posted on June 10, 2001 06:32:56 PM new
Well, I caught justntyme's post before it was deleted by the mods. (I assume that is who made it just disappear.) Two people, not one. I still vote for "not a troll."
heygrape: I'm not sure that the original poster was "making up" anything. Perhaps she wasn't as fully informed as she thought she was regarding the "bogus receipts". On the other hand, why even bring it up in here (behind her friend's back)at all? If she was bothered all that much, why not talk to her friend first, if only to get her facts straight, or clear the air?
[ edited by gk4495 on Jun 10, 2001 06:40 PM ]
posted on June 10, 2001 06:34:05 PM new
Please feel free to check my user ID at eBay to verify that I am not a troll and that I am simply trying to help my family. I am not being dishonest in the least. The facts will show themselves if you look.
posted on June 10, 2001 06:45:41 PM new
Whew! I have a friend who is constantly bragging about herself and her life. Everything she has/does/buys is bigger, better, more, etc (and cheaper too!) funny thing, we both own lots in Arizona, and she bought the same fence as us, the same trees as us, and the same plants as us. (But, of course, hers are bigger, and were cheaper!)She even has the same sprinkling system as us. Sometimes I get so mad at her (she's also a user) that I could scream. But guess what? I still consider her my friend, because I know she will stick by me through thick and thin, no matter what. And no, she will never read this post because she doesn't "computer"!! Thanks for letting me unload! I spent all week with her in Arizona, and was about to go nuts!
posted on June 10, 2001 06:48:46 PM new
I am soooo upset I never thought this could happen -- these two were great friends and now this whole issue has been totally blown out of proportion thanks to ebay. Some say that money is the root of all evil and others say that the lack of money is the same root however now these to great friends are forever rent asunder by the lack of comprehensive health care system at all levels of our society -- we can put a man on the moon -- why can't people get along and get proper health care? Huh? I will definitely vote for the Democrats in the next election -- meanwhile I have to drive an old unrestored International Travelall and get two very upset ladies to kiss and make up.
J--- was so upset when I criticized her for not knowing what a semi-colon looks like on the keyboard I thought we would never recover from that one NOW WE HAVE THIS FIASCO!
posted on June 10, 2001 07:02:05 PM new
healthcare?
Lack of Money?
i paid for the goods the same day i recieved them.
This has NOTHING to do with health care and money being evil! This has to do with a "friend" stabbing another "friend" in the back on a public community board. I have 2 phone numbers. She could have called me on either to talk to me. Instead she decides to spread untruths about me here. Looks like dad takes out a new account to defend his baby girl...keep the international at home daddy, this *%($off young lady is done playing.
posted on June 10, 2001 07:10:45 PM new
I looked at both of those involved auctions. No where does justntyme say "charity" She says fund.
And, the poster of this thread is big into keyword spamming.
Although I don't completely agree with what justntyme is doing in her auctions (how would you like to be a seller selling the same stuff she is and compete with auctions to help a sick child? ) it is up to ebay to call her on it if she is doing something against their TOS. They are the ones that say the View Item page should only contain information about the item for sale.
I think both of these sellers involved had not a clue to the other's real feelings about them.
posted on June 10, 2001 07:17:04 PM new
Yep this thread is almost as good as the posting on Cyberia listserv (a legal listserver on the Internet) where a defendant in a lawsuit thought he was communicating privately with his lawyer and not with the list -- deadly serious to the first parties but highly amusing to the third parties!
posted on June 10, 2001 07:17:36 PM new
You speak of Allison, in your auctions, like she is not your daughter, but someone you are trying to help. Why? This is even vague on your ME page. Why do you not refer to her as your daughter?
I also have a hard time believing the two of you could spend 2200.00 on ornaments
or that you would let Allison read that post, that is if she did.
I have to go with a troll & the original poster & justntyme being one & the same or working together on this to, maybe boost sales or whatever.
posted on June 10, 2001 07:19:15 PM new
THe funny thing about this is we split the items purchased at this auction so we would NOT be competing with each other. She would not have even known about the auction she refures to if I had not invited her. At the same time:
B...I would like to know your oppenion on how I should do this. What do you think I should do differently? I want people to understand this is not just for Allison, but others as well. I welcome CONSTRUCTIVE critisium! If I didn't want that I would not have posted my name for you to check me out. Tell me, what would you do if you knew your 11 yr old would need a lung transplant and you needed money to pay for it?!? I am the Chairman for the Kansas Chapter of the National Foundation for Transplants. I helped someone else get a liver transplant this year! I know how it works. I want to keep my daughter as long as possable. If someone is offended, they don't have to bid. You tell me, what would you do?
posted on June 10, 2001 07:23:06 PM new
In responce to mc, I didn't tell people up front about being Allison's mom because I was afrade of what people would think. I didn't want pitty email or donations. I wanted to get to know people better before I gave to much personal information. If you read the whole discription and go to the web sight you can see the whole story about Allison. I don't know what is vague about the ME page, I even posted a picture of the whole family.
posted on June 10, 2001 07:28:12 PM new justntyme Not being sarcastic about this. For starters, check your spelling on your auction & your about me page, many mistakes. Also when using the word (i) always capitalize it. (I)
If you have trouble spelling, ask for help.
posted on June 10, 2001 07:28:41 PM new
Isn't CF frequently called the Invisible Handicap?? The child looks, behaves and seems healthy, but has to go through a tremendous amount of daily care to stay that way.
Maybe your auction partner just doesn't quite understand just what CF is and what it is doing to your child.
Maybe if the 2 of you can see past this ---you could meet for coffee on neutral ground and talk this all over. She obviously is bugged by something and felt that this was a safe place to vent---you were never identified in either Ebay ID or items that you sold or even the city you live.
posted on June 10, 2001 07:32:25 PM new
justintyme---you could do with a few paragraphs in your auctions too. It would make them look nicer and easier to read.
If you put <p> a new paragraph will start with a space between them
posted on June 10, 2001 07:50:57 PM new
You are right Z
This is why it has been so hard to get SSI. She can do everything as a normal person therefor she does not fit the standerds of being "disabled" like someone in a wheelchare. We have hired attorneys to help us, but it always gets denied due to a clause passed by the Clinton admin keeping deadbeats from getting SSI. At the same time he prevented children from getting it unless they were grosely disabled.
Every time I have tried to talk to her about anything this personal the subject gets changed. I never pushed it because I know it is a hard thing to deal with. When Allison was in the hospital from 5/7 to 5/20, even though Allison knows her, she never went to see her.
posted on June 10, 2001 07:56:19 PM new
Your about me page is fine, I meant you were vague about Allison being your daughter there too.
I see no reason not to say you are speaking of your daughter & to say you are autioning on eBay to suppliment your income to help pay for Allison's care. It would pull your pages together & make things more understandable. I already knew she was your daughter when I read them, but if I didn't I would wonder why you were including your family members along with Allison, the girl you were trying to help. Knowing she's your daughter brings it together.
posted on June 10, 2001 08:06:48 PM new
Thanks for the advice guys. I am very greatful and I will do these thing. The sad thing is these things are so simple and non offending....and comeing from strangers. This would have been so well recieved from my friend. How do you go about trusting this person again after this?
posted on June 10, 2001 08:14:28 PM new
barrol, I know about the charity auction section and like I said, I am still wateing for the 501c3/EIN #. This is something they require before they will set you up as a charity. Minimum 90 day investigation, then you have to answer their questionair and wate another 60 days for approval, and so on, and so forth...
posted on June 10, 2001 08:15:41 PM new
>>I didn't tell people up front about being Allison's mom because I was afrade of what people would think. I didn't want pitty email or donations.<<
Sorry to say it, but I find the auctions somewhat mis-leading. You should be up front with people. Say something like "50% of all proceeds from all of my auctions go to pay for my daughters medical expenses". That would not be objectionable.
posted on June 10, 2001 10:06:11 PM new
When I first read this thread I was appalled and two hours later I am still appalled. It may just be the kind of person I am but I would never, ever post problems with a friend on a public forum for the whole world to read. It seems to me that there was some jealousy going on here and the original poster, "the friend"(A term I use loosely), wanted justification of her feelings. It also sounds like there was some embellishments on her part to make her friend look worse. Someone else asked why the original poster had not showed up again, could it be because she feels rotten? I would if I were her. I do agree that Justntyme needs to leave the bulk of the information about her daughter on her about me page because the auctions look kinda cluttered, but I can't really see what else she would be doing wrong other than taking bids from her "Friend."
Justntyme : If I were you I would run, not walk, as far away from the original poster as possible. She doesn't seem like a very good friend to me.
Yet another pointless edit to try for bold one more time
[ edited by caravaggio on Jun 10, 2001 10:14 PM ]
posted on June 11, 2001 01:19:58 AM new
Justntyme,
There is nothing misleading in your ads. To me at least you did not need to say the word 'daughter' since it was *obviously* implied by the wording of the ad. And since you are not even asking for a charitable donation there should be no problem with eBay on this point.
However you are plugging your web site and stating clearly you have other items for sale there. Nothing wrong with that in any ones eyes, unless they belong to eBay which is in a full scale assault on the SHERMAN ANTI-TRUST ACT with its monopolistic restraint of trade policies of forbidding links.
BTW - The pic of the kid *is* tacky.
Theres gotta be a loophole with the health care system you haven't thought of. Such as having 'poor' relatives or in-laws adopt the kid so that they will meet income requirements.
posted on June 11, 2001 04:53:09 AM new
"...same time he prevented children from getting it unless they were <b>grosely disabled</b>" This is not a true fact!! I have a son who is on SSI. If you met him, you would NEVER guess that he is disabled. Mentally. He is bery polite, very respectful, and very handsome. He is 29 years old. He cannot work due to his disability (full time anyway). His problem? schizoprhrenia! He is not grossly disable. A person who is physically or MENTALLY disabled and cannot work due to his condition qualifies for SSI. AND, children who are that seriously ill should be able to qualify for medicare (not medicaid, if income exceeds limit) I feel for justntyme and her daughter's condition, as we have had huge amounts of tragedy and illness in our family besides my son, but, at the same time, if the original poster is real, I know how it feels to constantly be told how great and wonderful everything in the other persons life is. Once in awhile it is noce to be told how great and wonderful YOU are! And thank your friends for the things they do for you, dont take advantage. Im not saying that's what has happened here, just my opinion for what it's worth!
posted on June 11, 2001 05:12:04 AM new
Wow, this is the toughest question I've seen on AW.
1) The originator of the thread did not identify her "friend." She was asking for advice. This was not a betrayal.
2) The friend is facing a serious emotional and financial dilemma. I don't know what I would do, but picking apart her auctions and correcting her spelling is hardly appropriate. She is dealing the best she can.
3) Justntyme, I would give you this advice. Be honest and don't be deceptive (which you may call "pride" ). If you must, plainly state the proceeds of the auction will go towards your daughter's medical bills. It made your friend uncomfortable that you did not reveal this information, and it may make others uncomfortable or confused. There is nothing wrong with "pity money" as you call it. People are willing to help if you will let them. There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and I know you want to do this as honestly as possible. Don't let pride or shame get in the way.
I know you'll be looking for a new friend, but try to forgive her. She didn't intend for you to read this.
posted on June 11, 2001 05:15:45 AM new
Slime like her continue their process and move from *friend* to friend non stop.
I would cut all ties and walk away.
Who needs them?
posted on June 11, 2001 05:41:42 AM new
Kind of ironic, some really nice advice has been given here, in a place that broke my heart when I first read it.
I know people read her posting and think I have been rubbing it in her face how much better I am doing then her.... I haven't. I have made a spreadsheet that will track my sales. I did the same for her. I have told her how impressed I am with her auctions, she does sell more than me, and she also lists more than me. I have never been jealous. I have been proud of her, and I have expressed it to her. I have always offered to share with her and good auctions I find, or Ideas I've had.
Again, it's not the fact she posted here that upset me so bad. It's the fact that she posted <b>LIES</b> about me here. I don't feel she wanted to "fix" her feelings and settle anything. I think she wanted to start trouble for me on eBay and felt guilty. I also think she thought by posting here she would get some justifications to what she wanted to do and feel less guilty.
Notice a few things here. Her first posting brought a mixture of responses. Some in favor of her, some skeptical. So what does she do, she comes back with some LIES to make me sound worse and get others to feel sorry for her. Like the bogus receipt think.
As far as forgiving her, I have. I am not a malicious person. I could say many things here to hurt her, but I haven't. I am not planning to continue contact with her t this point either. Why subject myself to someone who will lie about me on some message board that could affect my family’s income. One of you said she posted here because she felt I would never read it and not to be too mad at her. Do you think it is ok to lie about someone just because you thing they won't read what you posted? Not I.
posted on June 11, 2001 05:45:18 AM new
vamacoot - in responce to the SSI think, your son is hardly a child. When he was a child, the law I am speeking of did not exhist. I have someone else i met through eBay who has a son with Skit. She lives in Washington. I am sorry for you and your son and I hope he is doing well. You will be in my prayers.
As far as the adoption thing, I am as poor as it gets in my family LOL
posted on June 11, 2001 06:16:15 AM new
justntime....you are correct, he is hardly a child anymore, but has had the problem since childhood, just not diagnosed until teenager. The point I was trying to make though, is that most disabled people (whether child or adult) are not "grossly disabled" as you stated. And for all those who think SSI is a ripoff, try supporting a 29 year old person on 471.00 a month, including rent, groceries, medical, etc. BTW, I looked at one of your auctions...looked nice to me, and I didn't "read" anything such as charity...I read fund for ill child. Big difference. Good luck in your endeavor! And god bless the children.
