jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 03:35:40 PM new
Why do you think Mike keeps coming back? 
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 03:41:20 PM new
meya- i did not say that all hunters would shoot a dog or cat although i am sure some would. there are stories in the papers all the time about people shooting their neighbor's dog or cat just for wandering onto their property. i would assume that some of these gun owners might be hunters. i don't have to know these people or hang out with them to know these things exist. hart- i knew someone who hunted but when i found out our friendship was sort of over. listen to Ted Nugent sometime and tell me he isn't bloodthirsty as are some, if not most, hunters. sarge- i set myself up for your last comment with the order of my sentences. i was somehow sure you had a martial arts background. don't you find hand-to-hand combat much more satisfying than hunting? if you don't, maybe it's just bloodlust. potato- i am surprised at you. as i 1. have not suggested outlawing hunting(yet). 2. do not think that your analogy is valid. driving is a necessity and drunk driving is illegal. and 3. do think that although drinking and guns are a dangerous combination as well, that going out into nature and knocking down a few brewskies can be very relaxing. i do however feel, as i said in my previous thread on hunting, that if you live in the mountains away from civilization and you hunt to eat that i would never presume to interfere with your right to do so. trophy hunting to me is an extremely sick thing to do and i have serious doubts about the motives of most other hunters.
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nutspec
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posted on December 20, 2000 03:51:10 PM new
Out with the old "bloodlust" and in with the new "bloodthirsty"
As a matter of fact, I can only speak of those I associate with. I try not to tar entire groups with inflamed prose and dubious conclusions. Although PETA is tempting - but I also know 2 PETA folks and while we disagree strongly, they are OK people.
I have hunted many places in my life and seen amazing things. I have not ever hunted with - or been in any camp where hunters went out drunk, (When we come into camp in the evening - the Guns get put away first.)
I have never hunted with sadistic psycho's either - sorry to not be the monster you had hoped for.
I would not get near or associate with anybody that would do such things.
Trophy hunting is another topic - but hunters cannot be tarred with this "bloodlust" tripe if they are willing to pass on opportunity after opportunity - Sometimes for years - to take a mature and "trophy" animal. By the way, a "trophy" animal may well have bred for many seasons and his offspring survive him so his + genetics carry on.
Which is it? Bloodlust or Trophies? Either answer demolishes half the portrayal.
sheesh
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Meya
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posted on December 20, 2000 03:52:06 PM new
Please explain the correlation between Ted Nugent and hunting deer? He is an aging hard core rock musician who screams more than sings. He was "popular" when I was a teen, way back in the '70s.
While I don't have any figures to back this up, I am pretty sure the type of people who would shoot a neighbors dog or cat are not the type of people I was talking about. Just because someone hunts, doesn't make them bloodthirsty or crazy.
Such broad generalizations...
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sgtmike
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:00:03 PM new
stusi
As you strive to miraculously hit on a piece of factual information, much like pitching pennies into the dishes at a carnival, you have gone from the emotional misinformed to bizarre.
You are presently so far off base you are no longer in the ballpark. However, your postings have been constructive. The statements contain within your (posts) are informative to others that emotional based beliefs, opposition, and activism are an absolute bastardization of facts and the truth, and a form of extreme injustice.
[ edited by sgtmike on Dec 20, 2000 04:02 PM ]
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:09:04 PM new
nutspec- either bloodlust or trophies demolish half of what portrayal? that of you and your hunting friends? maybe. but your continued taking of my comments so personally seems to be blatantly ignoring my points about some other hunters whom you can't defend. what is your point about a trophy animal's offspring surviving him? is this a good thing? more trophies in the future? meya- as many on this thread will tell you, Ted Nugent is an avid and well known hunter. he has made instructional videos and has written many articles and perhaps books on the subject. he is in my opinion a bloodthirsty psycho. if you ever have the opportunity of listening to him you will see what i mean.
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:17:57 PM new
sarge-extreme injustice? isn't that a little strong? the truth is that you nor anyone else has been able to deny that from trophy hunters to just plain lousy shots to those who kill for the fun of it that there are many hunters, who unlike you and nutspec(?), are just psychos who take out their aggressions on innocent animals. PLEASE READ CAREFULLY- "many", not all. whether the reality is 10% or 90% i don't know, but you can't deny it. an absolute bastardization of facts? i think not.
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sgtmike
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:18:41 PM new
I do believe that stusi may be an alternate (aka) disguise of an AW regular for the purpose of engaging in provocateur activities.
Probably someone who likes to play on both sides of the road but must avoid two-facism.
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sgtmike
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:22:49 PM new
I strongly deny it. Now what?
You now have to produce facts that can be confirmed, for me to reverse my denial.
I'll wait. Facts now, not penny pitching. Can you do it? The world is watching you.
Ready, set, go.
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sgtmike
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:25:58 PM new
"I can't HEAR you, stusi."
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:28:04 PM new
So, now it's he said/ she said.
Do we take Stusi's word, or the guy who gets a raging erection when he fires at a deer?
Actually, Ted Nugent is a nut, great example, but there is no indication that he is in any way typical of the average hunter, or even "many" hunters.
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snowyegret
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:40:28 PM new
Look up nubile. 
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:42:38 PM new
sarge- playing on both sides of the road? what might the other side be? i think i have been rather consistent and i think you have as well. I would like some facts on your paranoid accusation! are you seriously going to deny that even a percentage of hunters are out for trophies, are lousy shots or kill just for the fun of it? are you going to be in denial until i surf the net for some stats which you will question anyway? talk about alter egos, are you not actually Ted Nugent disguised as an AW regular? the world is watching? don't you have a slightly exaggerated opinion of the level of this little chat?
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:49:02 PM new
Snowyegret, I know what nubile means.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:50:32 PM new
Hey, Mike, if you're really Ted Nugent in disguise, I'd like to take this opportunity to say I really love "Journey to the Center of Your Mind". It's a shame that your best work had to have been done when you were 20. 
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 04:58:53 PM new
james- are you sure it was Nugent who did "journey"? wasn't it the Amboy Dukes? Nugent did "cat scratch fever"!
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snowyegret
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:01:24 PM new
jameso: 
stusi: Ted Nugent was in the Amboy Dukes
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:07:46 PM new
snowy- you are so right, i forgot. almost makes for a rock trivia thread!
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FrannyS
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:12:25 PM new
"Do we take Stusi's word, or the guy who gets a raging erection when he fires at a deer?"
Gross. Not the one who quoted this. The one who SAID it. Wonder what the reaction is when wings are pulled off flies?
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pareau
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:19:58 PM new
'Uncle Ted here, and I am bright-eyed and throbbing with Tedstosterone because the bucks are on the move, the Nuge is in the groove, I am swinging by a nostril hair over the yawning abyss, and my senses are erect, organic, and orgasmic with the spirit of the wild." Pause. "How are you?"'
http://www.outsidemag.com/magazine/0398/9803nugent.html
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:24:30 PM new
sarge - you have been missing for awhile. i guess you are out hunting for a conscience! you missed my response that the whole world was watching for. maybe i should edit it before you get back. nah-i think it will evoke an even stronger response than a blank space. but one never knows what will get your juices flowing other than a Republican convention in the middle of a duck blind.
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FrannyS
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:25:23 PM new
Ted Nugent is disgusting.
edited to add "Here Teddy Teddy Teddy".
[ edited by FrannyS on Dec 20, 2000 05:26 PM ]
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nutspec
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:25:46 PM new
I'll try to make this the end of my participation in what is becoming an "angels and head of pins thread"
I speak only for myself and my experiences.
I speak of my associates and the participantion in years of hunting all over the US.
Ted Nugent does not speak for me - and I don't speak for him. My personal opinion is that he hurts hunting much more than he helps, by giving a face and words to publish that zealots can point to and portray as the norm for all hunters. (as was done here)
I have already explained (Patiently I thought), the notion that you cannot be filled with bloodlust and trophy hunt at the same time.
I will always take personal exception to being portrayed as a monster for being part of hunting.
If a person is not willing to listen - then I hope that I have helped others who have read here.
Nite All - Nutspec
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:30:40 PM new
pareau- you're the best. meya- take a gander at the link in pareau's post. now do you get it? did you get the "run over the cat" reference? sarge- this is proof of at least one hunter/wacko and he does have many followers. i suspect the numbers of such like-minded sickos are much greater than you and nutspec will admit to. there are extremists in all areas of life and it is these hunter/wackos among others that trouble me greatly!
[ edited by stusi on Dec 20, 2000 05:33 PM ]
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FrannyS
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:37:17 PM new
You can give all the proof in the world and some people will still not see, still not hear. (Just borrowing a commonly used phrase of one person.
Nugent and some people probably would be very good buddies, and compare "reactions" after a big kill of running down such a ferocious critter as a cat. Major trophy and reaction status.
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Meya
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:44:33 PM new
I don't choose to judge an entire group of people by the opinions or actions of the lunatic fringe. If I judged all hunters, or rock and roll singers by the aforementioned Ted, I would judge them all to be extremist wackos. I know this is not the case.
I personally know many people who hunt. None of them are anything like Ted Nugent, in beliefs or actions. I have to believe that his type are the exception, not the rule.
Remember too, the almighty dollar has a great to do with his "opinions." Extremism earns money, just ask Howard Stern or Marilyn Manson.
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:50:56 PM new
meya- you are right about your opinion of him but he was apparently into his extreme hunting mode before it was profitable. i strongly believe, however, that when it comes to shooting defenseless animals there are many more who get great joy from this than you know! i strongly question as well your knowing the beliefs and actions of all the many hunters that you say you know. your rose-colored impressions might change if you actually were able to see a hidden camera video of their humanitarianist adventure. sarge will not even admit to this and i differentiate because i think he knows it exists on a widespread basis.
[ edited by stusi on Dec 20, 2000 05:58 PM ]
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on December 20, 2000 05:58:08 PM new
stusi, I was actually going to address the hilarious remarks in your last posts until I read this one:
listen to Ted Nugent sometime and tell me he isn't bloodthirsty as are some, if not most, hunters.
You base your understanding of the psychology of hunting based on a rock "musician"?
Well, you've certainly beaten me into the ground with that logic. I give up.
ROTFLMAO
Yeah, I'll seriously address your remarks.
LOLPMP
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stusi
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posted on December 20, 2000 06:12:04 PM new
hart-do you think i was referring to Nugent's music as being bloodthirsty? i was obviously referring to listening to the sick speeches on his hunting videos. i am sure you are not implying that simply because one is a rock musician that one can't be a bloodthirsty hunter as well, are you?
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pareau
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posted on December 20, 2000 06:49:06 PM new
"Hunting programs also cause wildlife overpopulation by:
- stimulating breeding by conducting "buck only" hunts, which can leave as many as six does per buck;
- pen-raising quail, grouse, and pheasants for use as hunters' targets;
- transporting raccoons, antelopes, martens, wild turkeys, and other animals from one state to another to bolster populations for hunters; and
- exterminating predators like wolves and mountain lions in order to throw prey populations off balance, thereby "justifying" the killing of both "dangerous" and "surplus" animals."
http://www.peta-online.org/mc/facts/fswild1.html
[ edited by pareau on Dec 20, 2000 06:49 PM ]
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