posted on January 31, 2002 09:24:37 PM
The thing is, you don't know if they were intentionally doing so. I would think with 900 positives and 8 negatives, they are doing pretty well. If I thought it was intentionally misrepresented, but they refunded me, I would give a neutral at most.
Also, the ash tray said KENNEDYS - Did you think it was supposed to be Kennedy? Didn't it strike you as odd that it was plural. Also, I don't really see a misrepresentation in this one, because they left off what the other sides said. They left off important info, and you should get a refund, but to do what you did in my opinion is just wrong. I wouldn't want to be one of your buyers (and now I won't since I know your ebay ID)
posted on January 31, 2002 11:35:52 PM
I looked at the auctions and I see 'Kennedy' in the title but I can also see 'Kennedys' very clearly on the ashtray. Maybe you were in too much of a hurry and you missed the letter S?
The other auction has a question mark after the 'slag glass' in the title. I happen to recognize this as an Avon product but I wouldn't expect all other bidders to do so. You say you aren't a big buyer so one thing you must learn when you shop is that the word "old" is a very subjective word on ebay.
When a seller omits information they do leave themselves open to having a disappointed customer but it is also the responsibilty of the buyer to take care before bidding.
Honestly, I was a bit reluctant to contribute because the comment made about digging bodies
out of the WTC made me sick (assuming it was meant as sarcasm--which is inappropriate and distasteful). If it was actual fact, I am inclined to be more forgiving because I can't imagine having to do such a thing. Very sad.
posted on February 1, 2002 01:59:49 AM
If a bidder left 2 negs before emailing me and trying to let me rectify the situation I would have returned the negs and told them exactly what they could do with the items.
I had a similiar situation where the bidder left 2 negs for 2 items which she claimed never to have received even after I sent a full refund which I have DC of her receiving. Upon viewing her feedback I found out she had done this multiple times.
Seems more like you were jeoulous of her FB record.
Being nice in life, from the start will get you much further then being hostile and rude.
Granted sometimes it is necessary but only after all options have been used.
Joe B
posted on February 1, 2002 05:04:26 AM
I'm with REAMOND.
>>>Also, the ash tray said KENNEDYS - Did you think it was supposed to be Kennedy? Didn't it strike you as odd that it was plural. Also, I don't really see a misrepresentation in this one, because they left off what the other sides said. They left off important info,<<< ---ahc
Yes, I saw the S. I shouldn't have to question an items description to the degree of "gee, is this piece signed all over it and have any stickie labels?" Or, Does your "Kennedy" oops--Kennedys, my mistake, ashtray have any other big white words on it?"
What if someone showed you a Faberge' egg. Beautiful picture. It arrives and on the other side it says compliments of Dunkin Donuts... Seller error?
Time is money. Don't jerk me around. I don't jerk people around. A "fleabite" is something someone can easily miss. This does not compare.
posted on February 1, 2002 10:06:21 AM
While I normally go out of my way to be civil with people, I find that my patience is very thin for people who show that they just don't seem to care about doing something right the first time.
Not being accurate in representing is really the main thing. For a seller, if you don't do this properly, you really are in trouble.
I have a lot of respect for sellers who take the time to give more information than most bidders need. I also like sellers who admit that they really don't know what they've got and caution the bidder accordingly. It might cost them some bids, but it is honest.
Lousy packaging and foot dragging on shipment are right up there with misrepresention, but I can't stomach those who just don't consider that people are spending their hard earned bucks and deserve the courtesy of sellers who have integrity and service even if they are not pros.
The Golden Rule is reciprocal. If you treat an auction transaction with the finesse of a typical fast food purchase (often not likely to be either), chances are very good some bidders will lose their lunch in your feedback.
posted on February 1, 2002 01:47:34 PM
>> peiklk <<
I have a feeling based on this that I wouldn't **want** to bid on any of your auctions, so please give me yours! Any reasonable seller wouldn't find me a threat. You and and at least another seem to. Hm.
posted on February 1, 2002 03:16:08 PM
Not a threat, but a pain in the behind...Why put yourself through that. You only seem to have one negative, I find that truly amazing given your attitude...I would have expected several.
posted on February 1, 2002 03:50:24 PM
>>You only seem to have one negative, I find that truly amazing given your attitude...I would have expected several.<<
posted on February 1, 2002 04:38:55 PM
And all of this from an eBayer that sells empty, ripped Christmas ornament boxes!
Where did you dig that up?<br />
[ edited by mjdarby on Feb 1, 2002 05:07 PM ]
posted on February 1, 2002 04:47:22 PM
I don't mind savvy ebayers figuring out who is who, but isn't there a rule about posting my ID without my permission?
But before you delete this as a courtesy, please note KENNEDY in caps in the description, as opposed to "old 'amethyst' advertising ashtray", a sleazy use of the Kennedy name to sell. Oh and the Avon piece, I think is listed under art & antiques or some such.
Anybody with 900+ feedback, which according to my experience means a likely/possibly 1400 transactions, doesn't hold water with "gee, I had no idea" blah blah.
And before you delete this, take a look at today or yesterdays feedback about a record I sold which I describe as sounding awful; now THAT's a described item.
posted on February 1, 2002 05:07:32 PM
I agree with nycyn, posting her Ebay ID is uncool. I think she posted it once on here, but edited it out. That shouldn't be in this thread if she doesn't want it to be.
Also, on what someone sells, I've made a lot of money on collectibles that people throw away. That is what makes something worth something a lot of time, the fact that so many people throw it away. These "created limited edition" collectibles in the long run won't really be worth what you paid for them...
posted on February 1, 2002 05:09:35 PM
Only posted it because she had it posted there yesterday. I have deleted the references to her items and ID's.
I did not know that she had deleted them herself.
There was no savviness on my part. You, nycyn, had posted the items yourself.
I guess you can't take the heat and decided to delete them.
Well, I have deleted them as well.
posted on February 1, 2002 08:24:08 PM
I have to side with the seller on this, I, too , am a seller and a buyre. There are some people that you just can't please and I think they need something to gripe about. If the seller was not given a chance to make it right, then shame on the buyer. Sometimes the buyers get things so cheap and they have the nerve to want the "perfect" condition. AT the bottom of each bidding item it cleary states "caveat emptor" let the buyer beware, ask questions or don't bid and be happy that you got something for the low price that you probably did. Enough said!
posted on February 1, 2002 09:24:29 PM
Hello all, I am the lucky seller that sold this pitcher & bowl and the Kennedy's ashtray. I just want to say its been very interesting sitting here reading your input. Thank you to the people that know it was not right of her to leave the negative without contacting me first. I wrote her a letter telling her that I would give her a refund, even after she posted the negatives she still has not bothered to reply, but yet she gets on this board and complains up a storm. I'm the person she should have complained to 1st, I would have gave her a refund and none of this would have happened. She didn't give me a chance to make it right. Both of these were my mothers, she had them for a very long time before she died 19 years ago ( and NO I am not looking for sympathy REAMOND ) My mother said pitcher was slag glass, I had that soaking in my sink, how can there be any kind of an label? I really would love to see a picture all these labels. The ashtray is amethyst, That is what I thought made the ashtray valuable not the writing. Both items are very much worth the 16.00 total she spent. I just hope she gets unreasonable buyers that will do this to her with out writing first. As for the comment about my Husband dieing and the morbid digging up bodies comments, what is that? I never asked for any kind of sympathy I stated a fact that my husband died (at only 40 yrs old) and I didn't need this nor do I have the time for this.... I try very hard to make every customer happy as life is just to short for this kind of stuff, and just think, its all over cheap material things, when you die you cant take it with you, so why give yourself a heart attack over 16.00 worth of material things you cant take with you?. I think this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. I don't feel I misrepresented those items, I was in a hurry and didn't write every little detail. I don't believe I should be strung up and hung like this buyer would like to do. I had these packages very nicely wrapped and sent fast. Why are people so hateful lately, what is up with this? I dont waste my time trying to destoy other peoples life and I think it is very wrong of this buyer to be wasting all her time trying to destroy mine. she needs to get a life and do whats right. if you would like to look at these 2 auctions in question the #'s are... 1320563641 & 1500779672 Thanks to you all and have a great weekend. Send them back I will gladly give you a refund. Della
posted on February 1, 2002 09:46:19 PM
>>The ashtray is amethyst, That is what I thought made the ashtray valuable not the writing.<<
Hm. Then why list it as a "KENNEDY" ashtray (which meant nothing to me but did to a friend I showed it to and to whom I owed an Xmas present) as opposed to a vintage amethyst (if it is) ashtray?
By listing the item #'s you are giving away my user ID which is against the rules of this forum.
I recommend you delete those.
Let the games begin!
P.S. I think you'll fit in very nicely here. Enjoy!
posted on February 1, 2002 09:48:00 PM
The devil is in the details. When you sell a collectible, people need to know as much as possible. The price is not the issue or the stuff. It could have sold for a buck. I put as much attention into sales of books that sell for a buck as those that sell for 30 times or more that amount.
posted on February 1, 2002 09:53:48 PM
P.S. Your packing wasn't so impressive either, wrapped in the color section of whatever newspaper magazine, but they did arrive intact. That I'll give you.
posted on February 1, 2002 10:00:30 PM
mballai--If *I* listed these, I might get one buck. Maybe. Meanwhile I'm passing by crap I wouldn't keep in my house I'm that aesthetically sensitive. I guess I'll give the Kennedys Office Supplies ashtray to my friend with an apology and maybe put this elegant Avon bottle out in the laundry room.
posted on February 1, 2002 10:30:39 PM
dellandogs, I'm not sure how you found out about this discussion but thanks for coming here. While I think it would have been better if you had given more info about the items when you listed them and perhaps avoided this problem, I do believe you are a good seller willing to do what is right.
nycyn has admitted she had never heard of slag glass until this auction. I also believe she bid hastily without looking at the picture of the ashtray that closely.
Now she displays buyer's remorse. Worse than that, she gives you two negatives. Then to make it worse yet she shows a side of her character many of us would choose not to see. I have come to the conclusion that nycyn wants the two items and wants the total refund also. Plus she wants our sympathy. Sorry, but she can't have it all.
posted on February 1, 2002 11:11:40 PM
>>dellandogs, I'm not sure how you found out about this discussion but thanks for coming here. While I think it would have been better if you had given more info about the items when you listed them and perhaps avoided this problem, I do believe you are a good seller willing to do what is right.
nycyn has admitted she had never heard of slag glass until this auction. I also believe she bid hastily without looking at the picture of the ashtray that closely.
Now she displays buyer's remorse. Worse than that, she gives you two negatives. Then to make it worse yet she shows a side of her character many of us would choose not to see. I have come to the conclusion that nycyn wants the two items and wants the total refund also. Plus she wants our sympathy. Sorry, but she can't have it all.<<
Whats-her-face came here at my invitation to read this thread in her honor.
Oh, I looked at the picture of the ashtray carefully. Did you see something I missed?
Do I want to keep the items? No way. But since I live in NYFC where securrity is high and PO lines are horribly slow it is easier for me to keep the crap.
However, if DelDoggie has THAT much sentimental attachment to this stuff that she sold for around 15 bucks, and wants to refund my money plus 2X shipping, I'll be happy to return it, when it is convenient in this climate to do so. And that's me being nice.
But believe me, I don't need the money that badly. I would do it as a courtesy to her aleged sentiments about her Momma. Time is money and sending this stuff back is a pain in the ass, plain and simple.
Like my pal said: I paid for an item, not a refund.
Doing what is right? I tell you what. I let myself be taken by some predator. Then you buy from the same predator, after I leave a positive because I'm too frightened to leave a neg. Would I be your hero then?
Hello!
Whine on!
(Leaving for real, trying to learn from some of the, um, bigger boys than me in this thread.)
posted on February 1, 2002 11:18:57 PM
Except that whats-her-dell is violating my privacy by listing the item ID's in the thread which is against forum policy without my permission and she hasn't my permission.
posted on February 1, 2002 11:44:05 PM
>>YOU listed the auction numbers yourself uesterday -- that's how we got to look at the auctions in the first place!<<
You must be on the ssame hallucinagenics (sp) as the other guy.
