posted on April 25, 2001 11:15:03 AM new
How can something be misrepresented when tonimar1 wrote in the auction "There is a tag with this item which reads XXXXXX". This is just stating a fact. There are also a DOZEN pictures. I wish more sellers would misrepresent items that way!!
posted on April 25, 2001 11:16:26 AM new
Tonimar1...your emailer was wrong to question your veracity, but he was trying to help you.
He may not have heard of Marcus Stainer but there was such a person in the 1600s who made widgets like yours. Lauten and geigenmacher refer to what he makes (made)...Kufstein is a village in Tyrol (Tiroll) near Innsbruck (Austria).
Like another famous widget maker's widgets, it is very possible this widget is a "copy" that was made in the 1920s as your emailer speculated.
I think I agree with others...it is more important that you make sure this is an authentic widget rather than worry about this emailers rudeness. If it is a fake, your buyer is going to be even nastier to find out they spent much money on a 20th century copy of a 1600s widget.
With items like this it is REALLY important that we know what the item is we sell it. This is the type of item where we don't fall back on "well here is what it says, you decide" type of descriptions.
posted on April 25, 2001 11:47:24 AM new
I also did research on it and I didn't find any Marcus Stainor....I also tried to take a picture of the tag which didn't come good. Lets say which I did not say in my auction that this was an original......I am not asking enough if that is to be the case.
I just listed what I knew about it and I can tell you for a fact this is not a 1920's .
I don't think it is going to meet my reserve so maybe for the best, I personally don't mind keeping it because I do feel from my resarch that it is an orininal, but I had no written infor. to back it up so I didn't state that it is.
posted on April 25, 2001 11:57:02 AM new
The Violin just ended with 17bids and not so bad a price either, but didn't reach reserve.
So, after all is said and done, I will be keepting my misrepresented Violin. I am just as happy to keep it. Maybe I will get it appraised and then relist it.
I would also like to thank everyone who voiced an opion, because that was my reason for coming here. Plus I'm sure, I'll be back......Clint Eastwood, Ha Ha
There is never a duel moment when you sell
on Ebay..
posted on April 25, 2001 12:00:40 PM new
Why would you even bother replying back?
If you're not a liar, you're record will stand on its own. You don't need to defend yourself to someone who 1) isn't a customer and probably will never be and 2)is just out looking for a fight.
Escalate this and you may have a "bidder" who will mess with your auctions in the future. Or worse. Hitting "delete" and blocking the bidder from your auctions will accomplish the appropriate objective.
Don't take things so personally. It will lead to an early grave. You've already wasted enough of your life even thinking about this #%&@#$%.
posted on April 25, 2001 12:12:29 PM new
sulyn1950
1st. my title states what is written on the tag. The only part of the writting on the tag that is in English is the name..Marcus Stainor.....How is my title misleading
Violin-Marcus Stainer-1646yr.Lion Head & Bow
And on the tag it is signed Marcus Stainor..
how is that misleading?
YOU SAID:
"Your title definetly states something that may not be true!"
Tell me what part may not be true.
The tag it looks like it is almost part of the inside wood it is almost blended like into the wood. The writting is in very dark black ink.
Plus, I don't know more then I am stating.
I sell many different types of items, this just happened to be one of them.
posted on April 25, 2001 12:19:38 PM new
You seem to feel that just because some people here disagree with your response that they've never received a nasty email. That's not necessarily true.
Also, it would have been better if you'd asked how you should respond before you sent the email rather than coming here after the fact and hoping that people will agree with you.
The emailer was rude to suggest that you'd lied. You were even ruder back, obviously intent on putting him in his place. What did you really accomplish by doing this?
posted on April 25, 2001 12:31:40 PM new
I rec'd an email not far off from the one you rec'd about an item I was selling. Stated what I'd been told about it but added I wasn't 100% sure.
Rec'd rather nasty email from another eBayer basically saying I was lying to try to get the bids up. Replied nicely that I wrote was I was told, thanked him for his imput but wasn't thrilled with tone.
To make a long story somewhat shorter, he emailed back and apologized for his tone. Said he was tired of seeing sellers, and he was one, trying to get away with murder. Ended up being extremely helpful about the item, sending me links to further study. I learned quite a bit from him and thoroughly enjoyed his following emails. Edited my listing with new information and item sold.
I try to remember you catch more with honey and the nastier they are, the nicer I am. Works 95% of the time and they look like a fool instead of you.
posted on April 25, 2001 01:29:11 PM new
I edited before tonimar1's response to my post since the issue was ended with the close of the auction. I decided to re-post simply to balance out his response. I don't like seeing just one side of an "argument".
I had stated that had he not automatically taken a defensive tone, he may have learned something valuable about his violin.
After reading the ad (title included) and then re-reading the unhappy emailer's email. I feel I am safe in stating this person obviously felt the ad was misleading to potential bidders and I suppose he felt duty bound to point it out. The emailer was out of line simply because he "assumed" the seller was intentionally misrepresenting the item. He should have given the benefit of the doubt.
The title stated-signed-1600's. The emailer said he thought it was a copy from the 1920's. That it came off the tag, I have no doubt, but sometimes what we don't say is as important as what we do.
I ended my original post by saying if someone had won this item and then discovered it was not a 1600 violin they might have been very unhappy and the seller might find themself being called (rightly or wrongly) a scammer (perhaps a better choice of words was in order).....If that happened, I am sure the seller would have felt they were the victim.........
Out of curiosity, did you have any bidders/potential bidders email for additional info or to ask if it had been authenticated????
posted on April 25, 2001 01:48:55 PM new
Well, I came to this one pretty late. Let me just say that the chances of this violin being an authentic 1646 model are close to being nonexistent...
They often duplicate old labels...I can't begin to count the number of aged "Stradivarius" labels I've seen...on old, but not period violins.
I'd take yours to a local museum. If there's even a chance it's 350 years old...they'll tell you and you can take it from there.
It may still have value...depends on the quality. I'm not saying it's impossible that it's "right" - just extremely unlikely.
posted on April 25, 2001 05:41:37 PM new
I received an email reply from this person.
I will start a new thread called
Email Answer!!!
Please go and read the email I got and then tell me he didn't call me a liar.....
posted on April 25, 2001 05:46:54 PM new
tonimar1 - If I lose my temper because of another's words, that means that their words are more powerful than I am. Seldom happens.
Didn't you ask about that violin on the antiques board? I remember answering a question about an old violin, and it wasn't the usual Strad, but a less commonly encountered one ... and I answered that the chances are VERY slim that it's an original Stainer, and excellent that it's a 1880-1930s copy of a Stainer.
Looking at the pictures, I'd have to say it's a copy. The real lion-heads from the 1600s are worn to nubs from use.
posted on April 25, 2001 05:57:56 PM new
abacaxi
No, I never came to the board and asked for info. on the Stainer,
Go to my New thread and read the reply I received.
Yes, I feel 500.00 was a good price also, but I am going to keep it and have it appraised, after that is done I will post what I had found out.
Plus in the first email the person sent me he said the violin was made in Austria, Now in the second email he said Berlin.....He is an expert!!!!!!!
posted on April 25, 2001 07:22:08 PM new
brooklynguy-from bensonhurst-ahh i suppose you never saw Ralph and Alice kramden walking the streets have ya??
