GreedBay
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posted on September 20, 2001 08:24:44 AM new
To whoever said the following-
<<<Without direct control, ebay CANNOT guarantee that the funds go to the charities. IF funds are collected and NOT sent to the charities designated then ebay can be criminally charged with conducting a swindle. Ebay HAS to have control of a charity drive to ensure there are no improprieties. they would have NO control over the funds collected through paypal. >>>
Nor does eBay have any direct control over funds once they go to VISA etc. through their
"donate cash" link, or the link on their Internet alliance page, but they still have and support those links.
[ edited by GreedBay on Sep 20, 2001 08:25 AM ]
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Eventer
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posted on September 20, 2001 08:24:50 AM new
Can that same courtesy to others who may differ a different OPINION as to AFA auctions?
Looks like I'm still waiting for a reply.
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GreedBay
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posted on September 20, 2001 08:27:30 AM new
LOL <click>
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roofguy
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posted on September 20, 2001 08:40:14 AM new
I would guess that eBay has no control over the funds collected through MC and Visa by Disney either, yet that hasn't stopped them from running A4A auctions.
The Disney auctions are not AFA auctions.
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on September 20, 2001 08:51:33 AM new
The Disney auctions are not AFA auctions.
One wouldn't know it, from the logos on the auctions.
What do you suppose the chances are that an ordinary eBay seller could make up the same kind of logo to use on their auctions?
By the way, isn't there some sort of size restriction on these kind of banners?
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amy
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posted on September 20, 2001 10:48:19 AM new
I would guess that eBay has no control over the funds collected through MC and Visa by Disney either, yet that hasn't stopped them from running A4A auctions.
Look at the Disney auctions carefully.
1) The listing was created using Auction Assistant Pro. Since AA does not support listing an A4A auction, these auctions were not listed as an A4A auction.
2) there is no A4A icon next to the title banner in the auction as A4A auctions have. Further proof that these auctions were not listed through the A4A program.
3) Disney's banner says they are SUPPORTING the A4A and are donating the proceeds from their auctions to A4A.
Look carefully at the A4A information pages. On those pages ebay suggests to those sellers who do not want to donate the entire sales price that they hold their auctions as usual and THEN DONATE the amount of the sale they want through the DONATE CASH option.
Disney is obviously going to be using the CASH donation option. They are running their auctions as usual and donating the proceeds.
The statements about ebay needing to keep control is not negated by the option Disney has chosen. That statement was directed towards control of the donation once it is made. Ebay STILL has control of the donation once Disney has made the donation.
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roofguy
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posted on September 20, 2001 11:14:14 AM new
Ebay STILL has control of the donation once Disney has made the donation.
That's not what Disney says.
Disney says they will donate to the September 11th fund, a United Way fund completely beyond the control of eBay.
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GreedBay
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posted on September 20, 2001 11:26:01 AM new
<sigh> The disinformation generator is on again...
#1. Excerpt from Disney's Press Release circulated all over Wall Street yesterday-
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<<<Disney Auctions Supports eBay's 'Auction for America'>>>
True statement, but full truth ends here...
<<<All Proceeds From Items Auctioned During the Week of September 17 Will Be Donated to September 11th Fund >>>
So they say while they channel funds into THEIR OWN payment system, which is the ONLY WAY anyone can pay for an auction...
<<<WHAT: Disney Auctions has joined eBay's "Auction for America" program.>>>
Uh NOPE, it hasn't as of this posting, at least by the guidelines eBay has asked the rest of the sellers to.
#2. <<<Ebay STILL has control of the donation once Disney has made the donation.>>>
Uh NOPE, not according to Disney, since I have talked to Disney officials about this- 3 have told me the money goes DIRECTLY from THEIR payment system to 911.
And from where did that tidbit of falsity come from?
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amy
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posted on September 20, 2001 11:40:25 AM new
greedbay...would like to give the name of the three people you talked to at Disney. Its not that I don't believe you, but...
Go to the A4A home page and click on the "donate cash" button. You will see that the September 11th Fund is one you can donate to directly. Nothing in Disney's press release or auctions suggest they will not be donating this way. The funds they are giving is going to the September 11th fund as support of the A4A
If anyone is giving false information it isn't me.
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GreedBay
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posted on September 20, 2001 11:46:33 AM new
Amy... Anything for you, but yer gonna have to WORK for it...
Go find my other post, the first one with the entire Disney Press Release on it. Scroll down to the end of the Press Release. There, you will find the name of the nice young lady who authored that Press Release, and her phone number, whom I have talked to 3 times in the past 2 days (the number 3 is coincidental, beacuse I've talked to 3 MORE people there too).
(That was a hint.)
(Good luck.)
Edited to add, since the hint wasn't gotten- then CALL her and find out for yourself (what a concept)...
[ edited by GreedBay on Sep 20, 2001 03:15 PM ]
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roofguy
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posted on September 20, 2001 11:47:59 AM new
Its not that I don't believe you, but...
Read the Disney banner. It says just what greedbay says.
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GreedBay
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posted on September 20, 2001 12:01:17 PM new
On the false information subject-
There are a few people here (only a few) who have talked about the tax ramifications of this. I'm one of them. One of the others has been wrong in almost every single thing they said about every single aspect of that issue, starting with them stating the "fact" that sellers' "CONTRIBUTIONS" are cash contributions. This is one possibly damaging misconception to those who believe(d) it. Do a search using the keyword "TAX" to find out who that is.
[ edited by GreedBay on Sep 20, 2001 12:03 PM ]
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on September 20, 2001 12:14:33 PM new
these auctions were not listed as an A4A auction.
The logo says:
Disney Auctions has joined eBay's "Auction for America" program.
Based on your post, they must be mistaken about that. Either that, or they've joined the program without actually joining it.
They are running their auctions as usual and donating the proceeds.
All the little sellers who tried to do this had their auctions cancelled by eBay. Do you suppose they'll do the same to Disney?
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Microbes
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posted on September 20, 2001 01:45:17 PM new
MrP, read this:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nf/20010919/tc/13608_1.html
Mr.Purseglove said:
However, Pursglove said that if the descriptions, and not the headlines, say that proceeds will be donated, eBay will allow the independent auctions to stand.
We know it isn't so (unless they changed that rule VERY recently).
And also please note, it has to be in the "discription", not the TITLE.
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amy
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posted on September 20, 2001 02:06:11 PM new
Mrpotatohead...read the banner...it says supporting. Ebay does allow charity auctions if it is cleared with them. Do you really think ebay doesn't know its partner is using the donate cash option and has stated they (Disney) support it in a banner.
Every seller has the option to hold an auction and then make a cash donation through the A4A program. Disney is doing it no different except ebay has allowed the use of a banner that has the ebay A4A logo.
I think all of you are reaching really hard to find evil in Disney's auctions. Or to find evil/wrong doing in ebay's actions.
Nothing reported in this thread about what someone from Disney said (or didn't say, since we only have the WORD of someone that they did indeed talk to anyone) supports the sleezey accusations that have been made here.
Nothing that is, unless people are reading it through their own anti-ebay predjudices.
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amy
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posted on September 20, 2001 02:12:30 PM new
Microbes...a rule doesn't have to change for it to be suspended temporarily because of an exraordinary situation. The A4A information suggests that sellers may choose to do it this way instead.
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GreedBay
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posted on September 20, 2001 02:45:09 PM new
The disinformation machine keeps chugging along, and this time appears not to even be able to read. I thought I gave it a way to confirm what I'm saying. I guess it doesn't care about whether what I'm saying is the truth or not, it's more interested in my company right or wrong.
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on September 20, 2001 02:51:05 PM new
Every seller has the option to hold an auction and then make a cash donation through the A4A program.
Well, I guess all those posts on eBay's boards from sellers whose auctions were cancelled because they were going to donate the proceeds to charity were lies, then.
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katiyana
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posted on September 20, 2001 03:00:19 PM new
I've heard sellers with both stories. Some say that as long as the charity information is only in the description and not in the title, its ok. I've heard some say that they had auctions set up that way, and were still pulled..
So Ebay doesn't know itself what the policy is re: running auctions for charity...surprise surprise.
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paypaldamon
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posted on September 20, 2001 03:39:56 PM new
Hi all,
Although PayPal is disappointed in eBay's refusal to accommodate PayPal's participation in the Auctions for America drive, PayPal has decided that we will allow users participating in the Auction for America Program to continue with their PayPal Preferred benefits during the 100 day period. We do, however, stress that we are willing to particpate, as well as absorb fees, in order to support this noble cause. The normal criteria for PayPal Preferred still applies for regular auction listings, but users can list Billpoint in their AFA auctions.
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on September 20, 2001 03:50:31 PM new
I've posted critically of PayPal in the past, but this time, I have to say their decision in this matter is certainly a nice gesture. I'm sure many people will benefit from it.
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kittykittykitty
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posted on September 20, 2001 04:34:29 PM new
damon,
great decision on the part of paypal! we appreciate it 
k3
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GreetingsfromUK
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posted on September 20, 2001 04:54:42 PM new
I find it very sad that major US corporations are jumping in on a World Wide tragedy. We live with terrorist attacks on a daily basis and no company in UK has ever used our horrors as a marketing tool.
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naru
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posted on September 20, 2001 05:14:18 PM new
I can only hope that eBay has cause to regret the way they have gone about this in the future as there seems to
be no attempt at damage control for now that I can see (other than removing the poll that clearly indicated how
unhappy members were) . This is a giant %^$$$ you to all sellers and probably an example of what we can
expect in the future from this monopoly.
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twinsoft
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posted on September 20, 2001 05:22:47 PM new
Not to be argumentative, but how does believing we should be giving recognition to the seller (in the form of a pat on the back) jibe with your previously made statement that according to the Jewish faith acts of charity should be done in secret? Wasn't that statement made to at least partially explain why you thought ebay was morally reprehensible in the way they started the A4A program (they were using it as PR). Or is it that only individuals who should be recognized and not major coporations? (I'm not being argumentative, just confused about your position).
eBay had a choice about how they would donate. They chose to donate $1M (in my book a paltry sum, all things considered) and orchestrate what amounts to a PR campaign. eBay could have donated without fanfare. They didn't.
(Actually, I believe the Talmud lists 10 ways to give, with the best way being to give in secret. But this idea is also echoed in the Christian faith. Excuse me for paraphrasing, I forget the chapter/verse: "Pray in secret so your Father will reward you openly in Heaven" and the Bible also criticizes those who pray for others to see.)
eBay sellers, on the other hand, didn't have a choice. eBay has already how established how AFA will run, and even exerted pressure by naming who participated (and who didn't). I would argue the eBay sellers aren't looking for PR the way eBay is.
I personally believe that those who give deserve our appreciation and thanks. Not necessarily on a personal level, but to acknowlege the human kindness. It's debatable whether eBay is giving, or buying cheap advertising.
This is really a tough ethical question, which in my book boils down to a bad entity (eBay) doing something good for the wrong reason, and enlisting our help to do it.
[ edited by twinsoft on Sep 20, 2001 05:28 PM ]
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Microbes
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posted on September 20, 2001 05:25:08 PM new
I've posted critically of PayPal in the past, but this time, I have to say their decision in this matter is certainly a nice gesture. I'm sure many people will benefit from it.
Yup, me too.
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GreetingsfromUK
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posted on September 20, 2001 05:38:08 PM new
Please look at the Trustees for http://www.wtcfund.org.uk
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