krs
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:12:00 PM
She was nice, femme; I think of her sometimes.
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nutspec
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:13:14 PM
Just for the questions (sorta off topic) about the accuracy of shotguns.
With the use of specialized ammunition - shotguns shooting slugs can be very accurate out to the end of their very limited range.
Sabot rounds and the use of ballistic efficient shapes for the projectiles have improved the accuracy of shotguns by a huge amount - without rifling.
Because of their large size and limited speed - the projectiles are very limited in range and thus are assumed to be a bit safer in populated areas. 100 yards or a bit more is the effective range - after that - the projectile drops like a rock.
It is not any more likely to wound more than any other method. It is the delivery and accuracy that determines that.
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xardon
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:17:21 PM
I'll bet she remebers it as being a lot longer than a week.
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:19:05 PM
meya- "they do it for the sport..not the bloodlust". what exactly is the sport in shooting an unsuspecting deer? these hunters you know are calling it a sport in your presence but when they are in the forest you can be sure they say something different to each other. remember if they just wanted to hit a target they could go to a firing range. you seem to be very naive about this. the definition of sport(N) is one prepared to take a risk. sport(V) is to take part in a game. sounds like boxing or baseball, not hunting. not much risk of the deer shooting back is there? not much of a game with only one playing! how about a nice game of paintball warfare? oh,i forgot,those paintballs can sting if you get too close!
[ edited by stusi on Dec 20, 2000 01:25 PM ]
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femme
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:19:55 PM
I think that they just explained to the deer what advantages would be gained. Most deer are smater than most hunters.
ROFL!!! Works for me. 
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femme
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:23:03 PM
Oh...that was great, xardon
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:28:35 PM
I'll bet she remebers it as being a lot longer than a week.
LMAO!
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krs
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:35:29 PM
Xardon would, possibly, but she wanted me to stay.
Here Stusi, Quote PETA:
"Starvation and disease are unfortunate, but they are nature's way of ensuring that the strong survive. Natural predators help keep prey species strong by killing only the sick and weak. Hunters, however, kill any animal they come across or any animal whose head they think would look good mounted above the
fireplace—often the large, healthy animals needed to keep the population strong. And hunting creates the ideal conditions for overpopulation. After hunting season, the abrupt drop in population leads to less competition among survivors, resulting in a
higher birth rate.
If we were really concerned about keeping animals from starving, we would not hunt but instead take steps to reduce the animals’ fertility. We would also preserve wolves, mountain lions, coyotes, and other natural predators. Ironically, many deer herds and
duck populations are purposely manipulated to
produce more and more animals for hunters to kill".
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codasaurus
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:47:46 PM
On the high visibility of orange in the woods (or anywhere else for that matter).
Aren't many predators color blind? Depending on smell, heat or movement to locate their prey?
Just curious...
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nutspec
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posted on December 20, 2000 01:55:17 PM
Since this one is straying anyway - Lets address this "Bloodlust" tripe again.
I hunt for deer during legal seasons. These seasons are set by others based on the herd size and to some extent the ability of the remaining habitat to support them all. I eat what I take. I have passed up dozens of shots that were uncertain or because of a slight worry about safety. (Deer running between me and an area where I know somebody else is, as an example)
Bloodlust is an overwhelming and uncontrolled urge to kill or injure. Many of you might believe that I as a hunter have nothing else in me.
If this was true - I would kill without regard to need or consiquences. I would kill the groundsquirrel in the field outside my office right now. I would kill the crow on the powerline also. I would spend hours waiting for the lizards to come out to sun themselves so that I might bash them. I would not have pets.
During hunting season (Which I would never pay attention to - because I would kill whenever the chance is provided) I would shoot all animals seen regardsless.
Let's put the bloodlust word away please.
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Meya
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:04:05 PM
If they can get the deer to wear orange vests, certainly they could be persuaded to take the pill as well.
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krs
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:07:07 PM
Sure. Even the morning after pill. LOL!!
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nutspec
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:10:34 PM
Coda - That is a very complicated question.
Many animals are limited in their color vision. Sorta "red/green" colorblindness.
Deer seem to see some colors - not orange as WE see them. However, they see well into the ultraviolet (A big advantage at dawn and dusk)
So deer (and other animals) likely "see" orange - but not in the same way humans see them. On the same note, about color versus brightness. Even if predators and prey were totally colorblind - they still see differences in brightness. Same as seeing a bright item on a black and white tv.
A deer with a bright orange PETA supplied vest is doomed as it bounces through the woods either way.
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sgtmike
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:36:13 PM
stusi
I do have to admit; when I put a shaft in the kill zone the physical effect on me is like that as described by Viagra users.
Lasts for an hour or more.
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xardon
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:43:59 PM
Mike,
Your pillow talk must be a real treat for the missus.
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:44:32 PM
nutspec- you may be an exception at least in your own mind. but you can't deny that many hunters are just bloodthirsty. there are many people who not only shoot the crow on the powerline but shoot or otherwise maim dogs and cats just for kicks. you can't deny that there are many "trophy" hunters nor that many hunters are just plain lousy shots with or without a few 6-packs in them. many of those who claim to be conservationists make a God-like decision as to which are going to die from freezing or starvation and we both know they are not always right. i do not consider hunting macho in any way(as many hunters do) and would rather take out my aggressions either with boxing or martial arts. although there are many who eat their prey, very few have to kill game for food.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:48:00 PM
sgtmike, what does one do for relief with their hour-long erection in the woods?
[ edited by jamesoblivion on Dec 20, 2000 02:48 PM ]
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xardon
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:50:01 PM
The carcass will stay warm for at least an hour.
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Meya
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:51:07 PM
I happen to know quite a few men who hunt deer each year. None of them drink at all, least of all while they are hunting, none of them shoot dogs or cats, or crows or squirrels.
They hunt responsibly, safely, and completely within the laws of the State. They dress, keep, and eat any venison they happen to shoot.
If you know people who do the things you describe, perhaps you need to start hanging out with a different crowd.
Edited just for spelling folks.
[ edited by Meya on Dec 20, 2000 03:04 PM ]
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:51:22 PM
...many hunters are just bloodthirsty. there are many people who not only shoot the crow on the powerline but shoot or otherwise maim dogs and cats just for kicks
Is this based on firsthand knowledge, stusi? I mean, do you actually know anybody who hunts? Do these people "shoot the crow on the powerline" and torture dogs and cats "just for kicks"?
Please do let us know your sources for this insight.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:52:34 PM
xardon, I was thinking that too, but afraid to suggest it.
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Shadowcat
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:52:53 PM
I keep getting this mental image of PETA PITAs in their attempts to put a vest on a helpless deer...
"Saunders! It's coming your way! Grab it!"
"Are you nuts? Have you seen the antlers on that thing?"
"Saunders! Quick!"
"Here, Bambi, Bambi, Bambi..."
"It's not a cat, Saunders."
"And I'm not a pincushion, you-you-leather-wearer-you!"
Meanwhile, in a stand of trees nearby...
"Mabel, that vest has got to be the ugliest thing I've ever seen!"
"Tell me about it. I mean, look at this thing! Why not just paint a huge bullseye on my sides? And I keep getting the damned thing caught in the brush!"
"Oooh, look! Those humans are trying to put one of those things on George now!" *wincing* "Whoa. That human's gonna be walking funny tomorrow."
"George really knows how to use his antlers, that's for sure."
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sgtmike
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:53:37 PM
stusi
Re:
"...i do not consider hunting macho in any way(as many hunters do) and would rather take out my aggressions either with boxing or martial arts. although there are many who eat their prey.."
I have boxed and am learned in three forms of martial art. I have never eaten an opponent I defeated.
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:53:51 PM
Actually, xardon, back in my het days I was hooked up with a serious collector of Japanese WWII weapons who had the same reaction as sgtmike every time he cleaned his collection. We both found it pretty entertaining.
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on December 20, 2000 02:54:44 PM
...you can't deny that many hunters are just bloodthirsty. there are many people who not only shoot the crow on the powerline but shoot or otherwise maim dogs and cats just for kicks.
Neither can you deny that there are people who choose to drive their cars while drunk. Shall we then outlaw driving for all because of the irresponsible acts of a few?
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gravid
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posted on December 20, 2000 03:00:22 PM
In Michigan PETA encouraged people to swerve on the shoulder and force hunters walking on the shoulder to dive in the ditch to avoid being run down. Frankly if anyone had done that to me I would have emptied my gun into the rear of it as it went away.
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xardon
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posted on December 20, 2000 03:02:57 PM
Mike,
I'm just gonna leave that last one alone. You are on a roll today.
James,
If he ever does get his hands on you, I hope it's not right after he's "put a shaft in the kill zone".
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sgtmike
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posted on December 20, 2000 03:07:49 PM
PS:
JamesO is a yearling, a nubile; no competition. I prefer an adversary of equal or better talents and ability.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 03:31:14 PM
Nubile?? Me?
I may be a yearling, but come one, sgtimke, you know I've got potential.
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xardon
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posted on December 20, 2000 03:34:43 PM
So I take it there's no shortage of competition, then?
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