mhillyrd
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:42:02 PM
EG
Do you intend to abide by your proposal?
By the way this is the first time I have ever posted to this forum even though someone said I signed up six months ago.
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eauctionmgnt
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:42:56 PM
I also have been a "lurker" throughout this thread. While I have very much respect for Executive Girl for her continuously helpful posts on these threads, I must say the evidence does not look good for her. At this point, EG I would refund all charges, and appologize to the bidder. We all make mistakes sometimes.
I would also ask Mhillryd to remember that mistakes happen. It seems that the way you approached Executive Girl initially was not a very polite or professional manner. This is definately not a matter that should be considered fraud. It is obviously a mistake that could easily have been made by anyone. If you had been more congenial in your communication, I am sure that a peaceful resolution would have been easier to obtain.
Furthermore, as both parties have been partly responsible for the inflamatory dynamics of this transaction, I would suggest that either no feedback or nuetral feedback be left. Be big enough to admit it. Neither of you truly dealt with things as well as you could have. To leave negative feedback for the other person would be in essence taking a "holier than thou" stance that I do not believe either of you can honestly claim. Both of you should take responsibility for allowing this transaction to spiral out of control.
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shaani
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:43:12 PM
Hmmm....just as I thought. Mine was quite similar. The buttons are metal and large enough to cover the damage. Because of the weave of the fabric more of the threads eventually pull.
As far as the buyer being irate here, how would anyone else like to start reading this thread full of accusations if they were about them? I'd be super pi**ed if I had to come here to defend myself.
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ClearAsMud
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:49:24 PM
Yes, the PICs say a lot about how the garment looks now.
I still find it hard to believe that an experienced seller would have such an oversight regarding the seams and shredding at the button holes.
Fraud charges? Be real.
Why would EG knowing sell something in poor condition?
I've made mistakes buying. I chalk it up to my error, toss it/donate it, and try to be smarter the next time. I wouldn't list it & I would have noticed the flaws as pictured. EG is much more experienced than I am. I don't accept any "attempt to defraud" theories. I believe it was shipped in good condition.
In fairness to both parties believing they are right, I'm for the 50/50 split idea.
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mhillyrd
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:50:03 PM
Actually if you will refer to some of her earlier posts, she even admitted I was not rude. I tried to be polite.....IT DID NOT WORK. I tried to negotiate through square trade it didn't work. I did not become angry until today when I was alerted to this thread going on. I was being thoroughly discussed, and vey unfairly. Not to mention things being said that were not true. I think anyone in my shoes would be angry. Thanks to the person that alerted me again, I was able to tell my side. Again if you check her earlier posts if she handled this garment the way she said she did she should have noticed this. If this isn't fraud then tell me what is?
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psalms139
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:52:09 PM
EG Posted:
When she emailed me at first I thought maybe I could have overlooked something. But then when she said "One of the button holes is so frayed it will not even hold the button closed." That sent a warning signal to me...as you can clearly see...all the buttons are closed! When they are closed I also pull the material ever so slightly to take the side measurements..and not once did the button pop open."
The pictures show there is damage
..but WHEN was the damage done????
also in mhillyrds email she claims it cannot be buttoned..but now it can be??
mhillyrd why didn't you answer EG when she asked? Were you waiting to see how many were or were not in your favor?
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ibuypaper
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:52:11 PM
[img src= http://home.att.net/~larruone/buttons1.JPG]
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BJGrolle
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:54:30 PM
Gee, the very first time I side with EG and it turns out I'm wrong!
Refund and let the buyer do what she wants with the darn thing. Doesn't look to me like it's worth getting back and trying to repair.
http://bjgrolle.freehomepage.com
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ibuypaper
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:55:49 PM
[img src=http://home.att.net/~larruone/buttons1.JPG]
[ edited by ibuypaper on May 23, 2001 05:59 PM ]
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rca001
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:56:19 PM
Mhillyrd waited only until she saw if someone was able to post the pictures, as she stated.
A button can be closed when a suit is off and flat, and not remain closed when the suit is acutally on a body with contours. Now we're getting into hair splitting.
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Capriole
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:57:43 PM
posting photos
[ edited by Capriole on May 23, 2001 06:07 PM ]
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:57:54 PM
The photos do not PROVE *anything*, and pictures can be edited. It DID take 1/2 an hour to email someone a few pictures.
That being said, let me say I have NEVER said I was error free. I am human, and am prone to making mistakes just like anyone here.
I believed (and still do) that the merchandise I sold Mhillyrd was flawless. Had I not believed that in my heart of hearts, I would NEVER have purchased, described, listed, packaged, or shipped out this item.
The pictures she initially sent me (like others posted here) magnified the button holes immensely. I KNEW there was no way I could have missed flaws like that. (And to a point, I was right - because the REAL flaws were nothing like the magnified pictures).
That being said, I can admit I may have missed these flaws, and if the real flaws are the ones in the picture, then I APOLOGIZE. And please keep in mind - if I DID indeed "overlook" these flaws - this does NOT mean I committed a fraud. It was a MISTAKE. There is a huge difference between committing a fraud and making an error.
A refund check will be in tomorrow's mail.
PS - thanks to those of you who gave their advice and opinions without being nasty. It was very much appreciated.
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reddeer
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:58:01 PM
Just trying to help.
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julesy
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:59:20 PM
Anyone taking bets on when this thread is "locked at the request of the originator"?
Sorry this happened to you, Mhillyrd.
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mhillyrd
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:59:22 PM
psalms139
Just imagine the jacket on a person, not a hanger!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the hanger it stays buttoned!
On a person, with a chest!!!! It tends to not want to stay closed since the frayed button hole is right over that particular area!! GOT THAT!
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reddeer
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:59:54 PM
dup post
[ edited by reddeer on May 23, 2001 06:03 PM ]
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psalms139
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:00:24 PM
"A button can be closed when a suit is off and flat, and not remain closed when the suit is acutally on a body with contours
EG's suit was on a Mannequinn.
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amy
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:00:40 PM
Remember...from an earlier post, the seller said..."Attitude? She hasn't gotten "nasty" with me" and that the buyer also said ""I am not trying to be difficult but feel that this item was misrepresented though maybe not intentionally."
Sounds like the buyer was trying to handle it in a professional, diplomatic manner until she found herself being pilloried here and accused of washing the item, delibertly damaging the item, lying, etc.
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ibuypaper
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:01:03 PM
Retchin fretchin...
What'd I do wrong... wrong... wrong...wrong?
I must say the pix are inconclusive...
I would split the difference.
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lotsafuzz
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:01:13 PM
WOW! I've been around a long time and this thread is a first: buyer and seller AND pictures!!
If the buyer and seller are actually going with a vote tally: I vote FOR the buyer (refund is due).
As for the statement from the buyer that the damage could have been an oversite: I've done the same thing when writing sellers of damaged goods. It is usually obvious the seller knew before shipping (hell, before listing) there was a problem.....but why start out calling the seller a lying jerk?
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pumpkinhead
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:01:29 PM
Mhillyrd,
After looking at the pictures, I too believe that EG owes you a refund. That type of woven fabric tends to tear at seams and pull, thereby making it fray. However, I certainly don't think she was trying to defraud you or anyone else. Why would an ebay seller with 3 years under her belt do something like that intentionally? It really doesnt sense. If anything, it was overlooked. We all make mistakes, noone is perfect.
With that said, I think EG should refund Mhillyrd and that both parties should agree not to neg each other. It really wont accomplish much...
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headhunter265
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:02:35 PM
pretty good dig psalms139..Didn't seem to notice any posts by our "victim" EG since the new pics were posted...Error in judgement coming here with this on both sides. Time to apologize EG. ;-(
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copperqueen
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:03:08 PM
whoops, double post.
[ edited by copperqueen on May 23, 2001 06:06 PM ]
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copperqueen
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:03:38 PM
EG
Eat up!
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zoomin
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:03:43 PM
psalms & Mud:
I agree.
I know the brand, the buyer probably did as well. Good deal for $20.
IMHO, there may have been a bit of fraying due to the nature of the material. It appears that either it was less than the buyer expected or buyer remorse. It appears that the "condition" has been altered after receipt (for whatever reason).
I could miss a button hole while dressing Dolly (my gal), but I always check seams. I'm sure EG does, too.
My Vote?
A lesson learned by both sounds. Donate the item to charity, split the cost, and a neutral.
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reneeshere
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:04:33 PM
I just cant believe that this thread is 10 pages long!
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cdnbooks
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:04:46 PM
Reddeer
You are soooooooo helpful!!! 
Nice pic.
What more needs to be said?
Bill
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lotsafuzz
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:05:31 PM
What grounds would the SELLER have to neg the BUYER?
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mhillyrd
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:06:01 PM
If indeed EB refunds the money, I will not post negative feedback or pursue this otherwise. This is all I asked from the beginning. I don't know anything about how this works but can you tell me how long this thread stays open. I will let you know if the refund comes through even if I have to open a new thread.
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rca001
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posted on May 23, 2001 06:08:27 PM
I strongly recommend to both EG and Hillyrd that they ask the moderators to close this thread now. EG posted, and agreed to refund. That's it. Its over and done, and leaving the thread open only allows people to take nasty jabs at EG, which at this point is not appropriate, IMO.
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