posted on August 29, 2007 12:36:30 PM new
"Meanwhile, I'll stick with the FACTS/STATS that those who track gay diseases print...and I'll believe THEM."
Gay diseases? Straight men, straight women, IV drug users and bisexuals are included in those statistics. It is a disservice to label these as "gay diseases" as people in other categories will think they are safe. Also, it is an ugly slur, you bigot.
The MAJOR spread started in the gay community. Yes, NOW it's spread to all. But gays are STILL and always have been the major source of spreading the hiv/aids disease. FACTS, CC. ...not wishes.
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The term men who have sex with men (MSM) refers to all men who have sex with other men, regardless of how they identify themselves (gay, bisexual, or heterosexual). In the United States, HIV and AIDS have had a tremendous impact on MSM. Consider these facts:
AIDS has been diagnosed for more than half a million MSM. Over 300,000 MSM with AIDS have died since the beginning of the epidemic.
MSM made up more than two thirds (68%) of all men living with HIV in 2005, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United States reported having sex with other men.
In a 2005 study of 5 large US cities, 46% of African American MSM were HIV-postitive.
Since HIV/AIDS in MSM was first diagnosed 1981, gay and bisexual men have been leaders in dealing with the challenges of the epidemic. Gay organizations and activists, through their work, have contributed greatly to many of the guidelines for prevention, treatment, and the care of people living with HIV/AIDS.
For complex reasons, HIV/AIDS continues to take a high toll on the MSM population. For example, the number of new HIV/AIDS cases among MSM in 2005 was 11% more than the number of cases in 2001. It is unclear whether this increase is due to more testing, which results in more diagnoses, or to an increase in the number of HIV infections. Whatever the reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new HIV/AIDS cases and 71% of cases in male adults and adolescents.
posted on August 29, 2007 12:39:29 PM newMeanwhile, I'll stick with the FACTS/STATS that those who track gay diseases print...and I'll believe THEM.
That is highly doubtful Linda. Your mind is already made up about a lot of things.
You believed a study about the lack of death penalty lead to an increase in crime when in fact crime rates went down a couple of years after the death penalty was abolished here in IL.
And you still have yet to provide any link to any site that proves your point. Your facts are non existent in most cases.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on August 29, 2007 12:42:34 PM new
From the American Red Cross.
Question: Isn’t AIDS a gay disease?
Basic Answer: No. AIDS (a result of HIV infection) is caused by a virus (HIV). Anyone can get HIV through blood-to-blood or sexual contact with a person with HIV. Like anyone else, men who have sex with men are at risk if they have contact with an HIV-positive person’s blood, semen, vaginal fluid or breast milk.
Detailed Answer: No. AIDS (a result of HIV infection) is caused by HIV, a virus that can infect people regardless of sexual orientation. HIV can infect anyone who has sexual or blood-to-blood contact with an HIV-positive person. The virus can infect men, women and children. Men who have sex with men or women and women who have sex with men or women are at risk if their partners have HIV infection. Correct and consistent use of latex (or polyurethane if allergic to latex) condoms, however, greatly reduces the risk of transmission. Risk relates to what people do, not who they are.
In many countries, the numbers of women with HIV are nearly equal to the numbers of infected men, and the number of women with HIV/AIDS continues to steadily increase worldwide. As of July 2002, the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) estimated that about 18 million women were living with HIV/AIDS worldwide, accounting for 47 percent of the 37.2 million adults living with HIV/AIDS. In many countries, HIV spreads mostly through sex between men and women. And in the United States, the number of people with HIV/AIDS who became infected through sex between men and women continues to grow.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on August 29, 2007 12:46:05 PM new
That's a VERY funny FALSE accusation you've made there ld.
Especially since YOU don't have the GUTS to source your previous info. LOL LOL LOL
I gave you mine twice and you still continue whining about it. DO yourself what you expect others to do. TRY and be an adult for once. Don't apply your double standards to me.
posted on August 29, 2007 12:47:05 PM newThe term men who have sex with men (MSM) refers to all men who have sex with other men, regardless of how they identify themselves (gay, bisexual, or heterosexual).
Linda for your information two men who identify themselves as straight can have sex together and would fall into this category. Just because a male has sex with another male does not make either of them gay.
You could have sex with another female as an experiment but that would not make you or the other women lesbians.
You are totally clueless about definitions. It just goes to show you are very ignorant, very much homophobic and very much a bigot.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on August 29, 2007 12:57:01 PM new
This is the information contained in your link:
The term men who have sex with men (MSM) refers to all men who have sex with other men, regardless of how they identify themselves (gay, bisexual, or heterosexual). In the United States, HIV and AIDS have had a tremendous impact on MSM. Consider these facts:
AIDS has been diagnosed for more than half a million MSM. Over 300,000 MSM with AIDS have died since the beginning of the epidemic.
MSM made up more than two thirds (68%) of all men living with HIV in 2005, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United States reported having sex with other men.
In a 2005 study of 5 large US cities, 46% of African American MSM were HIV-postitive.
Since HIV/AIDS in MSM was first diagnosed 1981, gay and bisexual men have been leaders in dealing with the challenges of the epidemic. Gay organizations and activists, through their work, have contributed greatly to many of the guidelines for prevention, treatment, and the care of people living with HIV/AIDS.
For complex reasons, HIV/AIDS continues to take a high toll on the MSM population. For example, the number of new HIV/AIDS cases among MSM in 2005 was 11% more than the number of cases in 2001. It is unclear whether this increase is due to more testing, which results in more diagnoses, or to an increase in the number of HIV infections. Whatever the reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new HIV/AIDS cases and 71% of cases in male adults and adolescents.
Show me where is says HIV is a gay disease?
Show me where is says gays are causing the increases in the HIV rates?
Your link does not support either of your so called facts.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
Yes, liberals NEED 'simple'. They can't read and grasp the stats from even the CDC website....where the 'groups' of hiv/aids people are LISTED according to their sex, sexual behavior, race, men, women, teens, etc.
The liberals need SIMPLE. After all they have to finds SOME excuse for the 71% of infection rates being from MSM. lol
brother...unbelievable...simply in total DENIAL of any facts....no matter the subject/issue. tsk tsk tsk That's the liberal mindset for you.
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 29, 2007 01:02 PM ]
posted on August 29, 2007 01:03:44 PM newWhine to the CDC, ld. What you say is not what the FACTS/STATS support.
No Linda, I do not have to whine to the CDC because the FACTS speak for themselves. Despite what you think or want to believe MSM does not equal gay. Get that FACT THROUGH YOUR IGNORANT BRAIN.
You continue to whine about how HIV rates are supposedly rising in the gay community but what have you done to stop this. After all you are the one that claims to be so knowledgeable about HIV and what goes on in the gay community, you should be out there doing something if you truly are so concerned.
It wouldnt surprise me if you are actually HIV positive yourself after accidently getting it while taking a care of a gay man while in SF. This would expalin alot about your hatred towards gays.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on August 29, 2007 01:07:36 PM new
Are YOU an ADULT? Are you telling all of us here that YOU can't, because you're too stupid to use the CDC website yourself, find further info on which 'group' is spreading hiv/aids? LOL IT's the GAYS, ld. GAY men. Just as my post says.
"Whatever the reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new HIV/AIDS cases and 71% of cases in male adults and adolescents."
LOL....PROVE the CDC wrong, ld. PROVE it. Back up YOUR nonsense. Maybe someone like CC will believe you...because she can't comprehend what the CDC site proves either.
posted on August 29, 2007 01:11:04 PM newwhere the 'groups' of hiv/aids people are LISTED according to their sex, sexual behavior, race, men, women, teens, etc.
Again Linda you are the one that doesn't know how to interpret data.
Sexual behavior does not equal sexual orientation.
MSM does not equal gay.
Your "proof" does not list anything by sexual orientation. Your proof does not show a breakdown of HIV rates by "straight, gay or bisexual".
Once again you are only showing how ignorant you are. You can continue to believe what you want, but the FACTS do speak for themselves.
Both Coach and I know how to read what is actually printed.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on August 29, 2007 01:16:44 PM new
All the while, the latest figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that "men who have sex with men" account for the largest proportion of new HIV diagnoses in the United States.
posted on August 29, 2007 01:22:27 PM new
Again, ld, you speak of MY PROOF. LOL It's on the CDC website.....for all to learn...EVEN YOU. lol
They do break it down into the categories and gay males CONTINUE to be the LARGEST part of the newly infected. READ the site...and quit acting like some silly child...accusing the FACTS as being MINE.
They're NOT mine. They're the CDC's.
I know that's hard for you to grasp.....things don't come easy to you. I've long known that. Your refusal to READ the STATS/FACTS won't change them. GAY men are STILL and always have been the LEADING group spreading this deadly disease.
posted on August 29, 2007 01:23:13 PM newshow that "men who have sex with men" account for the largest proportion of new HIV diagnoses in the United States.
You can continue to post those statistics but they still do not support your claims of HIV being a gay disease or that gay men have caused the increase.
After being told time after time that MSM does not equal gay or not does it define ones sexual orientation, you still want to believe it does.
But then again you still believe a langauge called "Canadian" exists.
How many times do you need to keep showing how dumb and ignorant you are?
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on August 29, 2007 01:27:03 PM new
As many times as YOU refuse to accept the FACTS/STATS that the CDC states on their website.
You're in denial. I can understand that coming from you, a gay man, but even the gay community is at odds with one another over the 'has hiv/aids' and those who don't.
This denial of yours is exactly why, even though I have posted these stats time and time again, I don't bother much anymore.
No matter the facts YOU and many liberals here just deny them anyway. You can't grasp FACTS/STATS that you don't want to believe.
So LIVE in denial. Won't be affecting me. For those who DO wish to learn the FACTS/STATS.....they're there for ALL to read. LOL
posted on August 29, 2007 01:35:17 PM new
Like you PROVE the quotes you put here? LOL LOL
Don't be so juvenile.
Anyone can use the CDC website and verify for themselves.....any ADULT that is. Most liberals like you demand from others what you yourselves will not provide. But then liberals aren't used to doing the work themselves....they expect others to do it for them.
Grow up. Act like an adult, ld. And use the CDC site to find the FACTS for yourself.
You always want to make it about me, personally, and REFUSE to believe the FACTS/STATS. LOL
How typical of lazy liberals. Or maybe it's just PROOF they don't have the ability to research on their own. They're just not capable.
posted on August 29, 2007 01:37:52 PM new
You can't prove it Linda because the CDC defines MSM as the following:
Men who have Sex with Men (MSM) covers both men who report sexual contact with men and men who report sexual contact with both men and women.
If the CDC is lumping the two categories into one, there is no way they can provide a breakdown of HIV rates by sexual orientation ie straight, gay or bisexual.
You are the one that is making a fool of yourself and spreading false information. You are the one that is denial of what is actually posted.
It is time you go back and get some information on HIV because you dont know as much as you claim you know.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on August 29, 2007 01:41:03 PM new
Again, the CDC website breaks it down, ld.
I'm sorry that concept is just too difficult for your to grasp. It's YOUR problem....not mine.
And here the lefties are always claiming they're so educated/intellectual. Can't even do a simple search when the website is provided for them. tsk tsk tsk
I'm done. Idiots will NEVER believe the FACTS. They live in denial and as I have stated over and over again, imo, that's why they vote the way they do....they're misinformed on the FACTS.
posted on August 29, 2007 01:42:56 PM newHow typical of lazy liberals. Or maybe it's just PROOF they don't have the ability to research on their own. They're just not capable.
Who is the juvenile now. Can't come up with something original. You are just a sock puppet. You can't think of anything on your own so you repeat what you originally heard.
Your proof doesn't exist on the CDC website nor is there any other study that breaks down HIV rates by sexual orientation despite all your claims.
Once again Linda has been proven WRONG WRONG WRONG and is trying to back her way out of a corner.
She is nothing but a liar and a bigot.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on August 29, 2007 01:49:27 PM new
I wonder how Linda will try to spin this. I bet she will say the Democrats are forcing the Republicans to call for Craig's resignation. tsk tsk tsk
Two Senate Republican colleagues, including John McCain, called Wednesday for Sen. Larry Craig to resign. The White House, too, expressed disappointment in the case of the Idaho Republican caught in a men's room undercover police operation.
Arizona Sen. McCain and Norm Coleman of Minnesota, the state where Craig was arrested, became the first senators to join Rep. Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., urging Craig's resignation.
McCain told CNN the decision was Craig's to make, "but my opinion is that when you plead guilty to a crime, you shouldn't serve. That's not a moral stand. That's not a holier-than-thou. It's just a factual situation."
"I think he should resign," McCain said.
Coleman said in a statement, "Senator Craig pled guilty to a crime involving conduct unbecoming a senator."
Hoekstra said Craig "represents the Republican party" and that "his conduct throughout this matter has been inappropriate for a U.S. senator."
Craig pleaded guilty in August to a charge of disorderly conduct following his arrest in a men's room at the Minneapolis airport. He said Tuesday he had done nothing wrong and was sorry he pleaded guilty.
Senate Republican leaders have called on the ethics committee to review Craig's case, and White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said he hoped the panel could do its work quickly.
Stanzel made no expression of support for Craig. "We are disappointed in the matter. It has been referred to the Senate Ethics Committee, so they will have to deal with it," he said.
There were other signs of difficulty for Craig.
Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, issued a statement calling on the senator to consider stepping down. The organization is a self-described conservative government watchdog group.
"Senator Craig admittedly engaged in illegal activity that brings serious disrepute to the public office he holds," Fitton said.
Fitton's suggestion that the senator leave office suggested tenuous support among conservatives who make up his core political supporters.
Craig, 62, a third-term senator up for re-election next year, defended himself Tuesday against a police report alleging he attempted to engage in a homosexual encounter with an undercover officer.
Flanked by his wife, Suzanne, Craig stated three times that he was not gay. He cast his arrest for lewd conduct as unfounded and his subsequent guilty plea to disorderly conduct as an error in judgment spurred by frustration with the state's biggest newspaper prying into his past.
The Idaho Statesman published a lengthy story on Tuesday, a day after the June 11 arrest was first reported, detailing allegations of homosexual behavior by Craig. The senator denied the allegations and contended the paper was engaged in a witch hunt. In a statement, the newspaper said its story spoke for itself.
"While I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct at the Minneapolis airport or anywhere else, I chose to plead guilty to a lesser charge in hopes of making it go away," Craig said. "It's clear, though, that through my actions I have brought a cloud over Idaho. For that, I ask the people of Idaho for their forgiveness."
The Idaho Republican Party took a measured, wait-and-see stance while Democrats remained mum, content to let Republicans sort through the fallout. The GOP's biggest names reminded voters of Craig's tenure in the Senate and his powerful seat on the Appropriations Committee.
"I would encourage all Idahoans to avoid rushing to judgment and making brash statements about a man who has dedicated his life to public service," GOP state party chairman Kirk Sullivan said in a statement.
Ignoring that plea, some social and religious conservatives and right-wing radio talk show hosts called for Craig's resignation. And political analysts said Craig will have trouble convincing Gem State voters that his 27-year political career is worth sparing.
In Idaho, with its 1.4 million people, politicians know many supporters by name. The state also likes its Republicans. The GOP controls the statehouse and Congress, and President Bush carried the state in 2004 with 68 percent of the vote.
More than 166,000 residents are Roman Catholic and more than 385,000 Mormon.
Republican leaders in the Senate called for an Ethics Committee review of the case.
"This is a serious matter," they said in a written statement issued in Washington over the names of Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the party leader, and several others.
Two Republicans seeking the party's presidential nomination didn't mince words. Mitt Romney, in whose campaign Craig was playing a prominent role until he quit amid the scandal, told CNBC, "He's disappointed the American people." McCain called for the resignation.
Craig signed a guilty plea on Aug. 1 and later paid $575 in fines and fees and was placed on unsupervised probation for a year.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on August 29, 2007 01:51:41 PM newAnd with mcgreevey the DEMS/liberals NEVER called for this:
Yep they didn't.
Not because of double standards but because the NJ governor said he was going to step down and did. He did not lie, he did not continue to deny who he was. He admitted what took place and stepped down like a man.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on August 29, 2007 04:29:19 PM new
"And with mcgreevey the DEMS/liberals NEVER called for this:
from the drudgereport, just now
First House Member Calls for Senator to Step Down...
Craig stepping down from committee assignments...
TOP GOP SENATORS CALL ON CRAIG TO RESIGN
McGreevey was not arrested and did not plead guilty to any crime. Big difference. You will note that the house members calling for Craig to step down are Republicans. The Dems seem to be staying out of it.
posted on August 29, 2007 08:18:01 PM new
AIDS is a heterosexual disease in Africa,a large percentage of African prostitutes are HIV positive.
In South Africa,miners frequnted prostitutes and become infected ,too sick to work are sent home ,they may be too weak to work but not too weak to infect their spouse!
Along the routes where truck drivers travel,women sell themselves promoting dry sex,and it is rather painful and causes tears in the vaginal lining ,a good way for the HIV virus to enter the body.
Also they dont seem to care about safe sex,someone pointed out that there are few pleasures in life among the dirt poor,so why bother to be so caustious,if they die,they die?
If you go back to ancient time in Jerusalem,there are brothels (male and female) next to the temple ,there are also customs where the wife who is menstruating will sleep in a separate bed from her husband so to avoid exchange of bodily fluid?
There are also Kosher customs on how to prepare meals,how to slaughter an animal etc,I recall on how to prepare a fowl or a beef brisket,it is to rub it with salt and place it on a rack tilted towards the sink for 24 horus so the salt can draw the fluid from the tissues.
As to how to slaughter an animal such as a cow,dont they slit the throat and let all the blood run out?once again,they dont want the blood to contaminate the flesh.
It makes you wonder in ancient time in dry places where water is scarce ,what kind of virus and bacteria can be lurking around?
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posted on August 29, 2007 09:36:38 PM new
"ROFLOL @ I will note??? LOL I posted it/pointed it our first, CC. Wake up."
Wake up your self. Are you the only one reading this thread, Linda? That was a universal "you". Stop being so self-absorbed. They have known about Craig for many years and are only calling for his resignation now beause he got caught doing something illegal and his little peccadillo is no longer a secret.
"It was to prove my point they aren't the hypocrites that you called them. They 'remove' their own...something liberals NEVER do."
I did not call all Republicans hypocrites, just Craig. Wake up! Yes, I know...in the history of the United States there has NEVER been a "removal" by LIBERALS--whatever that means. What a ridiculous statement. There are few things in this world about which you can say NEVER or ALWAYS. This is an example of why your credibility comes into question by many on this board.
posted on August 29, 2007 11:39:19 PM new
Craig, whether gay or straight , BROKE THE LAW ! He's a LAW BREAKER just like his leader bushit. Republicans are calling for him to step down just as they distance themselves from their law breaking leader bushit. It's just common sense if they want to get re-elected linduh will never understand that because as a neocon/Fascist, she doesn't know right from wrong nor does she care.
After all they have to finds SOME excuse for the 71% of infection rates being from MSM. lol
linduh will never understand that because as a neocon/Fascist, she doesn't know right from wrong nor does she care.