posted on May 19, 2001 01:57:05 AM
It takes both buyers and sellers to build a site. I will say it again, sellers will not waste time listing their items if there are no bidders. And they especially won't be listing their good items.
posted on May 19, 2001 03:48:37 AM
Golly, some folks sure can get upset just because others are looking to branch out a bit. *smile*
Folks that don't want to list and buy on other sites... DON'T.
Folks that do want to list and buy on other sites... DO.
Simple.
By the way... I just wanted to mention that when I DO list on other venues, I list the SAME QUALITY items that I've listed on eBay - often for LESS money than I've listed them for on eBay. (even if it's just .50 or a $1.00 less) The savings from the listing fees IS passed on to the consumers.
This is no different than offering my items on eBay for a "Discount" in order to keep them listed with an opening bid that is less than the fair market value offering on my website.
AND... since I have a niche and regular collectors of certain items, I have NO TROUBLE bringing competitive bids to my listings where ever I place my items... as long as I mention it on my website AND provide links to my other listings within my End Of Auction notices.
For folks like me, eBay isn't always the best venue. For folks like Amy, perhaps eBay is THE one and only best venue for selling.
I happen to think it's important for the Mom & Pop sellers of eBay to diversify ... check out other venues, grow a little in different directions... offer their items in venues that eBay does NOT have it's greedy little finger in the profit pie.
Selling on eBay can be good, and if there is a chance that selling on other venues such as ePier can make it better for consumers... well, then I'm all for that. I don't consider listings on other sites to be a waste of time either. (actually, I think I'd feel strange about NOT trying out other venues.... some of them are quite easy, and if nothing else, can be a learning experience for my own future reference). *smile*
Folks don't need to argue over whether or not to try other venues... or that eBay is so great that none of us could possibly ever desire to take our trading dollars elsewhere. Everybody's gonna do what they feel is best for them!
posted on May 19, 2001 05:07:54 AM
My own criteria for evaluating a site isn't the amount of open auctions with bids. Lots of my own stuff sits for 4-5 days with no bids either, but sell at the end or with BIN. What I look at is the number, type, price, and bids on closed auctions. Right now, Bidville seems to be doing a bit better in that regard. I can find stuff that has sold getting reasonable prices.
Unless I am really not getting it, the only way to see closed/past auctions on epier is to do a keyword search and stipulate that past auctions be included. This is harder to do than a simple category search. I tried "quilting" and found a few closed auctions, but I still came away with little idea of the volume of successfully closed auctions.
Since I normally use a "buy now" feature on the free sites, I think of them as being more like half.com or Marketplace. Sellers on those sites know that the game means stocking inventory and waiting for bites. This doesn't bother me as long as I have some reasonable expectation that a bit might happen...
posted on May 19, 2001 09:27:33 AMBy having such a rigid and unforgiving attitude,
Don't you get it?
Epier is the best thing I've seen come along in a while, and if it falls by the wayside, the ONLY people to blame, will be the very people who complain about Ebay's stranglehold, but did little or nothing to help epier flourish.
[/b] impatient sellers who expect immediate success?[/b]
Geeez, how many different ways can I explain this?
Geeez, how many different ways can I explain this?
Anyone who echoes what the above few posts are saying:
YOU are all part of the problem, clearly NOT the solution.
you have only yourselves to blame.
Myopic, to say the least.
Leave it to you to make an absurd staement such as;
Common sense isn't quite your forte, is it?
Dottie...these are all quotes from this thread, some of which you gave support to.
First, I wasn't angry or upset that someone was saying they were going to list at an alternative site...and from what I could see, neither was anyone else.
But this isn't just a thread about people who have decided to also list elsewhere. This is another thread, in a long line of threads, that is preaching the mantra of "we HAVE to help build competition to ebay". This is a thread that berates and belittles those who do not agree that there is a need to build competition to ebay, or who may agree with the need for competition but do not see listing at these other sites as being in their best interests.
I have no problem with someone saying "I have decided it is best not to put all my eggs in one basket"...but I do think comments such as "I happen to think it's important for the Mom & Pop sellers of eBay to diversify" are out of line. It is out of line not because it is wrong but because it presumes that the poster knows what is best for everyone else.
This whole thread was one of presumptions that a certain course of action (building competition to ebay) was the only way to go and those who said they personally were not going to list at epier and gave the reasons why they weren't were belittled. I didn't see any of those who said they weren't interested in listing at epier say others shouldn't...nor did I see them belittle those of you who want to list somewhere else.
posted on May 19, 2001 09:37:14 AM
I am a small time seller. Last year I lost money. Ebay's fees take up 20% of my profit. Since my profit margin is so small, this is too much. So I have signed up with epier. I will also sign up with other sites as I get the time to analyze their TOS and offerings. I really feel that it is dangerous for me to have all of my eggs in one basket. But different sites take different selling methods, and I have to learn what method works best, as I go along.
On epier, one problem I see is that much of the stuff listed in my area is not really desirable and the prices for it are too high. One seller dominates the category there, right now, with reserves on everything and opening bids that are close to what I believe the true value of the item is. I wish there was a way to do a search that avoids all of their listings, but I haven't figured out how, yet. Even so, in the 3 months I've been registered, I have bought 9 items from (other) epier sellers. I have listed 7 (just testing), sold one and canceled one. Next month I am going to list a lot of auctions (and hopefully, not junk ones). I will have to open with a bid that I'll be happy with, as there won't likely be additional bidders to help run the bid up. On the other hand, the price needs to be low enough that it seems like a bargain -- to attract bidders and any "refugees" from ebay who might come browsing while ebay is having yet another down time.
The second biggest problem with epier auctions, IMHO, is the lack of photos -- either the sellers forget and take the photos down, or they are in a format not compatible with all major browsers. (The first biggest problem, of course, is the lack of traffic.)
I don't find epier to be a clone of ebay, though. Maybe it appears so from a superficial glance. But the layout of the My Pier page and other "workings" of the site do not seem very ebay-like to me. I like it better than I liked Golds, even.
Violetta
(Not known by this nickname anywhere but here.)
posted on May 19, 2001 10:01:00 AM
Amy: you are mistaken. I did not post in support of THOSE comments. And I did not make any of those comments! (I think that is where my reaction about folks getting all upset about whether or not other folks agree with their choices to list on various venues or stick exclusively with eBay came from) *smile*
I AM in support of folks building their own businesses by shopping around the internet and listing on other venues if they feel that eBay (alone) is not enough for them long term.
I did NOT presume to know what's best for everyone (and stated that)... I expressed MY opinion, and that is what this forum is for.
There has NEVER been a time when I've advocated ANY "boycott" of eBay and have always made it clear that I will always include eBay in my online sales activity.
Furthermore, my nose is NOT so far up eBays "behind" (in spite of my Voices participation) that it would break right off if eBay were to make a left hand turn!!! It doesn't concern me whether or not others share MY opinion about the possible benefit of listing on other venues.
I have quietly wondered though... why YOU seem to be SO adamant about cheerleading for eBay. Your personal experiences with that venue (and perhaps the items you list there?) are not necessarily indicative of everyone elses experiences.
I love eBay and enjoy the benefits of that site. BUT... I am not so blinded by my own experiences that I cannot see the circumstances of others. When folks aren't happy with eBay... rather than say "well, if you don't like eBay.. LEAVE"... I suggest that they shop around and make their own conclusions about which venue(s) might best serve THEIR individual needs.
And, anyone that doesn't recognize that a LITTLE bit of competition can be a good thing for all consumers (IF that is ever a result of folks branching out to other venues) is probably "asleep" to some degree.
I sincerely wish everyone well, regardless of their choice(s) of Venue(s).
posted on May 19, 2001 10:03:56 AM
I DO think eBay needs some competition, if only to force them to consider the possibility their arbitrary actions could cause REactions...detrimental to their bottom line. As it is now, they can pretty much do as they please, with no fear of consequences.
This is not good.
I'm not saying I want to leave eBay...so far it's been great. I do, however, want eBay to at least consider my needs, and work to keep me happy. Presently, it appears they could care less...they know I have no options.
posted on May 19, 2001 10:46:47 AM
amy . Ebay's fees take up 20% of my profit It's called overhead..the cost of doing business. no differnt than rent electric phone insurance computers labor ect ect ect ...that all business face
Ebay is entilted to be compensted for the service it provides.
posted on May 19, 2001 10:57:43 AM
Dottie...on May 18 2001 at 08:38:39 pm there was a post that contained the quotes "by having a rigid and unforgiving attitude..." and "don't you get it"
The next post was by you (May 18 2001 08:48:09 )and said..."Ladyfargo: Exactly!!!"
And you know something...my nose isn't so far up ebays rectum that it would break off if ebay did a 90 degree turn...which seems to be what your implying.
I also didn't say ""well, if you don't like eBay.. LEAVE"...". I said "What I don't understand is this...if some of you are so unhappy with ebay why do you stay?". This was a legitimate question asking for clarification of motives.
You said "I have quietly wondered though... why YOU seem to be SO adamant about cheerleading for eBay. Your personal experiences with that venue (and perhaps the items you list there?) are not necessarily
indicative of everyone elses experiences."
I didn't advocate my opinions as indicative of everyone elses experiences...I gave MY opinion. I gave my position as to why I didn't think it was neccesary for ME to list anyplace else...I never said others should follow my lead.
But I do find it humorous that anytime someone supports ebay they are accused of being a "cheerleader"..and of couse the connotation is that to "cheerlead" is somehow ignoble.
Why does cheerleading offend? Is it only PC to grouse about ebay? Is it only PC to see ebay as malicious, stupid, uncaring, greedy? Is it only PC to follow a positive comment about ebay with a negative qualifier? Does cheerleading somehow make the grousing less valid?
I don't know how all other sellers feel about ebay but I do know I have face to face contact with a couple dozen ebay sellers and former sellers. We talk about ebay. Although there is the normal mild grumbling when ebay has had a series of downtimes, or about difficult buyers, or about slow sales this week, the general tone is very positive. Thosae that have left ebay do not say it is because of ebay policies or problems with ebay but rather that the former seller found he/she could get better prices in another venue off the internet. They don't blame ebay for the prices they felt were to low...they just accepted that the ebay marketplace was different and didn't meet their needs...they hold no animosity towards ebay.
Maybe these sellers are atypical...but I have a suspicion that they represent many more sellers than would be obvious from reading these boards...they MAY BE the norm and the general negative tones of these boards may represent the true atypical sellers
posted on May 19, 2001 11:23:26 AM
I've followed this thread from the beginning since I was the first one to post on it. I cannot believe the sniping at each other. I certainly hope you don't treat your customers that way!
The purpose of this thread as I see it, and I could be wrong, was to discus ebay alternatives. If you're totally happy with ebay then why not just skip this thread?
Those of us that are not totally happy have either left or are still here because that's where the buyers are! Now we have the chance to spread our eggs around and learn more about other sites.
Instead of bickering, let's turn the thread in a more progressive direction. For instance, what made you (those of you who did) choose Epier over say Bidville, Ehammer, Bargain and Haggle, Bidbay or any other newer site?
posted on May 19, 2001 11:35:56 AM
Well...I read the positive comments about ePier on this thread and took a look at it. I liked what I saw, so I just listed something. VERY easy...took me about 10 minutes to register and list my item.
Why not? I have multiples of this particular item, so I'm not tying up any stock. I have to dribble these out, or I'll kill them. There's no downside to leaving them there...just to see what will happen. Free relist and all. These will take me years to sell, anyway.
And NO...they're not junk...
I like eBay, but I think options are essential to keep the behemoth in check...
posted on May 19, 2001 11:36:03 AMIf you're totally happy with ebay then why not just skip this thread?
I don't skip threads like this because I am always interested in finding out what else is out there and what other's experiences with these other sites have been. If, by chance, one of these sites DOES start having the traffic and sales I see on ebay then I can add it to my stable of successful sites to trade on. Until then, I'll keep reading and evaluating
Unfortunately, many times the posters to these threads become highly defensive if someone questions the success of these alternative sites or questions whether it would be a good BUSINESS decision to utilize these sites for some or all of their items.
[ edited by amy on May 19, 2001 11:37 AM ]
[ edited by amy on May 19, 2001 11:38 AM ]
posted on May 19, 2001 11:57:29 AM
Amy: I don't know where you've been for the last 4 or 5 years (especially the last 2 years)... but there have been NUMEROUS times when **I** have been called an eBay cheerleader.
I admit that when I first returned from the Voices 1 conference in San Jose back in the spring of 1999, I was eager to share my enthusiasm for eBay and all of the wonderful ways that eBay (along with the community) was going to grow in a positive way.
Perhaps I may have been "asleep" sometimes, in those early voices days... but it is more likely that as time has gone on, it has become a stronger reality that eBay needs the mom & pops... less and less.
You are absolutely RIGHT that it does seem when folks are trying to be positive about eBay, that many view it as "eBay cheerleading"... when I've been accused of this in the past, I've actually STOPPED spilling "happy happy joy joy" posts from my fingertips and considered if my views really did match the views of those trading around me.
Different policies and features will have different effects on the large variety of traders on eBays venue. And while some of us might enjoy the benefits of a particular feature or policy, others are burdened by it.
It seems that the times when I've been accused of "cheerleading" for eBay the most, are the very times that others were hurting and I was too busy enjoying my own successes to *see* them or understand their frustration.
Some unhappy (or unfortunate?) people stay at eBay because there currently doesn't seem to be any viable alternative Auction Sites that (alone) generate enough money for them to pay their bills... and because they have not yet thought of ways to successfully bring BUYERS to other sites.
However, SOME folks are beginning to feel as though listing on eBay (alone) isn't profitable enough for them any more either... and sharing the pool of bidders with eBays latest acquisitions or strategic partnerships leaves a lot of actual BIDDING to be desired.
It is doubtful that folks literally hold eBay *responsible* for their fading successes within that venue. But clearly, eBay has made choices as a business that are not always in the best interest of the Mom & Pops who USED to enjoy better results from their listing fees on that site. Folks that are not holding eBay responsible for their declining profit margins are actually attempting to take responsibiltiy into their OWN hands by seeking other venues in hopes of regaining some control over their OnLine sales.
Fortunately for you, (based on some of your posts to various threads here at Auction Watch) it seems that eBay continues to meet your needs completely. Congratulations! *smile*
But UNfortunately for many others... (based on the various posts to several threads in this forum and in others) they must begin seeking alternatives to sorta "subsidize" themselves due to the increasing hardship some of the changes at eBay has placed on them.
AND... Lucky for us all, that we can be supportive of each other, regardless of which venue(s) we as comsumers decide to utilize.
posted on May 19, 2001 12:12:02 PM
Lady Fargo: You have a good point. I, for one, arrived at ePier and really liked it. Even found something to buy there but it was hard work!
But therein lies the basic problem. Not only with ePier, but with all the new wannabe-ebay sites popping up.
There's not all that much to buy there. I am a recreational shopper. I like to get the kids in bed, the house settled down and the old bod parked in front of the computer then shop till my fingers drop.
It's not too hard to figure out that eBay really caters to my need for an online shopping fix. I can do a title search for example, for "hartland" (which I avidly collect) and get close to 400 listings to drool over, covet, and occasionally buy. However, when I go to ePier I come up with a grand total of ONE listing. Like, BIG WHOOOOOOP! NOT!
So guess where I shop.
Not where I want to, but where I have to. I am a junkaholic. I NEED my daily fix and right now I'm getting in from eBay! Amen!
I can't understand why the sellers who complain so much about eBay (rightfully so) just WILL NOT support another site for any length of time and give buyers a chance to follow them elsewhere.
The bottom line is, I can only shop one site at a time when I'm at my computer. And until sellers (who, incidentally are the folks that buyers buy things from......) go elsewhere, eBay will flourish.
Arrghhhhhhhhhh!
[ edited by bogalucy on May 19, 2001 12:17 PM ]
posted on May 19, 2001 01:04:36 PM
Dottie...I'm sorry if you took what I said as saying you had not been called an ebay cheerleader...I know you have been tagged with that "slur" (that IS the way it is said!).
You said considered if my views really did match the views of those trading around me. and [b]are the very times that others were hurting and I was too busy enjoying my own successes to *see* them or understand
their frustration.[/b]
I agree it is important to have empathy with other's situations although I don't agree that one needs to consider if one's views agree with the views of those trading around us in order to post one's opinion of a given situation.
I realize others may not have the same experiences of ebay that I do and I do realize some feel the "mom and pops" are being driven out...but I disagree with that opinion...and because the views of those trading around me don't match mine does NOT invalidate my opinion.
I have no problem respecting the opinions and experiences of those who are not happy with ebay...I would just like it if those same people could respect my opinions and experiences and not call me names or belittle my opinion when it differs from their...especially when that opinion is one of "happy, happy, joy, joy" ebay is great. I would like the right to say I don't think ebay has made decisions that adversly affect the mom and pop sellers without being skewered for being so ebay politically incorrect
[ edited by amy on May 19, 2001 01:06 PM ]
[ edited by amy on May 19, 2001 01:07 PM ]
posted on May 19, 2001 01:23:41 PM
I THANK everyone who offered their opinions on this, and please forgive Amy, as her feathers are quite easily ruffled.
And Amy, if I upset you so much, please put "ignore" on my ID so I don't upset you so much in the future. Life is tough when you are so fragile. I understand.
posted on May 19, 2001 01:39:32 PM
" and please forgive Amy, as her feathers are quite easily ruffled.
And Amy, if I upset you so much, please put "ignore" on my ID so I don't upset you so much in the future. Life is tough when you are so fragile. I understand.
Ladyfargo...was that really a necessary comment? What did it accomplish? Does your spleen feel better now?
You didn't upset me or ruffle my feathers...far from it! As for being fragile...oh god...how absolutely priceless! You don't know how far you are from the truth about me!
And no, I won't put you on ignore. I won't put anyone on ignore. Even those who I feel contribute the least to these boards (and there are dang few of those) are worth reading because even they can have insights that are worth thinking about. I consider everyone's opninions valuable...far to valuable to toss in the ignore heap. I may not agree with you OR how you say some things, but I don't want to trivialize your opinions by putting you on ignore.
Nor would I trivialize someone elses opinions by suggesting they put me on ignore. I have never shied away from a healthy discussion or debate...even if that discussion got hot and heated.
posted on May 19, 2001 01:49:50 PM
Amy: this THREAD was about alternatives to eBay. The traders in this thread started out attempting to discuss some alternatives.
You stated in an earlier post "This whole thread was one of presumptions that a certain course of action (building competition to ebay) was the only way to go..."
NOPE. The originator of this thread stated this: "Perhaps "Ebay alternative" would have been a better title... "
and This: "I went to check them {ePier} out and was actually shocked to see that they are very much like Ebay in design--just like Gold's used to be, BUT unlike Gold's, the "search" function operates exactly like Ebay's, (Gold's search function was quite poor) and at epier there are a lot of items being auctioned!
Could this be the big alternative everyone's been hoping for????? "
It was an attempt to find ALTERNATIVES to eBay. NOT discuss how successful YOU have been and how eBay continues to meet YOUR needs.
SOOoooo if you were expecting that CONTINUAL posting CONTRARY to the spirit of this thread (as indicated by the originator) would NOT lead to folks wondering what your motives are for expressing yourself so aggressively, well THAT is bemusing!
perhaps if you'd spend MORE TIME "reading and evaluating" ...
as you stated here: "I don't skip threads like this because I am always interested in finding out what else is out there and what other's experiences with these other sites have been. If, by chance, one of these sites DOES start having the traffic and sales I see on ebay then I can add it to my stable of successful sites to trade on. Until then, I'll keep reading and evaluating "
and LESS time antagonizing folks with posts contrary to the topic of the thread... you might actually learn something new. (imagine that)
If you're so inclined to defend your right to list exclusively at eBay (and I don't think anyone in here begrudges you for that choice), perhaps you could start a thread for others who feel the same as you and wish to commensurate.
Now, I have some other things to attend to in the *real world*, so go ahead and have the "last word" in here... YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT!!! *wink*
I had intended on discussing the viability of alternatives to Ebay, specifically epier (which I recently and happily just discovered), but instead I've had to spend waaay too much time simply explaining that alternatives to Ebay are necessary if users are to have any leverage.
posted on May 19, 2001 02:30:27 PM
AS SELLERS WE SHOULD ALL STICK TOGETHER GUYS wherever we list. i am reposting previous information as someone asked about FVF at
EPIER NNOOOO NO LIST,REGULAR GALLERY,OR FVF AT EPIER..NO FEE FOR RESERVE EITHER...JUST FOR ENHANCEMENTS SPECIAL GALLERY BOLD FEATURED..THEY GIVE YOU 5.00 FOR SIGNING UP TO USE FOR IT TOO..ALSO 5.00 CREDIT FOR ANYONE YOU REFER...they are nice..WE ARE ALL FREE TO USE THE SITES WE LIKE,,It's just that
we feel IT'S FREE wish people would try a few items...maybe they would enjoy it too..the MILITARIA category is getting tons of bids..THEY ARE GROWING DAILY.(PIC HOSTING IS SO SIMPLE MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING THEIR PICS RIGHT,,THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED i don'
t think they understand MAIN GALLERY IS FREE!).super nice people...GOOD LUCK EVERYONE INFO BELOW
~~THIS IS A GREAT SITE! Believe me these people KEEP THEIR WORD,they also believe in our freedom as business people
1.No fees except a Special photo gallery & featured..AS PROMISED they are planning on using the money for advertising
2.chat boards no moderator!(click on coffee cup on home page,check it out,,also link from there to live chat..great group of ex-ebayers &
new people helping each other
3.NO CENSORSHIP & NEVER A PULLED THREAD!
4.SURE LINK TO YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS & EMAIL YOUR BUYER WITH INFO ARE YOU KIDDING?
5.LINKS...OH MY YES,RIGHT,IN YOUR DESCRIPTION
YOUR WEBSITE,even OTHER AUCTION SITES BANNERS,AFFILIATE BANNERS,FEEDBACKSITE,AUTIVA WHATEVER this is epier
it's ALLOWED! of course
4.see home page for growth compared to EBAY
more people coming DAILY!
remember sellers are also buyers..
5.GREAT DEALS
6.THEIR PHONE # RIGHT ON HOME PAGE
7.SPECIAL INEXPENSIVE LINK ADVERTISING PROGRAM FOR YOUR AUCTIONS FOR BANNERS..NEAT LIKE 10.00 OR 15.00!
8.FREE IMAGE HOSTING INC FREE GALLERY
9.COUNTERS,END OF AUCTIONS EMAILS TO YOU
AUTOMATICALLY & free BULK LISTING
good luck,check it out if everyone just would list a few items & BE "UNITED" i think this is the site we are looking for.
oh yes,HONEST ANNOUNCEMENT BOARD,THEY POST IF THEY ARE EVEN DOWN FOR 10 MINUTES..VERY STABLE!!
ps. fee for bold,but they give you 5.00 to try it enhancements,also a referral program credits towards enhancements for each one 5.00.
GO EPIER growing every day...
~GROWTH YES!~
ebay vs. epier
size comparison
101 1(2/19/01)
93 1(2/24/01)
84 1(3/08/01)
75 1(3/26/01)
61 1(5/17/01)
I'd say epier is growing! JUST THINK IT STARTED AT
7,300 to 1(6/2000) jumped to
644 to 1(8/2000)
NOW IT'S 61 TO 1
THAT IS PRETTY GOOD
& IT'S STILL FREE,FREE LISTING,FREE SPEECH FREE TO LINK EMAIL ETC...Many sellers there would pay for the freedom..
We have all been burned so many times,but i beleive in these people.ps IT'S FREE TO TRY IT right? oh yes many people don't know they do have in house BULK LISTING, & IMAGE HOSTING ALSO..free
posted on May 19, 2001 02:39:45 PM
Good post, Timetravlers!
To anyone who is thinking "Oh, well, it's free---but for how long!" You're missing the point.
No, it will not remain free forever, BUT epier WILL NOT have the same power Ebay has had in holding users over a barrel. And if epier takes off, Ebay will no longer have as much power to do as they please, irrespective to how it impacts the smaller seller.
Epier would only be bad news for Ebay. An alternative to Ebay is a threat to Ebay. This threat may make Ebay second guess their next attempt at creating an insurrmountable online auction monopoly. ( I am dreading the idea of them forcing us to use their pic service...just dreading it.)
posted on May 19, 2001 02:52:13 PM
skip555 - I may be a small time seller but I'm not naive. In my area of sales, ebay's fees being 20% is NOT reasonable. My associates and friends who are sellers in the same area say that ebay fees amount to only 5% of their profits. So... I have to change something... perhaps expensive ebay is not the right market for what I sell. Or perhaps I'm selling the wrong things. Whatever it is, I'm going to change that.
Violetta
(Not known by this nickname anywhere but here.)
posted on May 19, 2001 02:53:14 PM
hi thanks, this is all info that can be found
on the site, or you can write the owners direct.great support..
the bidding is really picking up, the fees for the enhancements will be used partially for advertising which will help.
we have all been burned,,raised fees INCREASED RULES at ebay,fees at yahoo,
paypal,,supposed to be free..i see why people are cynical...but i believe in trying & then try again..diversifying FOR FREE could be a good thing..in fact since you can link to all your auctions at the pier,,,you could get customers for your website,yahoo or yes even ebay auctions..
i have listed at many sites & get new people from all IT'S CALLED NETWORKING..really needed when sales are slow.
This brings us up the business ladder from just auction dealers TO ON LINE BUSINESS PEOPLE RIGHT? HEHE
ps yes,i fear about the pic hosting too..epier HAS A FREE IMAGE HOSTING..i have used at other sites BUT PLEASE NOTE...EBAY WILL ~SHUT DOWN~ ANY AUCTION USING EPIER PICS don't think they like them ..
good luck everyone,,if you do try epier & need help CLICK ON COFFEE CUP ON HOME PAGE OR ON LIVE CHAT from there FOR GREAT PEOPLE TO HELP YOU...super site..lots of ex-ebayers,lots of new sellers,lots of people that sell at all sites..great ideas exNE THING I WAS WORRIED ABOUT NO FEEDBACK ON A NEW SITE RIGHT?well we all put a link in our auctions to the www.feedbacksite.com it helps
so much!!Hope we ALL have a great summer
posted on May 19, 2001 03:01:15 PM
Dottie..i will take you up on the last word invitation (humongous wink!)
The originator of this thread just posted after your last post this statement...
"alternatives to Ebay are necessary if users are to have any leverage." She said this was her reason for starting this thread.
That is different from just discussing other places to list. that is discussing the need for building competition to ebay.
As for discussing how successful I have been and how eBay continues to meet my needs....isn't that what everyone else is doing in discussing the need to build competition to ebay? In any discussion on a topic like this one is going to use one's own needs and experiences as a point to refer to...Reddeer did it, so did twinsoft, as did shaani and others...as did you and ladyfargo.
If folks have been antagonized by a contrary opinion maybe those folks should not become involved in a discussion like this that will have differences of opinion. Do you seriously want threads where everyone is in agreement with the premise the initiator began with? I always thought you were flexible enough to listen to the other side of the coin...I'm sure i wasn't wrong, right?
Ladyfargo nice to see you have as much time on your hands today as I do. I hope the idle time you have helps you to regain your equilibrium...life can sure stress us out at times
posted on May 19, 2001 03:31:21 PM
Why keep reiterating the size comparison to eBay?
An eBay alternative?
Size Doesn't Matter BIDS matter.
How about a few size quotes regarding "successful listings" on ePier v. eBay?
I just spent an hour over there looking for something to buy.
With cash burning a hole in my pocket, my pants are on fire.
NE THING I WAS WORRIED ABOUT NO FEEDBACK ON A NEW SITE RIGHT?well we all put a link in our auctions to the www.feedbacksite.com it helps