Libra63
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posted on February 14, 2008 02:37:30 PM
DeKalb, Illinois. It is a small University west of Chicago. I understand 6 were shot, but maybe more. Gunman had two guns a shotgun and a pistol. Took his own life after the shooting.
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kraftdinner
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posted on February 15, 2008 02:14:18 PM
What a disturbing trend this has become. I think many kids out there are totally lost. I'm wondering if the mothers of these shooters worked or stayed home and looked after these kids when they were young. Not that it's the mom's fault, it just seems that many kids of working parents seems lost to me - and the parents seem just as lost when it comes to understanding their children.
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mingotree
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posted on February 15, 2008 04:48:34 PM
Kraft, while you say it's not the mother's fault before that you say ""I'm wondering if the mothers of these shooters worked or stayed home and looked after these kids when they were young".
Right off the bat you call into blame 50% of the parents. This particular young man had a history of mental illness and was off his meds....a person can have mental illness whether their mother worked or not. Not everything wrong in the world can be laid at the feet of women.
Did his father work? Maybe if his daddy had stayed home he wouldn't have done such a bad thing....????????
Do children who are neglected by their PARENTS do bad things...ya....and children who are neglected by their PARENTS also grow up and do nothing wrong.
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roadsmith
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posted on February 15, 2008 10:09:36 PM
I was thinking today about this fellow going off his meds. Would it be possible for pharmacists to have an automatic report to some authority when such prescriptions are suddenly not being renewed? I'm sure this wouldn't be legal on some level. . . . but it could help, perhaps.
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kraftdinner
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posted on February 15, 2008 11:56:24 PM
I'm not blaming anyone, Mingo. I'm just trying to find out if there's any kind of trend. Usually it's the mom's that do the nurturing so I'm wondering if these kids had moms that stayed home with them in the early years. Maybe there's no correlation at all here.
P.S. Are you trying to pick a fight? Do you want a piece of me or something??????
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crowfarm
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posted on February 16, 2008 05:14:24 AM
YES! As soon as I find my rubber manure hat I will be back!
Let's bring back the "Good Old Days" of Vendio with a bunch of weird crap and fighting
It was ALWAYS like that!
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Libra63
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posted on February 16, 2008 05:34:16 AM
I see mingotree aka C has finally got something right well not really I think she is in the wrong thread.
[b]Whats with the user ID forget who you are?
You get upset when someone uses it but here you are using it again.[/b] It is do as I say not as I do.
A 6th Person has died.
Violence is running rampid in our country and what will it take to stop it? It is sad when your child goes off to college you would think that that was a safe haven but nothing is safe anymore.
A snipet from the paper.
The shooter "by all accounts that we can tell right now was a very good student that the professors thoughts well of," he said. "There is nothing in our system that he has had any counseling."
How do you monitor someone like that. You can't?
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Helenjw
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posted on February 16, 2008 06:14:03 AM
"What a disturbing trend this has become. I think many kids out there are totally lost. I'm wondering if the mothers of these shooters worked or stayed home and looked after these kids when they were young. Not that it's the mom's fault, it just seems that many kids of working parents seems lost to me - and the parents seem just as lost when it comes to understanding their children."
I agree. The trend toward this type of violence has increased as both parents spend more time away from home. The cost of good supervision alone is more than most working families can afford leaving their children without the kind of loving care and direction that a parent could provide.
That lack of attention and discipline is producing an increasing number of children without empathy for others who learn from TV, Games, gangs and sometimes from abusive family members that violence is a way to solve problems.
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mingotree
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posted on February 16, 2008 06:21:53 AM
Libra63
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I see mingotree aka C has finally got something right well not really I think she is in the wrong thread.
[b]Whats with the user ID forget who you are?
You get upset when someone uses it but here you are using it again.[/b] It is do as I say not as I do."""
libra, you wart-nosed old hawg...why don't you try pulling that giagntic age spotted nose out of my business. I posted in the thread I CHOSE to post in.
If I didn't use that name Y O U would so what's the difference ?
Why don't you take all your very old,narrow minded , stupid, backwards, trite, over-used, unimaginative 1940's phrases/ideas/posts and send them to Reader's Digest.
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hwahwa
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posted on February 16, 2008 06:32:29 AM
The father is diabetic and stays home,dont know where mom is.
But the kid is 27 years old and a graduate student in sociology,cant keep blaming your parents forever.
Parents blame their parents too,people just refuse to grow up,or life is just too tough out there!
It seems we never blame ourselves,we are always looking to blame someone,either our parents,our employer or our government.
The politicians are now promising us anything just to win the Whitehouse,healthcare for everyone,you just watch what quality of healthcare are we going to receive?
It reminds me of a goverment which promises everyone can now go anywhere and eat as much for 99 cents and all the restaurants will swiftly change their menu to carry - plain boiled potato,macraroni with no cheese, boiled rice,sphaghetti with no meat sauce,day old bread and grass.
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Libra63
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posted on February 16, 2008 07:29:09 AM
hwahwa - great post. People are their own worst enemy as shown. They have to find someone to blame and of course it is the parents. Who else. I blame society in whole.
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Libra63
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posted on February 16, 2008 07:38:52 AM
I see someone got up on the wrong side of the bed today..
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mingotree
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posted on February 16, 2008 07:48:37 AM
Good post, hwahwa. I wonder when people will realize that crimes were committed long, long before women took jobs outside the home.....????
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kiara
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posted on February 16, 2008 08:50:26 AM
I agree, a 27 year old is no longer a child. I'm wondering what kind of medication he was on and if his mind was affected radically when he stopped taking it or perhaps even from taking it for a certain time. There are rumors that his girlfriend and him had recently ended their relationship and there are reports all the time about those who are unable to take rejection and do strange things, whether they are male or female.
Troublesome kids have been raised by stay at home mothers and working mothers. While some parents aren't attentive enough, others are known as helicopter parents who never allow a child to take responsibility for their own actions or mistakes. Seems like a lot of the problem solving is now attempted with medications though there are those who genuinely do require them.
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Helenjw
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posted on February 16, 2008 09:11:36 AM
It's interesting that Canada doesn't seem to have the same problem with school violence as we do here in the U.S.
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Libra63
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posted on February 16, 2008 09:31:18 AM
Here is an interesting Article on Worldwide School shootings.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html
It seems to be more prevelant in the US. Is it because Guns are to easy to acquire? There is nothing in his past to stop him from buying guns. So what do you think should be done?
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kiara
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posted on February 16, 2008 09:34:38 AM
There have been several school shootings in Canada, Helen. Two of them happened in Montreal, 13 female students and an employee were slain in one shooting. There is a time line of shootings here:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/school-shootings/
Violence is on the increase in schools here with numerous reports of violence and bullying among girls and there have been videos on You Tube of them fighting.
Last year I watched a program focusing on violence against teachers in our schools also. Teachers have received threats from the students and if it's brought to the attention of the parents, some of the parents have then threatened the teachers. Sometimes teachers remain silent about it as they are viewed as weak and not in control or unable to do their job if they bring it to the attention of others.
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roadsmith
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posted on February 16, 2008 10:04:36 AM
Someone said here that the shooter may not have had the resources to deal with rejection.
There's a difference between men and women re: that, and it might possibly explain why we don't have women shooters. When a woman is rejected, she has resources! She has any number of good women friends to go to, to talk it out with, to cry with, to help figure out what went wrong, plus access to books that may help her, too. And they're even much more likely to seek counseling from a professional.
When a man is rejected, sociologists have told us many times that they don't have the number or kind of good friends they can talk things through with. (Most married men, when asked who their best friends are, start with their wife and then have trouble coming up with more than one other name, if that, with whom they can talk confidentially.)
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Helenjw
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posted on February 16, 2008 10:28:11 AM
Timeline of Recent Worldwide School Violence
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Libra63
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posted on February 16, 2008 11:18:58 AM
Well roadsmith I would agree. It has been stated that he had just broken up with his girlfriend.
I think girls/women do have more committed friends than Males do. I don't think males sit down and talk out their problems with anyone where it is different with girls/women. Men have a difficult time in communiting with other males. I guess that is why they call them buddies and females call theirs friends.
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hwahwa
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posted on February 16, 2008 02:32:42 PM
Society expects men to be strong and dont cry,plus you dont want to reveal your weakness in front of other men-foes or friends.
The Asian student (Korean) is also a Liberal Arts major,hard to find good paying jobs .
You know how it is,the ones who have good jobs get the girls !
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kraftdinner
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posted on February 16, 2008 04:22:21 PM
Yikes, I didn't realize he was that old. I thought he was a teenager when I first posted so I apologize for jumping the gun.
LOL Crow!! I wonder where Neroter is now? Those days were a blast. I think you showed up right around the time Linda lost her mind. Yes, hard to believe she used to be semi-normal and capable of having a discussion. How lost she must be now without the Round Table. Can't you just picture her at home making out with her life size standees of McCain & Romney while crying about the nasty Democrats out there that are trying to suppress her?
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Libra63
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posted on February 16, 2008 05:22:05 PM
It is unbelieve in a thread that is talking about a distrubed young man turns into a thread bashing posters. Somethings never change. How Sad.....
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profe51
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posted on February 16, 2008 06:26:54 PM
I'll wager Linda reads this forum several times a day Kraft...wonder how she feels reading those links with herself as a different person....'course it's all our fault.
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Libra63
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posted on February 16, 2008 07:11:00 PM new
I honestly doubt she reads this. I know when I left for almost 2 years I didn't. It was a sick board and it will continue to be one until you can get over the past and move on.
I wonder why people have to dwell in the past. That is sad. Get someone kicked off then keep talking about her. I will tell you classic could give a care and I am sure Linda is the same. Move on. All of you in here should be happy that the democrats are doing so good but no, you keep talking about Linda. I guess some people are never pleased.
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profe51
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posted on February 16, 2008 07:36:08 PM new
Actually Libra, considering the hatred, intolerance and personal venom that woman spewed here for so many years, I think we've spent precious little time discussing her since she finally spun around so fast she vanished up her own arsehole. If she came back today, I'd continue to ignore her posts as I did for several months before for her final exit.
On topic, there is no accounting for what crazy people will do, and no way to tell who's crazy. Crazy is chaos, and there is no way to predict chaos.
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mingotree
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posted on February 16, 2008 07:37:34 PM new
"""It is unbelieve in a thread that is talking about a distrubed young man turns into a thread bashing posters. Somethings never change. How Sad....."""
Ya, I sure wish you'd stop that bashing , libra.
BTW what does "rampid" mean?
I think that unless linda has a new ID she can't read the RT....wish she could
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kiara
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posted on February 16, 2008 08:09:45 PM new
I honestly doubt she reads this. I know when I left for almost 2 years I didn't. It was a sick board and it will continue to be one until you can get over the past and move on.
Libra, if you are claiming you didn't read here for almost two years then you really have no clue what went on with Linda or how she was acting, do you?
As for living in the past, you were trashing Bigpeepa just a few days ago and he left long ago also. And you took up with Mingo where you left off. Perhaps you should follow your own advice before ordering the rest of us to 'get over the past and move on'.
Mingo, any one can read here whether they are a member of Vendio or not, can't they?
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mingotree
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posted on February 16, 2008 08:27:27 PM new
Kiara, for me anyway... unless I sign in, the heading for the RT doesn't show up....
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Helenjw
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posted on February 16, 2008 08:30:59 PM new
If you are not signed in, under the Community category click on "other Online Marketplaces. That will have a drop down menu where you may click on The Round Table.
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