macker123
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posted on June 16, 2002 03:04:29 PM
I have been very careful to please anybody that I am buying or selling to and I knew it was gonna happen.
I received my first neutral today. I know it is not a negative or even a big deal, but it pisses me off hw stupid people are!!!!
For my auction I sold a swiss swatch, it clearly stated "watch does not work, I am not sure why maybe a dead battery". At the end of the auction the guy even remarked "I hope I can get it working I have a spare battery". So what happens?? He receives the watch and leaves neutral feedback because it doesn't work???
What the heck, stupid people? Needless to say I blocked him and left negative feedback for not reading description and knowinf full well it never worked, yet still leaves bad feedback.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on June 16, 2002 03:11:17 PM
AAHH GEE:
You got a Nue!
Better day's are coming, that Neg is just around the corner.
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rarriffle
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posted on June 16, 2002 03:50:17 PM
IMHO, your leaving retaliatory neg hurt you more than the neutral. you can reply to your neutral with an unemotional, factual line about "not working mentioned in item description". Leaving the neg makes you seem emotional and immature.
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caffeitalia
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posted on June 16, 2002 04:00:51 PM
I agree with rarriffle. The retailitory neg will hurt you for the near future. As A buyer, I watch for sellers that hold feedback for the purpose of leaving unwarranted retailiation feedback. You should have left factual response in your own feedback.
You may want to re-think your idea about selling broken items. Even though your auction did state it, this bidder may have only looked at the photo and bid from that. Also, you may want to check ebay's TOS as I think it is a voilation to sell broken items, although I am not truely sure on that one. It is tough enough to build a good reputation selling good items, but real easy to ruin your reputation by selling broken items.
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macker123
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posted on June 16, 2002 04:16:00 PM
I disagree with both of you.
Why shouldn't I leave neg feedbacka nd let everyone know that this guy doesn not read the description or red it but didn't care and still leaves feedback without thinking it through. He didn't evem email me!!
I still think I did the right thing and at least other buyers/sellers will know he doesn't fully think before leaving stupid feedback.
About selling broken items, they aren't really broken just untested.
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revvassago
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posted on June 16, 2002 04:24:17 PM
Even though your auction did state it, this bidder may have only looked at the photo and bid from that.
Apparently you didn't see where the original poster said the bidder "even remarked "I hope I can get it working I have a spare battery"."
Also, you may want to check ebay's TOS as I think it is a voilation to sell broken items
Where are you pulling this gobbledygook from? It isn't a violation to sell a broken item on eBay! If you aren't truly sure, then don't even bother posting that garbage.
There are countless people scouring eBay for broken items. Most are using them for parts. I once sold a broken record player one eBay for $175.00, just because someone could purcase the parts to turn in into a $300.00 record player.
As far as the "holding feedback for the purpose of leaving unwarranted retailiation feedback", you are in the minority on that one, and it has been made VERY clear that the transaction doesn't end until everyone is happy. Just look at the following thread if you don't believe me:
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=2&thread=467167
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clarksville
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posted on June 16, 2002 04:28:37 PM
macker123 my two cents worth is that the buyer KNEW when they placed the bid and when they emailed, as you mentioned. Therefore, I think something happened that they may have bought it thinking they would fix it and when they couldn't, they were mad at themselves and took their anger out on you.
There has been a couple of times I bought something in a brick and mortar thrrift store or what-have-you, thinking that I could fix it or have someone else fix it and was mad when I brought it home to find out it couldn't be fixed, I took it out on the seller.
From this consumer (me) I had the opinion that they knew a sucker coming and I was angry at myself for being taken, but (without the sellers' knowledge) I aimed my anger at the seller. So, personally, my rule of thumb is that if it broken, the seller knows the scoop (it is not repairable).
So, I don't buy "broken" items on eBay in particular, but elsewhere, unless I know for a fact it can be fixed, I don't buy the broken item. Of course, if the item is still worth big bucks broken, that's a whole different ballgame
As for the feedback, I don't see any harm in you leaving feedback on them. This way it warns us (sellers) about that buyer. As a buyer, I look over the feedbacks the seller has left for the buyer etc. Since I am a seller who knows what it is like on both side of the fence, if I read the feedback between you and the seller, I would still consider buying from you. That feedback exchange would not affect my decision to buy from you. Matter of fact, it would probably tell me that you are HONEST!
Don't forget you can leave a response to the neutral they left for you.
[ edited by clarksville on Jun 16, 2002 04:34 PM ]
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mrfoxy76
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posted on June 16, 2002 04:31:43 PM
thats what happens when u sell junk.....
retalitory neg is just a crying baby reaction if u ask me
dealing with people means once in a while this will happen take it and more ON
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sanmar
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posted on June 16, 2002 04:35:25 PM
I don't think that the buyer deserved a neg. Did he pay in a timely fashion? The the worst you should have done is give him a neutral. After all you got what you wanted, the $$ for a broken watch. I don't know what Ebay's TOS is, but there are all kinds of broken items being sold. As long as you state it is broken, you haven't done anything wrong.
[ edited by sanmar on Jun 16, 2002 04:38 PM ]
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virgo47
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posted on June 16, 2002 05:02:46 PM
I sell in vintage jewelry and I do very well selling off old broken watches that I buy mixed in with lots at auctions and estate sales.
At least in the vintage jewelry/watches category there is a thriving market for broken old watches. There are a number of individuals out there who fix old watches and resell them for a nice profit and they are always on the lookout for watches for parts or to repair. I clearly put in my item header NOT WORKING so they don't have to read the description to figure this out. If they are looking for a working watch they can just skip mine. I also clearly state that the I don't deal in watches and have no idea if the watch can be repaired. I never speculate the watch's problem or a solution. In 3+ years on ebay and many broken watches sold I have never had a problem.
Cruise the vintage jewelry category and look for broken jewelry. I buy broken jewelry by the pound for vintage parts and stones to use in vintage jewelry repairs. Others buy it for use in original jewelry designs and craft projects.
[ edited by virgo47 on Jun 16, 2002 05:03 PM ]
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sweetboo
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posted on June 16, 2002 05:03:07 PM
macker123 I agree with you 100%. You did nothing wrong. I also agree with revvassago. You are fine. I have left neg feedback for an idiot before who left me a neutral for his shoot from the hip action. He used a buy it now for an item that he realized afterwards that wouldn't fit with the item he bought it for... like that was my fault, I never said it would work to begin with. As far as I am concerned.... you were not happy with the way the transaction turned out... heck, who would be happy with an unwarrented neutral.
It was nice when I had a perfect feedback but that was 2 years ago and now I know that every blue moon some moron will leave a neg or a neutral but most are fair.
Good luck in your future ebay endeavors.
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clarksville
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posted on June 16, 2002 05:10:21 PM
virgo47 Good point! I never thought about buying such items for parts.
macker123 I don't think you did anything wrong, either. I would have left a neg on the buyer, too. Maybe the next time they will think twice.
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bidsbids
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posted on June 16, 2002 05:40:53 PM
Under the circumstances the original poster stated the buyer deserved the negative feedback. Maybe the numbskull buyer will now learn not to leave unwarranted neutral feedbacks. Some eBayers are 100% buyers and never look at the sellers side of the transactions, only their own. Would this buyer like to reverse roles and be the seller and get a neutral fedback under the same circumstances. That doesn't even factor in the fact that the guy was ruining a perfect feedback record.
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quickdraw29
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posted on June 16, 2002 06:54:48 PM
It's only retalitory if you have no reason to leave a neg fb. In this case seller had clear reason to leave buyer a negative.
I don't think it will hurt you to leave a negative. I leave buyers negs quite often after they neg me and I've never seen any noticable difference in bidding. The one's who do check these trivial matters are likely the kind you don't want bidding on your auctions anyway.
It's not an "emotional and immature" action. It's a professional way to conduct business to warn others about someone's misdeeds. That's the reason ebay has the feedback system in place.
I think just ignoring idiot buyers is not a solution. Don't we have enough idiots running around because when they were kids the parents never disciplned them?
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macker123
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posted on June 16, 2002 07:00:30 PM
mrfoxy76,
It was hardly junk. It was a Swatch Men's Watch that was in perfect physical condition, it just didn't work.
Considering the email I just received from the guy I don't think you cares in the least what he just did. Here is what it says, "boo hoo as in how sad" hmmm... what a nice guy.
And he did get the watch working. According to the neg it says,"Shipped fast.watch didn't work though.Replaced battery as it was"
Here is my feedback.
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=asamsonoff
He just signed up and bid on an auction of mine and left negative feedback making some thing about me harassing him????
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macker123
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posted on June 16, 2002 07:06:26 PM
Wel I was wrong it was not the same person that left me neg feedback.
I just received my 1st neg feedback from a NON-PAYING Bidder. I even already filed for a refund about 2 days ago. Just great, got to love eBay.
This is the same person that threatened me when I crafted a semi-friendly email to his when he emailed and told me he doesn't want the item he just bid on.
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clarksville
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posted on June 16, 2002 07:14:18 PM
Well, NOW you have a neg! What a day you must be having!
IMHO, if I was to consider buying from you, your feedback (neg and neut) wouldn't stop me from bidding.
Of course, I may email you a question or two, to make sure the products are what I "expect" etc. In what you have told us and according to the feedback exchanges, I wouldn't worry about leaving a neg on the buyers.
As a seller (and a buyer, too) I actually thank you for doing this, cause it is things like this that "warns" the rest of us. Even though I have had great transactions with buyers that had "run-ins" with other sellers, I would put into consideration THEIR FEEDBACK and would seriously consider canceling their bid and blocking them from any and all future bids.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on June 16, 2002 07:17:15 PM
Look, if you don't have any negative feedback and you've sold over, oh, two hundred items, you're most likely giving the store away. Not too bright.
Negative feedback comes with the territory. One of my seller ids has 97 negs. So what?
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classicrock000
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posted on June 16, 2002 07:19:30 PM
Yup he deserved the neg-lots of people buy broken itmes on ebay.They could be repairman
for watches-fix the watch and sell if for a bigger profit on ebay.People do that with electronics-broken vcr's or record players.A year ago I bought a broken laptop cheap-all I needed was the hard drive because the hard drive I had wasnt working-alot cheaper then buying a brand new laptop.Since the idiot already knew it was broken-he deserved the neg-good for you
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macker123
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posted on June 16, 2002 07:23:53 PM
I take it eBay doesn't remove negs from NON-PAYING Bidders?? They really need to change their removal policy if that is true.
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bidsbids
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posted on June 16, 2002 07:28:27 PM
Look, if you don't have any negative feedback and you've sold over, oh, two hundred items, you're most likely giving the store away. Not too bright.
I must be a horrible seller then because I'm close to a 1400 feedback rating without a negative. I should go out and get some negatives so people will not think I'm Not too bright.
Incredible logic there.
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clarksville
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posted on June 16, 2002 07:54:14 PM
fluffythewondercat Negative feedback comes with the territory.
No it doesn't.
One of my seller ids has 97 negs. So what?
Out of how many feedbacks? 98?
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rampaged
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posted on June 16, 2002 09:04:10 PM
Want to see feedback bombing??? Read at the following link:
http://forums.ebay.com/[email protected]^[email protected]
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clarksville
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posted on June 16, 2002 09:32:35 PM
rampaged I used to hang out at eBay's Cafe about four years ago, both as a lurker and as a chatter. Before transaction only feedback was incorporated, peeps would come in, and randomly leave negative feedback on users. I was spared the hassle of undoing the damage to my feedback.
Also it was only a few years ago around New Year's Eve (just before the transaction only change), that the eBay Book Chat had a feedback party. There was a "nickname" for the feedback party, but can't think of it right off. Also, it was common for Cafe regulars to leave feedback for each other to help build up the feedbacks.
I never participated in the "back-slap" feedbacks. I always felt that I needed to "deserve" the feedback and not because we were so-called friends.
[ edited by clarksville on Jun 16, 2002 09:34 PM ]
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bidsbids
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posted on June 16, 2002 10:33:56 PM
I remember the eBay Cafe before the feedback rule changes. I use to leave positive feedbacks to the regular posters and watch their feedback rating change in the Cafe as their feedback rating was displayed next to their user id. They never said thank you or even acknowledged the change in their rating. The eBay feedback system was so incredibly poor back then it was pathetic.
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Dejapooh
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posted on June 17, 2002 08:23:50 AM
I am tempted to bid on one of your auctions just to give that neg... At least it would be a friendly neg.... Right?
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clarksville
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posted on June 17, 2002 09:39:34 AM
Dejapooh who are you talking to?
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tomyou
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posted on June 17, 2002 09:56:07 AM
well I see you have a neg nows so the nuetral doesn't look so bad. you state on here you said watch does not work not sure why in MAY be the battery and your auction actually says it is MOST LIKELY the battery. a small difference in words there but worth noting. Whats the story on that neg for the video ?
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clarksville
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posted on June 17, 2002 10:50:43 AM
As a buyer's point of view, my take of the situation is that the buyer is a novus and didn't know what they were doing. When they "refused" to pay, the seller placed a negative feedback and the buyer reliated.
The auction is IMO straightforward, stating that the tape hasn't been tested. If I placed a bid on a auction like this, I would know that I am getting a tape that may or may not be "viewable." READ THE DESCRIPTION, buyers!
Did the fact that the buyer is in the USA and the seller is in CANADA have anything to do with this?
What gets me, is that there are buyers who think we, the sellers are intimidated by the threat of a negative feedback. HA!
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macker123
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posted on June 17, 2002 11:40:01 AM
The neg is just from a NON-PAYING bidder angry I left a neg for him.
Auction ended he immediatly emailed me saying I don't want it anymore, I emailed back saying you bid etc. you are responsible for your bides, he emailed back calling me, *#$%^ this etc. I emailed back politely if he didn't finish the transaction I would leave neg feedback he went ballastic.
So I left neg and filed non-paying bidder. Now a few days latter he makes some stories up about me threatening him etc and leaves neg feedback. go figure!
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