posted on June 30, 2002 12:09:25 PM new
"I am sorry...but I sure don't remember reading in my history book that Linclon only wanted to free "25 randomly selected" slaves ever 6 months....for good karma."
Perhaps you should reread your history. Lincoln did free ony a select group of slaves, and the others were still bound by slavery. The reason you don't remember reading it in your history book is because the books published for schools only tell the good and not the bad of American History.
I don't understand anyone's logic that says I should leave positive feedback if I also leave negatives. Are there rules to the game that I missed out on?
Even ebay doesn't have rules that state you must leave positives if you post negatves as well. You can choose to make up your own rules and play the game as you wish, I think your game is immature and child play.
I can post my own sales record and post my own customers feedback, as many companies do in mail order without relying on ebay's pathetic system.
Amazingly, the status quo has proven once again how it survives based only on emotion and absolutely no logic. Has one of these morons shown why a buyer can threaten to leave a neutral for the only reason because the seller won't leave feedback, and still not draw criticism, yet the seller gets called a jerk, child, poor attitude because he disagrees with a system that allows that to happen?
Keep your immature and illogical comments to yourself until you can keep an adult discussion.
posted on June 30, 2002 12:38:54 PM new
***Has one of these morons shown why a buyer can threaten to leave a neutral for the only reason because the seller won't leave feedback, and still not draw criticism, yet the seller gets called a jerk, child, poor attitude because he disagrees with a system that allows that to happen? Keep your immature and illogical comments to yourself until you can keep an adult discussion.
Looking back through my posts and I sure don't seem to see where I resorted to name calling...and you want to call ME immature?
posted on June 30, 2002 01:09:02 PM new
"The feedback system although flawed, is still the best (only) way to determine how dependable an individual will be during a transaction."
So lets stick with a flawed ebay feedback system even though other some sites already have much better systems.
I never tried to abolish the feedback system, only the way it is in the present form. We don't need to live with something subpar.
posted on June 30, 2002 02:10:17 PM new
quickdraw29 is right. The feedback system is fatally flawed. And it is NO predictor of the success or failure of a transaction.
It is, however, a huge ego game for some folks, though. Look at the trembling newbies go through periodically over getting a (ooooh, be very afraid) neutral.
Feedback crybabies, indeed. Why not save your energies for something really important? Some of you are crossing swords here daily over feedback. Same old issues, same old arguments, I'm sick of it all.
Meanwhile, some dipshit woman leaves her two infants in her car for three hours while she has her hair done. Then she drives around for an hour trying to concoct a story that will explain the two dead kids, before finally taking them to the emergency room.
quickdraw29, I was in the exact same situation as you (buyer harassing daily for a month) and I finally reached my limit. I negged her. Life's too short to let idiots drain my energy.
posted on June 30, 2002 03:35:17 PM new
QD, I agree with you on this one, regardless of whether you leave negative feedback or not. I do feel though, that eBay's current system is better than nothing.
I just got negged today by a (2) rated newbie. Claims he paid me but didn't receive his item. Auction ended just five days ago. It irks me that he leaves neg feedback on a Sunday, which is normally not a business day. I left a reciprocal neg. Maybe next time he'll think twice before passing out an undeserved neg.
posted on June 30, 2002 03:47:39 PM new
Quickdraw: Take some advice from me and don't continue in this feeding frenzy. As you can see in my thread, there are people here who will stalk your auctions. Some will even complain to eBay if it "violates policy". My initial crime was leaving 2 negs for somebody slimey. I agree the eBay FB thing can be useless. Good luck!
posted on July 1, 2002 10:40:25 AM new
Sounds like feedback extortion to me. Feedback has nothing to do with a completed transaction. This person is now pissed at you and if you leave positive feedback he just may slip you a neg. I would leave nothing at this point.
posted on July 1, 2002 11:04:37 AM new
QD29; I agree with the others that YOU ARE indeed participating. If you are leaving negs & neutrals, isn't that participating? Thats like Clinton saying I never had sex with that woman. I agree you can't have it both ways. As far as this single buyer is concerned, why don't you email him & explain that it isn't part of the transaction & you don't leave feedback? I also agree that feedback is an option, not a requirement. I do it as a courtesy to my customers. It shows that I appreciate their business.
[ edited by sanmar on Jul 1, 2002 02:37 PM ]
posted on July 1, 2002 02:59:18 PM new
These kinds of threats are against eBay policy, and the person can be tossed off the service for it. File a complaint with eBay and tell him to get lost.
posted on July 1, 2002 04:11:40 PM new
I think it to be only apropriate to leave feedback on an individual in a timely fashion. The question is "Why is it a problem to leave feedback for a paying Ebayer?" Your problem(s) with the Ebay Feedback System is yours and you should be more professional and not pass your dislike in reciprocating terms to your bidder. Also think about this; If you list that you do not leave feedback on your auction items, do you think they will bid on your item. The probability of that happening is slim. I frown on disgruntled Ebayers and I dislike rudeness, but honor your bidders request if in the least just to maintain your dignity and to let them know you are bigger than they are.
posted on July 1, 2002 07:40:37 PM new
I don't care if the next 500 customers of mine never leave a feedback. I look at it to find out what my customers are saying. This isn't an issue if I benefit from the feedback system. I'm discussing how we all can benefit from a better fb system.
The comments I am receivng here are just complicating a simple issue. I don't particpate in leaving positive feedback. Do you see protesters outside their place of employement carrying signs "WE LOVE OUR EMPLOYER"; "WE LOVE THE FREE MEALS"? No, you just see "WE WANT MORE PAY;" "WE WANT BETTER BENEFITS."
"Your problem(s) with the Ebay Feedback System is yours and you should be more professional and not pass your dislike in reciprocating terms to your bidder. Also think about this; If you list that you do not leave feedback on your auction items, do you think they will bid on your item."
That's your opinion and you can live by it. I don't live by such ridiculous standards. Your statement is equivilent to saying, Hitlers Officers were acting professional and had an obligation to the Nazi's to slaughter Jews.
Stand up for what you believe is right, not what is professional or what will bring you more business!!! Get a backbone!
posted on July 1, 2002 11:12:38 PM new
I think what you have to say is very contradictory and that first you say, "I look at it(in reference to feedback) to find out what my customers are saying." then you say "I don't particpate in leaving positive feedback" In fact, You need the backbone because you your stability is the issue and you don't know what you stand for. Don't leave any feedback if you think the system is flawed. But if you have a backbone as you suggest I don't, then you would leave a comment on ALL of your Auctions stating your refusal to leave feedback. Also your extreme caricatures are just that a grotesque imitation and your references to Abraham Lincoln, and Martin L. King are suggestive of your childlike reasoning. Your comparisons are so diluted and somewhat extreme. Do you argue this as a "political" agenda. For with your examples, they had a cause. "What's Yours?" Is it for a better feedback system or is it to protest everything? Maybe you should develop software to facilitate your desire for a better system. For as history notes, Abraham and Martin Luther implemented change through vision and action. I hope your protest follows with action.
One more thing--- This comment is very logical and very mature.
[ edited by advantage1 on Jul 1, 2002 11:15 PM ]
posted on July 2, 2002 09:49:38 AM new
quickdraw says he doesn't use the feedback system, then later says, "yet I have amassed over a thousand positive feedbacks with less than 2% negs,"
Busted, busted, busted! Is this not using the feedback system for your own purposes?
posted on July 3, 2002 11:05:51 AM new
Today the buyer left me a neutral saying I "refuse to leave buyers" fb.
I left him a neg for harassing me and making threats. He needs to learn that in order to build positive fb, one doesn't harass and make threats.
posted on July 4, 2002 05:23:59 PM new
It is your perogative to participate or not, but it is part of the way Ebay works. The reason I appreciate feedback is because it lets me know the buyer has received the item - since most people don't bother to let you know if they receive their item and you risk a negative for 90 days! If you have over 1000 positives - how do you clear out your records on an auction unless you get the fb to know it has arrived??
