me.
AND YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT THAT YOU CAN NOT READ AT ALL.
My statement: I am well aware the military does not want some crazed, over the hill mom of a military brat.
How does that translate into you being the military. It doesn't. It means that you are some old crazy mom who supposedly has/had a son that supposedly served in the military.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 12:19:53 PM newI know MOST of those who served were VOLUNTEERS....And those cowards who ran off
So then you would agree that not all men that were drafted wanted to be there.
But yet you claim that women will be forced into the draft might now want to serve.
This is no different than the case with men who are drafted.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 12:23:55 PM newThey are barred from positions that involve direct combat.
And if you would read what was presented you will see that many of these women are in combat situations every day in Iraq. It is just a bunch of semantics.
Your posts continue to show how you don't back up your claim about how you support our women soldiers in the military.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 12:27:23 PM newAnd those cowards who ran off
Do you mean those cowards like:
Karl Rove
Dick Cheney
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 12:45:01 PM new
I did read your 'mom of a military brat' incorrectly.
Of course that's just another example of how you 'show your support for our military'. pathetic.
The rest is garbage. The POLICY of our Armed Forces is that women are NOT placed on the front lines nor in combat situations INTENTIONALLY. Iraq has began to blur those lines...but POLICY has NOT been changed...and THAT ld, is a FACT.
READ their website....not some liberals statements. lol
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on August 14, 2007 04:31:46 PM newThe POLICY of our Armed Forces is that women are NOT placed on the front lines nor in combat situations INTENTIONALLY. Iraq has began to blur those lines...
Whatever the written policy is, these women soldiers are fighting in combat situations now and are proving they can handle the tasks. It is time the military stops living in yesteryear and updates their policy based on what these women have shown they can do.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 04:39:43 PM new
Still has NOTHING to do with FORCING women who might not want to serve to do so.
And that's just what the liberals said THEY support. SHOULD they be elected.
I hope that gives MORE voters MORE reason to REJECT them as our CIC's.
They ARE NOT being placed, intentionally, in combat positions. No matter how much you argue differently. YOU need to read their POLICY for yourself...THAT will prove AGAIN you don't have a CLUE what you're talking about, ld.
NOT A CLUE. And since you DON'T support our troops....as you posts often prove....and since you support NAMBLA they take up more of your precious time. Might spend some on our Armed Forces website and actually LEARN something.
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 14, 2007 04:43 PM ]
posted on August 14, 2007 06:15:13 PM newStill has NOTHING to do with FORCING women who might not want to serve to do so.
You have no problem forcing others to serve when they don't want to. You women want equality but then when you actually have to deal with you run and hide. Once you women actually have to do some work, you claim the work is to hard or have other excuses.
Your argument makes no sense since women are serving in the military already (yes by choice just like the entire military). Some patriot you are.
NOT A CLUE. And since you DON'T support our troops....as you posts often prove....and since you support NAMBLA they take up more of your precious time. Might spend some on our Armed Forces website and actually LEARN something
Maybe it is you that supports NAMBLA. You continue to follow their every move. Did you join their mailing list
It only makes sense that you support NAMBLA since you want take a shower with your married son and want to make incest legal again in Arkansas. Doesnt surpise me since you also make love to your dead husband's corpse.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 14, 2007 10:09:50 PM newJust to correct TWO MORE OF ld'S LIES.
ld LIED: "You have no problem forcing others to serve when they don't want to."
Totally untrue.
And his statement about me collecting SS. I don't. He's been told that a million times...but continues to LIE about it.
Nothing but a habitual liar. That's ld. Besides being vile and vulgar in his posts. And he was suspended from Vendio for his vile, vulgar posts to me about having sex with my son.
That's the character of ld. pathetic. Nothing but pathetic.
And he somehow appears to get his KICKS out of posting an old response of mine to a poster who asked me how I was doing. I'd guess so others could again and again view my email address. LOL....jokes on ld. It's been changed close to a YEAR ago. So that little underhanded trick of his won't do any good. tsk tskt tsk
IF anyone was EVER a threat at ABUSING my email address....it would be LD himself. Who at that time was threatening to send his PORNO GAY websites to flood my email address as he had done to another poster he didn't like.
What a LOW LIFE. And he proves it over and over and over again.
If women are full citizens of the United States then they have a right and responsibility to follow the law.
I F there's a draft they should be subject to it.
HOWEVER, they should then also be granted all the same rights men have...NOW! If we're trying to be fair then this country should address the inequalities that do exist and have existed for far too many years.
From the OP:
""We hope that the Democratic candidates have launched a long-overdue debate about the proper role of women in the military. And we look forward to watching Clinton and Obama on the campaign trail, explaining to parents why their daughters should be eligible for the draft. """""
Leave it to sexist/Fascist pig repugs to want to preach to women about their ""PROPER"" role.
Leave it to them to act like women are something different and LESS than a man.
WHY SHOULD Clinton or Obama HAVE to explain why women are eligible for the draft...THEY ARE CITIZENS!!!!!
Just MORE SCARE TACTICS from the Fascist/sexist woman hating righties...
I will repeat:
There have been almost 4,000 soldiers who were NEVER carried out of harm's way by ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!
posted on August 15, 2007 10:11:43 AM newld LIED: "You have no problem forcing others to serve when they don't want to."
Totally untrue
How can opinion be a lie?
You have stated you don't think it is right for women to serve in draft, but have you no problem forcing men to serve in a draft. That is what I based on my opinion on. I don't care what you think Linda. I am free to speak my opinion. It is not my fault you back yourself in a corner and have to continually correct your statements because you do not like how they are interpreted by others.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 15, 2007 10:18:25 AM newNothing but a habitual liar. That's ld. Besides being vile and vulgar in his posts. And he was suspended from Vendio for his vile, vulgar posts to me about having sex with my son.
If you think your some angel Linda with all your "nice posts" you are not fooling any one. You are the one that brought up NAMBLA in this last instance and supposedly who supports them. It is you that have the vulgar posts.
If was also you that was KICKED OFF THE OTWA. Again I bet that was for being a nice person. Oh I see now, you are going to complain and whine about how you were kicked off. Despite what you want to believe you were kicked off because of your actions.
IF anyone was EVER a threat at ABUSING my email address....it would be LD himself. Who at that time was threatening to send his PORNO GAY websites to flood my email address as he had done to another poster he didn't like
More accusations without any proof Linda. Just like a lot of the crap you post. All without proof or substance. If you really changed your email address why are you getting your panties in a bunch? Huh
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 15, 2007 10:34:19 AM new
Go jump off a cliff Linda. My opinions of you are not lies. Opinions can not be lies. They rub you the wrong way so it is obvious you do not like to be seen like that.
I bet your grand daughter would love to know how much of a witch you really are.
Besides you being kicked off the OTWA and suspended from Vendio on a couple of ocassions ARE NOT LIES. THEY ARE THE TRUTH.
He does not speak for my positions....I DO.
Spoken like the true HYPOCRITE YOU ARE. You have no problem speaking for others do you now. tsk tsk tsk.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 15, 2007 11:46:08 AM newlogansdad is back REPEATING HIS LIES on my positions
Yep, one of those positions being doggy style. That is how you like it, isn't. We all know how Linda likes to get it.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 17, 2007 06:43:54 AM newBut of course, THAT's always okay with sybil.
Just like you approving of classicass in using the "C" word. Since you approve of it, it would appear that you would like it used against you.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 17, 2007 12:18:15 PM new
You are the one that is confused Linda. Just your typical style of being a hypocrite. Classic can call someone a "C" and you dont say anything, but if a liberal would have called you that, you would be whinning and emailing Vendio about the use of vile and vulgar language.
And his statement about me collecting SS. I don't.
So how old are you Linda? Are you going to lie about your age now, just like all women do?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
