posted on September 7, 2007 07:22:18 AM new
7 U.S. Troops Killed in 2 Iraq Attacks
Updated 8:23 AM ET September 7, 2007
By BUSHRA JUHI
BAGHDAD (AP) - Four U.S. Marines were killed in fighting in Anbar province, and three soldiers were killed by a roadside bomb in northern Iraq, the military said Friday.
The four Marines assigned to Multi National Force _ West were killed Thursday in combat in Anbar, a predominantly Sunni province west of Baghdad that has seen a recent drop in violence, according to a statement.
Three Task Force Lightning soldiers also were killed Thursday when a bomb exploded near their vehicle in the northern Ninevah province, the military said separately.
The deaths raised to at least 3,760 members of the U.S. military who have died since the Iraq war started in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.
Violence also persisted against Iraqis on the Islamic day of rest.
About 100 miles west of Anbar's capital city of Ramadi, insurgents blew up two suspension bridges on roads leading to Jordan and Saudi Arabia, a police intelligence officer said on condition of anonymity for security reasons.
A roadside bomb struck an Iraqi army patrol near Baqouba, killing one soldier and wounding two, while another roadside bomb killed one civilian and wounded four others southeast of Baghdad, police officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to release the information.
Gunmen also opened fire on Sunni worshippers in a drive-by shooting following evening prayers late Thursday in the northern city of Kirkuk, killing at least three people and wounding four, police Col. Anwar Qadir said.
In a series of operations on Thursday and Friday, U.S. forces killed three al-Qaida in Iraq suspects and detained 18 others, the military said.
The three men were killed in an operation Friday morning targeting a suspected al-Qaida in Iraq leader north of Baghdad. Four other suspects were detained in that raid and ground forces destroyed four vehicles, the U.S. military said in a statement.
Anbar, where the Marines were killed, is a vast desert province that stretches west from Baghdad to the borders with Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. It has been a Sunni insurgent stronghold but attacks against U.S. forces and Iraqis have tapered off since many Sunni tribal leaders joined forces with the United States against al-Qaida in Iraq.
The Iraqi government announced Thursday it was adding millions of dollars to the budget of the western province of Anbar to help rebuild the region.
The step came days after a surprise visit to the province by President Bush to Anbar where he met top Iraqi officials as well as tribal leaders.
During a conference held Thursday in the provincial capital of Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, the government allocated additional $70 million to the Anbar budget, Interior Ministry official Col. Tariq Mohammed Youssef said. He added that 6,000 jobs will be created for Anbar residents, although he did not give more specifics.
Another $50 million was allocated to compensate citizens who suffered from military operations.
Among those at the conference was Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, and Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del.
Top tribal leaders from Anbar were also present, including Abdul-Sattar al-Rishawi, head of the Anbar Salvation Council that spearheaded the fight against al-Qaida.
U.S. and Iraqi officials have touted Anbar as a success story in Iraq even as criticism mounts over the Iraqi government's efforts to achieve political reconciliation on other fronts.
A series of recent reports have offered a grim assessment of Iraq's political climate and the performance of its security forces as the U.S. ambassador and the top commander in Iraq Gen. David Petraeus prepare for congressional hearings beginning Monday.
An independent panel led by retired Marine Gen. James Jones recommended that the Iraqis assume more control of their nation's security and that U.S. forces, seen as an occupying and permanent force, should step back. Its report, presented to Congress on Thursday, contended that "significant reductions, consolidations and realignments would appear to be possible and prudent."
The Jones panel also found that Iraq's security forces would be unable to take control in the next 12 months to 18 months and recommended that its national police force be scrapped and entirely rebuilt because of corruption and sectarianism.
The Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, reported Tuesday that Iraq has failed to meet 11 of its 18 political and security goals.
U.S. troop levels _ currently at a record 168,000 _ are expected to hit a high of 172,000 in the coming weeks, the Pentagon said Thursday.
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Associated Press writer Bassem Mroue contributed to this report.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Mingo, you have to take into account Bear's age and state of mind. His information is lagging a few months behind because he can't keep up to date with all the current information. The internet must be to fast for him
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on September 7, 2007 02:38:13 PM new
"YOU, and the other neocons here, are just happy they're dead."
And some have the nerve to question me when I call mingo a LIAR. Right here is just one more example of when she posts LIES about others.
And of course, NO liberal here says a thing about HER not having one bit of PROOF to back up HER words, but boy can they whine on and on and on......about conservatives not bothering to post their's anymore.
OH those darn liberal double standards. AND sybil's LIES. It's her MO.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on September 7, 2007 02:40:15 PM new
"Leave it up to a Republican to be correct with his facts."
Leave it to a progressive to NOT know not all who have died were KIA.
But of course, liberals would NEVER take note of that FACT.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on September 7, 2007 04:11:38 PM new
Mingotree, """First:
""The deaths raised to at least 3,760 members of the U.S. military who have
D I E D
since the Iraq war ..""
Second:
Where did YOUR information come from? Did you count them yourself?
YOU listed KIA...there's a difference , dolt!"""
I post that and then linduh PROVES that she CANNOT read
Linda_K
posted on September 7, 2007 02:40:15 PM
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"Leave it up to a Republican to be correct with his facts."
Leave it to a progressive to NOT know not all who have died were KIA.
But of course, liberals would NEVER take note of that FACT.""""
posted on September 7, 2007 04:41:53 PM new
mingo LIED AGAIN:
"YOU, and the other neocons here, are just happy they're dead."
And some have the nerve to question me when I call mingo a LIAR. Right here is just one more example of when she posts LIES about others.
And of course, NO liberal here says a thing about HER not having one bit of PROOF to back up HER words, but boy can they whine on and on and on......about conservatives not bothering to post their's anymore.
OH those darn liberal double standards. AND sybil's LIES. It's her MO.
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How pathetic she spends her day, day in day out LYING about others.
posted on September 7, 2007 04:50:44 PM new
According to the Defense Dept. the total of U.S. troops dead in Iraq is 3,760, with only 13 of that number listed as dead but unconfirmed. Where exactly did mingo lie?
posted on September 7, 2007 04:59:49 PM new
And as already noted.....there is a difference and stats are available....between those who were KIA/in the threatre/etc....vs those included IN the total who died, but not from being in combat.
posted on September 7, 2007 05:20:24 PM new
They post their nonsense, lie about what others do know, lie about how conservatives view our soldiers deaths/injuries.....when THEY'RE the ignorant ones. They disrespect our military commanders, that even their OWN party totally approved of...and the list goes on.
Thank heaven vets like you do set them straight.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on September 7, 2007 05:39:39 PM new
"And as already noted.....there is a difference and stats are available....between those who were KIA/in the threatre/etc....vs those included IN the total who died, but not from being in combat."
It is clearly written in the OP that the number quoted were those U.S. troops who died. There was no claim that they were KIA.
As far as it being a lie when Mingo said neocons are happy they are dead--that is her opinion not a fact. You know, like when you say that all liberals are liars, in denial or anti-American.
posted on September 7, 2007 05:53:36 PM new
Dead is dead is dead. Don't forget the ones who are permanently injured and the ones who committed suicide too - the rate is highest since Vietnam.
And some have the nerve to question me when I call mingo a LIAR. Right here is just one more example of when she posts LIES about others.
posted on September 7, 2007 06:29:15 PM new
The ones that claim everyone is lying are the ones that can not accept the truth that over 3700 troops have died.
Maybe they do not like that word died/dead. I wonder if they will start a campaign to get the conservative news media to stop using that word - died/dead. Instead they will have the conservative news media use "permanently resting" from now on.
Na, that would be to difficult to do since there are conservative news programs that have stopped mentioning the number of troops that have died in Iraq all together. So much for reporting the truth.
"In my experience, those who do not like you fall into two categories: the stupid, and the envious. - John Wilmot, the Second Earl of Rochester
posted on September 7, 2007 06:43:30 PM new
Hahaha! Ya, linduh I proved your stupidty once again :
Mingotree, """First:
""The deaths raised to at least 3,760 members of the U.S. military who have
D I E D
since the Iraq war ..""
Second:
Where did YOUR information come from? Did you count them yourself?
YOU listed KIA...there's a difference , dolt!"""
I post that and then linduh PROVES that she CANNOT read
Linda_K
posted on September 7, 2007 02:40:15 PM
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"Leave it up to a Republican to be correct with his facts."
Leave it to a progressive to NOT know not all who have died were KIA.
But of course, liberals would NEVER take note of that FACT.""""
posted on September 7, 2007 10:17:08 PM new
ROFLOL
CC. BEAR mentioned the KIA's.
Military people die from many different reasons that are NOT related to Iraq COMBAT.
But yes, we're all aware that liberals want to USE our soldiers deaths and injuries for their own political gain. We're aware that they want to make the numbers appear to be the worst they can make them. We're aware that they just can't bring themselves to ENJOY/be happy about ANY successes our troops are causing. We understand that liberals HAVE to wish for Americas FAILURE....or they'll be in a #*!@ load of trouble as the elections grow closer.
They're RUNNING on our FAILURE. WE GET THAT.
We're just pointing out that you can't put ALL those deaths on WAR COMBAT in Iraq. Soldiers die each and everyday all over the world and their deaths have NOTHING to do with being in combat - as is ALSO the case in Iraq/Afghanistan.
I understand that's an issue liberals don't want mentioned when they're pumping UP the numbers. Sadly, they'll use anything for their un-American positions.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on September 8, 2007 04:36:03 AM new
linduh:"""Military people die from many different reasons that are NOT related to Iraq COMBAT.""
Who said they didn't ?
linduh:""But yes, we're all aware that liberals want to USE our soldiers deaths and injuries for their own political gain. ""
No, WE liberals want the deaths and injuries to stop....it's obvious YOU don't.
The bushit administration used those who died on 9/11 to further it's political plan to start a war in Iraq.
It's using the deaths of soldiers and civilians to further it's political and financial agenda.
""We're ""
("we're" ??? Who ARE you speaking FOR ???)
""aware that they want to make the numbers appear to be the worst they can make them."""
(The numbers ARE bad ....WE aren't making them bad)
""" We're""" ("we're"" ???linduh is hallucinatimg that she has someone with her !!!!)
"" aware that they just can't bring themselves to ENJOY/be happy about ANY successes our troops are causing. We understand that liberals HAVE to wish for Americas FAILURE....or they'll be in a #*!@ load of trouble as the elections grow closer.
They're RUNNING on our FAILURE. WE GET THAT. """
You actually are admitting failure !!!! Good! facing reality is the road BACK to mental health
"""We're just pointing out that you can't put ALL those deaths on WAR COMBAT in Iraq. Soldiers die each and everyday all over the world and their deaths have NOTHING to do with being in combat - as is ALSO the case in Iraq/Afghanistan."""
I never said anything different.
"""I understand that's an issue liberals don't want mentioned when they're pumping UP the numbers.""" Sadly, they'll use anything for their un-American positions."""
AGAIN you will never prove that the numbers were "pumped up". Why would anyone do that...the numbers are bad enough ...for liberals...not neocons who enjoy watching the numbers go up....
linduh:""Sadly, they'll use anything for their un-American positions."""
Why is posting about how many soldiers died un-American?
It isn't....trying to ignore the deaths and injuries, minimizing their sacrifices like YOU do is anti-American... shame on YOU!!!!!
posted on September 8, 2007 05:23:56 AM new
"Military people die from many different reasons that are NOT related to Iraq COMBAT."
That makes no difference. If a soldier in Iraq is run over by an out-of-control jeep while on the mess line, that's a death that would not have happened if he were not in Iraq. If a soldier dies of heat stroke in the 120 degree Iraqi heat, that's a death tht would not have happened had the soldier not been in Iraq. Combat or non-combat, the soldiers are still dead. If you want to talk about skewing statistics, why doesn't the White House include deaths from car bombs when compiling civilian Iraqi deaths?
"Nancy A. Youssef, McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON - U.S. officials who say there has been a dramatic drop in sectarian violence in Iraq since President Bush began sending more American troops into Baghdad aren't counting one of the main killers of Iraqi civilians.
Car bombs and other explosive devices have killed thousands of Iraqis in the past three years, but the administration doesn't include them in the casualty counts it has been citing as evidence that the surge of additional U.S. forces is beginning to defuse tensions between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.
President Bush explained why in a television interview Tuesday. "If the standard of success is no car bombings or suicide bombings, we have just handed those who commit suicide bombings a huge victory," he told TV interviewer Charlie Rose.
Others, however, say that not counting bombing victims skews the evidence of how well the Baghdad security plan is protecting the civilian population.
posted on September 8, 2007 05:45:21 AM new
Oh I get it....some Americans who died in Iraq didn't die as a direct result of combat. I bet that makes their families feel much better. Yeah. Besides, those people probably would have stepped in front of a tank or fallen out of a helicopter even if they were somewhere else. Just because they were in Iraq doesn't mean we should count them as casualties of war. I get it now.
posted on September 8, 2007 06:17:30 AM new
profe / C:
These deaths/accidents happen to soldiers all over the world even during training exercises. Helicopters fail and soldiers die as a result of the crash...etc. Being in Iraq doesn't make accidental deaths happen. Accidents involving our soldiers just happen, even here in the US.
Now one could argue that if they had never joined the military at all...they might be alive. But then they'd have better chances of dying or being killed in a car accident on our highways or even murdered right here in the US, as has been pointed out several times when liberals use their deaths for political gain.
But I understand, you liberals think that if no soldier ever goes anywhere....they'll be NO accidents and thus none will EVER die. But that's just not the reality of military life.
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edited to add:
No sooner than I made this post, sadly Fox News reported that an Air Force helicopter had crashed, here in America with 7 soldiers aboard. They were involved in a TRAINING mission.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Sep 8, 2007 06:36 AM ]
posted on September 8, 2007 07:04:06 AM new
Once again linduh shows total disrespect for our troops and the sacrifices they have made for HER and America.
She diminishes the deaths and mutilation of our soldiers throughout our history by saying they could've had a better chance of being killed in a car crash here. That is NOT supporting the troops....it's saying their sacrifices were meaningless. She cannot and will not appreciate what they have done. She calls the female soldiers "he-men" who should be home baking cookies when they are fighting for HER. What a PIG!
She slobbers, ""But I understand, you liberals think that if no soldier ever goes anywhere....they'll be NO accidents and thus none will EVER die. But that's just not the reality of military life.""
She KNOWS how we think? SHE speaks for us? She, the person who doesn't want anyone speaking for her?
NO one said accidents never happen. NO one.
We're talking about how many troops were killed in Iraq....
It's a FACT!
linduh wants to sweep it under the rug....maybe like that vile pig bush she thinks their sacrifices are nothing more than a "comma" in history.
posted on September 8, 2007 08:19:36 AM new
Linda knows exactly what we all think, mingo. She knows and can predict to a tee our opinions about things that haven't even been discussed on this board. She is wise and insightful and always right. We should just cow-tow and back out of the room and let her spew her wisdom to her supplicants, ashamed of ourselves for ever doubting her.
posted on September 8, 2007 08:49:41 AM new
profe51
posted on September 8, 2007 08:19:36 AM
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Linda knows exactly what we all think, mingo. She knows and can predict to a tee our opinions about things that haven't even been discussed on this board. She is wise and insightful and always right. We should just cow-tow and back out of the room and let her spew her wisdom to her supplicants, ashamed of ourselves for ever doubting her."""
profe, after reading that, one word popped into my head....peyote....TSK TSK TSK...
But that's just not the reality of military life.