toyranch-07
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posted on February 13, 2001 06:12:45 PM new
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=2&thread=330966
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=2&thread=331069
This is an attempt at continuing these two threads which were locked for 'dominating the ebay forum', along with others.
<heavy sigh>
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lovepotions
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posted on February 13, 2001 06:18:10 PM new
I had posted on one of them in the middle of the 3rd page of it offering the server the domaina and the start up costs........not a single person in over 3 additional pages of bickering even acknowledged that......
And that subject did dominated the Ebay forum since it was sprouting many side threads and was not Ebay oriented.
This is the more apropriated place to discuss it.
http://www.lovepotions.net
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dman3
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posted on February 13, 2001 06:57:39 PM new
lovepotions
I noticed your post But I must have miss read it I though you said you and your business partner had got the server to start your business.
But I did see it if I miss read it its posible others did too 
ToyRanch
I here that sigh for sure and had a few of my own after reading a few of the posts.
I still believe its a great life if we dont weaken
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
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lovepotions
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posted on February 13, 2001 07:19:47 PM new
My business will be an auction site *wink*
btw dman3....I tried to check out your website.....did you move it? The link leads to a no longer in service message.
http://www.lovepotions.net
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packer
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posted on February 13, 2001 07:54:55 PM new
Well crap.....I don't like it here in the basement ITS TO DARK 
packer
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molly001
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posted on February 13, 2001 07:55:40 PM new
Howdy!
Toy ~ packer just started a new thread of the Mission Statements she has gathered so far on the EO. We just found out you guys were (downstairs as Pocono told us ) down here. Hopefully pack will make it here as well!
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molly001
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posted on February 13, 2001 07:56:51 PM new
Whoops! packer you beat me here. Boy do I feel silly....
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fountainhouse
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posted on February 13, 2001 08:10:01 PM new
Yep, that old AW logic strikes again -- "If too many people want it, better lock it up!"
<grumble>
So, anybody got a match? I can't see a thing...
Nancy
[email protected]
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packer
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posted on February 13, 2001 08:12:37 PM new
molly....LOL
Don't feel silly, I'm glad you made your way through the dark.
There is an appeal going on in the Moderators Corner. Go voice your opinion
packer
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packer
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posted on February 13, 2001 08:15:11 PM new
LOL
Passing fountainhouse a box of MATCHES and a Candle.
Now don't don't burn the house down
packer
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fountainhouse
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posted on February 13, 2001 08:20:58 PM new
Candle? Hell, I'm so miffed I was going to light this here cigarette. 
Want a puff?
Nancy
[email protected]
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dman3
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posted on February 13, 2001 08:25:40 PM new
lovepotions
My Web site has gone black due to a hosting issue I havent had time to set up a host as of this time
With my auctions full time job trying to keep up on this Co-Op stuff I just havent had time.
Talk about delemas they not only blacked put my web site They cut off my FTP privilages I have had to get a new Computer since I put the page togeather so I dont even have My Folders and file to tranfer I need to start over.
I do have older versions of my web site with other hosts so not all is lost I just need time .
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
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packer
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posted on February 13, 2001 08:26:23 PM new
Ok fountainhouse, I'll bring the Bud Light.
We drink and smoke everybody out.
You watch they will probably put up NO SMOKING signs.
LOL - packer
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fountainhouse
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posted on February 13, 2001 08:36:16 PM new
Not much fear of that, packer. Nobody in here 'cept you & me. LOL
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packer
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posted on February 13, 2001 08:37:24 PM new
I'm back!
Out of the LIGHT..Into the DARKNESS!
I brought my seeing eye dog with me this time. His name is "packer"
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fountainhouse
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posted on February 13, 2001 08:43:06 PM new
Good doggie. Wanna beer?
Geez, I hope the mods reopen at least one of those threads upstairs -- we've rather messed this one up I'd say. <g>
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MrJim
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posted on February 14, 2001 04:35:05 AM new
toyranch:
Maybe the Round Table forum would be the place.
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stockticker
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posted on February 14, 2001 05:35:35 AM new
Another possibility is to start using a sig line which consists of a link to the current co-op discussion here on this forum.
Irene
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pcalton
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posted on February 14, 2001 08:13:04 AM new
just an observation... you all seemed to be getting more done when the arguments were going on.
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codasaurus
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posted on February 14, 2001 09:18:26 AM new
Hello Toy,
Have you looked at 321Gone? This site appears to be in need of sellers and bidders and the fee structure is very reasonable.
Perhaps one way to form a viable co-op is to get a commitment from sellers to "deliver" a certain number of auctions to a site in return for a reduction in the rates charged those sellers?
The co-op could simply negotiate the deals with the various auction sites and maintain a membership list/database to track the number of auctions each co-op member contributes to the pool for the reduced rates.
That way, the co-op reduces its operating costs teremendously. No massive auction site to maintain and keep available. Etc, etc, etc...
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quickdraw29
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posted on February 14, 2001 09:44:44 AM new
If you go through countless of threads bashing these other sites as ebay wannabees (even Yahoo was called that despite their innovations), do we want a co-op that is an ebay wannabee? I certainly don't from a marketing perspective, but that is the direction it seems to be going.
Fee structure has to be a monthly or yearly membership flat rate fee. You list more, you get the incentive by reducing per listing cost, and the site benfits by having more listings.
New buyers should be charged a yearly membership fee, this discourages deadbeats.
Need a target audience. Can't please everyone so why try? It's too expensive to try!
This is part of the feasibility study, tried and tested marketing plans.
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codasaurus
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posted on February 14, 2001 10:05:10 AM new
Hello Quickdraw,
"New buyers should be charged a yearly membership fee, this discourages deadbeats."
Forget it. Not a chance. Why would someone pay money to be able to bid (and not necessarily even win) on a site when there are so many sites available where membership is free?
You want to discourage deadbeats? Fine. But do it in a manner that is not going to discourage the legitimate buyers.
How about some form of verification like OAUA currently uses?
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shar9
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posted on February 14, 2001 10:48:35 AM new
Good morning quickdraw,
I probably shouldn't post here. I am a buyer only and not even much of that since Ebay has changed things so much, the outages, the endless list of stuff to go through that are in the wrong catagories etc.
I understand the problems that sellers have with deadbeats and the problems that Ebay is putting upon you sellers and I don't like it anymore than you sellers do because it hurts the buyers in the end too. This is probably to early to address the following but since you mentioned it, I hope you don't mind that I do.
Do you really think a charging a fee for buyers to be able to *buy* your product is the way to go? Yes, I know that WalMarts and other places charge a fee for me to shop. As soon as they did this, I quit buying there. Could I save money in the long run by paying this fee? Who knows because I am not *giving* my money to anyone to be able to buy *their* product.
I also understand that credit cards and Pay Pal or money order or whatever other new ways to pay for items is good but I skip those auctions.
I respect the right of sellers to do business whatever way works for them just as I know sellers will appreciate the fact that as soon as I see *No Checks* I respect their rights. I don't even mind waiting 14 days for my check to clear. I understand and do not blame the seller for doing so.
You might ask why I prefer checks? The reason is because I want to write my check the minute the auction closes and I contact the seller for the address so I can deduct that amount from my check book at that time and get it in the mail the next day. IF I don't have the money in my checking account I don't shop or charge it to pay later. I consider it a luxury not a necessity to buy glass so don't use a charge card for these items.
I also don't buy IF the postage is not clear and don't receive a reply by the time the auction closes. Just a definition of what *exact shipping charges means* would be nice. I will not assume that they mean *exact postage means exact shipping and insurance* until I hear. I also don't mind a small Handling fee but I like to know what it is.
I am hoping that there is a Coop and that it turns out to be a wonderful place for you but you have to have a reason for buyers to want to go to this new place.
I wish all of you success.
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tentwentytwo
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posted on February 14, 2001 11:38:02 AM new
I am almost strictly a seller, but that having been said, I think it's necessary to acknowledge bidders like Shar9, and the effort they make to add to this discussion.
Excellent post IMHO.
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quickdraw29
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posted on February 14, 2001 07:47:32 PM new
What I mean by a buyers membership fee is to make it look like an exclusive club, just like Sam's Club charges yearly fees. It feels great to belong to a club (could even incorporate the word club into the name of the site). Other aution sites you can just come and go, but a club you want to come back to and stay. That was the idea behind the buyers yearly fee, and figured it would help deter deadbeats too. The deadbeats I'm referring to is the common kind found on Yahoo, like the kids who just bid to see who can rack up the most negs.
I've got tons of ideas about ways to add value for buyers to compensate the fee, make it cheaper for everyone and increase sales for sellers. The ideas I have would make a buyer go to the co-op first before searching ebay. But, we're not that far, still in the feasibilty stage.
Mainly right now, a fee structure needs to be considered to see how we can make the site financially feasible, and I just gave my input for thought.
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deco100
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posted on February 15, 2001 02:04:02 AM new
Sounds good, a Club! And do we have to make it non-profit? Doesn't that just complicate things? Make it for profit but in actuality it won't have any after paying wages and throwing money back into hardware and advertising, etc,.Even the IRS doesn't expect a new business to show profit for 5 years.
Whatever we do we better start doing it fast before everybody loses interest and can't find us anymore. Also I feel 99% of us are not equipped to do this and the 1% that are, are pretty busy with their listings.
How about passing the hat and collecting some money from everybody that has an interest in this and then getting these plans made by people that do this professionally. A feasibility study and a projected start up budget? And a one year operating budget so we can see exactly what we're looking at? After all it's only a buck, (or 10 or 20)!
Most of us are way out of our league here and would be better put to use by bringing in our customers and starting to collect the literally millions of "bargains" we're going to need to open up with. (or by donating money if we are able)
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lovepotions
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posted on February 15, 2001 02:21:40 AM new
deco100
I'm switching you to decaf *wink*
http://www.lovepotions.net
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deco100
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posted on February 15, 2001 04:36:02 AM new
Well, I guess I got my point across! My sincere apologies, it didn't look like it ever loaded. Moderator please delete those multiple posts if possible.
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packer
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posted on February 15, 2001 10:31:37 AM new
Hi toyranch,
As I was perusing all the "old" original threads to this co-op idea, their were many with good qualifications offering their services with their e-mail addresses.
I'm wondering if you took note of those and contacted any of them?
If not, and if you want, I can go thru them and copy the e-mails and qualifications(if stated) to make a list and send it along to you.
I never did hear if twinsoft or Jamie did this or not.
I know there were many that were eager.
All Jamie & twinsoft has said is they got several hundred e-mails regarding interest.
Jamie, twinsoft,
If that is so, that you indeed did hear from many ready, willing and able to help, and if you had many with ideas but were afraid to post them here.
Then here is my suggestion to you.
This is since the rest of us don't have the privledge of seeing your e-mails.
What you need to do is take a general censes of your e-mails of what everyone wants or has suggested(maybe by percentages) and post them back here.
It would also be a good idea to evaluate all the threads also.
For instance go thru and see how many want FVF versus Listing Fees, how many want non-profit versus not-for-profit(although I don't understand the difference, but there was enough debate over it.) Well you get the picture.
Combine the board chat with your e-mail surveys and report here your findings.
That would give the rest of us a good idea where this whole thing stands.
We have to start somewhere and as it is now I don't see anything starting.
packer
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dman3
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posted on February 16, 2001 08:29:24 PM new
There is now Links to the Co-Op Discussions on my website.
which is working once again if you veiwed my webpage before you may need to purge your browsers cache or hit the refreash button if it dont load on the frist try I had to move it to a new host.
click here
www.Dman-N-Company.com
Scroll down click the [u] Co-Op Central [/u] link you will find discussions on this online sellers Co-Operative dateing all the way back to 10/3/00 to the present with links to the build it discussion board.
I know my web site is not Auction watch competition so I think this indirect link to the Central Co-Op discussion board is not against any AW rules or anything.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
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