posted on October 17, 2001 10:12:02 AM newthe thing is the guy who sells the phones that I bought isn't in the phone business. And his ad is unclear, he says phone is new, but doesn't say NIB, or sealed or anything else.
Well, I sell phone cards but I'm not in the phone business either. I sell books but I don't have a printing press in my house. I sometimes sell my children's clothing when they've outgrown it, but I don't own a sewing machine either.
I've sold new items and failed to disclose that they were factory-sealed out of a lack of experience rather than a desire to withhold information. When I saw that other sellers made a point of mentioning that new items were sealed, then I started also mentioning this in my auctions.
Maybe the guy bought the phone for himself, decided he didn't like it or the model wasn't exactly what he was looking for, or whatever. And he already threw the box away. Some people just don't like to return items to the store. And a lot of stores, particularly electronics stores, are shortening their return policies dramatically. So if you take longer than 2 weeks to decide you don't want it, tough, you're out of luck.
Maybe the guy is trying to broaden his product line and this auction is his first one in this product line, who knows? Could be any number of reasons why the guy is selling a phone when he's not in the phone business.
All of your arguments for trying to void the sale are weak, IMO.
posted on October 17, 2001 10:12:55 AM new
quickdraw29,
The AuctionWatch Community Guidelines require that you treat your fellow members with respect and consideration. That is not reflected in your posts. To continue to post in this manner could place your posting privileges in jeopardy. Please keep this in mind if you continue to post.
posted on October 17, 2001 10:22:50 AM new
Eventer says "that was uncalled for..saweemosman admitted they wished they hadn't bid on the auction and asked for advice about getting out of it. If they'd really been a person w/o integrity, they'd just have deadbeated & not ask for our objective opinions."
If you reread my post it was directed to PetertDavis.
Discussing Neanderthal behavior when mixed in with society is not for insults, it is for discussion. Eventer, I can't help it if you're not mature to handle such a discussion.
posted on October 17, 2001 10:38:44 AM new
quickdraw29,
Refer to my post above. Respect and consideration, remember? Please exercise both. I suggest you tread lightly...your posting privileges are in jeopardy.
posted on October 17, 2001 10:53:55 AM new
Be careful not to say someone is wrong because that may violate AW guidelines since "wrong" implies an insult!
Heck, don't even state your opinion on any subject because opinions aren't allowed since they may offend someone.
[ edited by quickdraw29 on Oct 17, 2001 10:57 AM ]
posted on October 17, 2001 11:04:42 AM new
"Maybe the guy bought the phone for himself, decided he didn't like it or the model wasn't exactly what he was looking for, or whatever."
BJGrolle, "maybe..." implies that you think saweemosmon lacks intelligence, so your posting priviledges may be put in jeapardy. Just a warning so you can edit before the mods attack you.
posted on October 17, 2001 03:33:00 PM new
"Now that is scary! In other words, it's alright to steal from a bank to pay your rent because that is reality that you are broke? "
I won't even go into the other stuff that quickdraw29 posted, but I do hope that nobody else here thinks that being a deadbeat on an ebay auction is in the same league with bank robbery! Boy, talk about taking things out of context!!!
In case anyone else needs to get a sense of context, NO, I am NOT advocating deadbeatism. It's just that I'm not going to take it so seriously, certainly not as seriously as bank robbery!!! LOL!!! Just put some context to the situation. Why expend a lot of effort here, ebay certainly doesn't. We can complain to ebay about deadbeats until we're blue in the face, I actually have, and it doesn't change anything. Ebay cares where it hurts their income, when we file the NPB and FVF refunds, and that's where it stops. In fact, they've actually limited how we can file for the refund, and made it more difficult to get the refund. Used to be pretty simple, ask for the refund, and get it. Now, we have to wait X days, but not more than Y days, file once, wait even longer, file twice, then check your account to make sure they actually credited it. Sometimes it's just not worth the effort. I file just out of the prinicipal of the whole thing, ebay brought me a deadbeat, so why should they get the fee... But, life goes on.
posted on October 17, 2001 04:48:30 PM newYou go into a store. You buy an item. You change your mind. You return it. The store is out the paper and ink for the receipt and the bag.
Yup..
Now, what's an eBay seller "out" if someone backes out of a deal...?
1. His merchandise has sit unsold for at least 20 days. The money could have been reinvested, and a 2nd profit made on it in that time.
2. Listing Fees. (not refundable)
3. Either Final Value Fees or the time involve trying to collect for the auction plus the time involved filing for fees.
