posted on July 31, 2002 07:11:52 AM new
Stusi, my point was not that mac’s are good ore bad. If you had as many people hacking away at them as people are hacking away at Wintel systems, there would be many more problems in MACville.
One of the reasons that WinTel systems are more of a target is because that is where the data is stored. Credit card numbers, banking info, all the valuable stuff that companies – not personal users – have on their systems. Windows systems have the data that hackers want. I am sure that if a MAC system were compromisable and would get them some valuable data, that it would be hacked.
Please let’s not get into a Mac/Windows debate. Let’s just all agree that you NEED virus protection.
There’s JACKSWEBB shouting at us again!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted on July 31, 2002 08:00:06 AM new
Do any of you use a auction service? The one I use will not upload pics if you are behind a firewall and the virus program slows down everything I do and has to be shut off when I am making cd's (not from file swapping on the net -- from my old vinyl which I own thousands of) etc. etc.
Its just impossible for me to keep the virus software running all the time. I don't know where you are getting all these viruses from--why??? I do sell and I don't get any. I have taken the summer off, but I have never had a virus sent to me from an Ebay customer and until May I ran an average of 100 ads a week. How do I know this? Because I never receive emails from customers that contain attachments, and, like I said, I do run a virus scan about once a month or so.
The one virus that was sent to me came from a newsgroup I belong to (or rather a person on the newsgroup who had my address in her computer). The subject line was: Here's the ...file we discussed. I did not know this person and had not asked for a file from them so that was why I returned it and thus found out it was a virus. She later posted an apology on the newsgroups page about sending it and I guess others opened it and became infected.
My main problem is with not being able to efficiently complete my ads and other work I do on the computer on a daily basis with the program running. If you read the warnings that pop up on several programs you will see they "suggest" you turn off virus protection and firewall programs prior to proceding.
I also have a very large database program which is filled with copies of work files and it slows down to almost inoperable when the virus program is running -- and that is on the new fast computer.
Am I the only one that has problems with running other programs and virus protections software?
[ edited by lindajean on Jul 31, 2002 08:02 AM ]
posted on July 31, 2002 08:10:51 AM new
Hi,
I have run into this problem with some online shopping carts. However, it's not with my virus program. I have found once I disable the Privacy Control within Norton I'm able to proceed.
posted on July 31, 2002 11:22:16 AM new
Lindajean, I never have any problems with an auction service, uploading files etc. I use AW all the time. I don’t know what type of Antivirus software you are running but like I said in one of my previous posts, the only software I have not had a problem with is Norton Antivirus and Personal Firewall.
As for making CD’s from vinyl, I can see the virus software slowing you down somewhat because the files are very large and are scanned when opened. In Norton, you can tell it not to scan certain types of files. If for example all of your audio files end in a .AUD extension, you can tell Norton to ignore them. This could also be the case with your large database files from work.
I must admit that I cannot trace a virus back to an ebay buyer that I have had. I never know where the virus comes from. It just shows up and tries to zap me from users that I don’t know. I never get them from friends because I made sure all of them are running antivirus software.
I have had problems in the past with speed with virus software. My new computer is so fast that I don’t notice it anymore. I have also had to disable it at times.
Chris30 – I have also had problems with Privacy control and decided not to use it.
posted on July 31, 2002 08:19:38 PM new
stusi, I had no idea....but listen y'all...he's right...look...if you're a virus author, you are looking to do the most damage with the least amount of effort. Win-doze computers comprise 90% + of the total computers in use, therefore...who do you write your virii for? jackpot!! Win-doze users!!! (bells and sirens go off...)
Stusi is right, get a Mac. I have been using Macs (at home) and Pee-Sees ( at work, where I "have to"since 1989, had a continuous home internet connection since 1992, and have NEVER, not ONCE, had a virus or a worm or any other version of Nasty infect my Macs, the Pee-Sees on the other hand, pick up every new bug that comes along...get a Mac and kiss your virii (and many other forms of aggravation) GOODBYE!!!
posted on July 31, 2002 08:22:20 PM new
p.s., as rccomputers recommends, I always use virus protection on my Mac, as well as a firewall to keep out the script kiddies, but I have never had need of the Norton on the Macs......
posted on August 1, 2002 11:04:19 AM new
Well, I already had Norton A/V 2002 on my PC, but my laptop was old #5. So last night I went to Costco & bought Norton Internet Security. The cost was $54.99 + tax with a $20.00 rebate. So my total cost will be $39.25. The more I hear about hackers etc. The more I realize how vulnerable we are on the internet. By the way Staples sells the same thing for $69.99 with the discount.
By the way my Norton A/V is on at all times & I have never had a problem of any kind. I don't understand why you would have any problems, Norton is made to work with all Windows from 95 up to & including XP. I don't know about Linux or the old OS of IBM.
[ edited by sanmar on Aug 1, 2002 11:11 AM ]
posted on August 1, 2002 03:33:39 PM new
I use Norton Anti Virus for Mac, they make it for all platforms....but I have never needed it, as Stusi said above, Macs are rarely bothered by viruses, and in response to the post about Wintels being cheaper....they sure are, and you get what you pay for...want a $299.00 computer? buy a noname wintel, and have fun with the blue screens and virii....
posted on August 3, 2002 01:37:29 AM new
I wonder if having a hybrid email like Yahoo is safer than a client based email like Express?
rccomputers? I would like your thoughts!
My email is all over my photos, but I never open attachments.
And I have anti virus software, Norton is cool....Plus I have a Mac...I love my Mac...I migrated from PC to Mac...sammmooooch my Mac!
Anyhooo....condoms and computers...why am I so not surprised an Ex Marine would go THERE!
LMAO!!!
posted on August 3, 2002 06:32:10 AM new
web based mail is going to be a little safer than client based, but the spam!! I use both..yahoo for all things Ebay and EudoraPro for my main address...get rid of Outlook, you don't have to use it and it's often vulnerable, and anyway it's bloated and hard to learn...
your mac, as explained above, is inherently more protected from viruses, keep your Norton updated and use a firewall if you have high-speed access..I like NetBarrier from Intego...and stop worrying...all the viruses that hit my mac are for windows and don't do any harm....
congratulations on making the switch!
posted on August 3, 2002 06:40:49 AM new
like i stated before in another thread about a month back. the reason that macs gets less virues is possibly becasue the percentage of teh population of computer owners own a PC. there are way more pc viruses made then mac viruses. people who make viruses make them to reak havoc not for fun so why would they make a virus for a computer that fewer people own?!
posted on August 4, 2002 09:04:07 AM new
Two things you can do to help block worms and viruses if you're not running antivirus software:
(1) Make the first entry in the address book of your email program something like !000, with "WormAlert" instead of an email address.
When a worm tries to hijack your address book and send emails, this one will bounce back to you as undeliverable, and you'll know you've been infected.
(2) Go into the "Options" or "Preferences" section of your email program, and tell it not to download any email over 100K in size. Most worms and viruses have to be larger than that in order to execute, so if it never gets downloaded from off the server at your ISP, it never gets to your home computer. If a truncated email is from someone you know and has a legitimate attachment, you can click on a "retrieve from server" icon and get that particular email. The virus-laden emails left on the server will typically be deleted by your ISP after a month or so. I use this technique to "screen" my email, and it blocks about 90% of suspicious emails. My copy of Norton AntiVirus nails the rest.
Norton has saved my butt a couple of times, and is well worth the price of putting it on my machine. You do have to keep updating regularly, though (I learned that lesson with SirCam and fortunately didn't lose any data, but by the time I caught it, most of my programs were frozen and I had to go in and edit the Windows Registry file by hand--NOT FUN.)
Finally, don't get angry at people who send you virus-laden emails. They may not even know they're infected. Or they may not be infected at all, but the virus has "harvested" their email address off a website cached in somebody else's computer. (So it pays to toss cookies and dump cache frequently, too.)
posted on August 4, 2002 09:49:40 AM newMake the first entry in the address book of your email program something like !000, with "WormAlert" instead of an email address. When a worm tries to hijack your address book and send emails, this one will bounce back to you as undeliverable, and you'll know you've been infected.
This is a hoax, and doesn't work.
Viruses like KLEZ don't use Outlook (or any of your other email programs) to send the virus to others. They contain their own SMTP program (hence the size of the virus), and use that. That is why the infected files never show up in your SENT log.
Besides, viruses like KLEZ are pulling email addresses out of EVERY file on your computer, not just the address book. They search ALL documents, and find EVERY email address.
posted on August 4, 2002 11:46:59 AM new
I too am running Norton 2002 w/Internet Security. I've had it approx. 1 1/2 months and give it a very high rating. It has caught numerous Trojan Horses and unknown attempts - you can also "track" it by running the Scan...however, my 2-month old computer's hard drive, which runs Windows XP died last week - was just replaced yesterday - one of the tech. support folks I talked to along the way said that Norton will freeze up XP "every time"...out of about 4 tech. support people I talked to, only this one said that. Have any of you heard anything similar? Did a possible XP / Norton conflict cause my hard drive to die (or did I just have a "dud" HD)? I really like my XP and also LOVE my Norton 2002 Internet Security, but is there a conflict between the two. BTW - I have just this morning reloaded my Norton and it already caught something "suspicious"...any input on this would be greatly appreciated...thanks!
posted on August 4, 2002 02:49:01 PM new
Hi,
Granted I'm mostly a mac person OSX.
But we do have 2 PC's running XP with Norton Internet Security 2002. Many months later we have yet to have any conflicts. Nor have our PC's froze. I couldn't say the same for McAfee.
Hard Drives can go for years or they could suddenly die.
posted on August 4, 2002 07:12:23 PM new
Japerton, Hotmail and Yahoo are both better then a local client like outlook express when it comes to protecting you from viruses. They scan or let you scan your email for viruses. Most large companies like Hotmail and Yahoo do tell you but do complete “packet” inspection for all types of viruses, Trojans, bad code, etc. There are specialized systems that will disassemble the language of the internet (TCP/IP) and scan for malicious code.
The problem with Yahoo and Hotmail and others is SPAM as made clear by profe51. I have a hotmail email address and get about two emails per day there that I want to read. I get 70 to 80 trash porn, investment, and free credit junk per day. It is a real pain. I use the address when entering contests and when I get the feeling that they are going to spam me. Not to mention the indiscriminate spammers that just start sending emails to sequential email address.
Yes there are tricks and games you can play with Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora and many others to let you know you are infected but I personally don’t want to know when I am infected, I want to stop it before it happens. And as rewassago stated, many are a hoax and viruses have their way around the tricks also.
I personally run Outlook Express and I like it. It works for me. I use the filtering capability to keep the spam down to a minimum and I use Norton Internet security because I think it is the best one out there. It is also important to note that if you use Norton make sure you have the automatic virus updates turned on. Those of you with 56K connections will notice that when Norton automatically updates it slows your connection down some but those with faster connections won’t notice. This will make sure you are up to date every day.
posted on August 4, 2002 07:57:35 PM new
All these posts help me a lot since I don't know much about computers. I got hit with Klez in May (thought I had Norton but it hadn't been installed) and eventually had to have the whole computer reformated. Now I am trying to install a printer and it says to turn off anti-virus before proceding but I have no idea how to turn it off and my helper isn't available right now. Any help would be appreciated.
posted on August 4, 2002 08:23:16 PM new
I'm using XP with Norton. I have the norton icons in the lower right corner. To disable the programs I simply right click on the icon and choose disable.
posted on August 5, 2002 06:15:02 AM new
Antique519, If the icon for Norton Antivirus is not in the system tray by the time, you can click on START then PROGRAMS and you will find it under there. Open it and it will give you the option to disable it.
Just don’t forget to enable it when you are done installing the printer.
posted on August 5, 2002 08:06:24 PM new
Thanks for the help. I haven't had time to do anything today, in fact this is the first chance I have had to get online, but I will do as you say as soon as I can. Thanks again!
posted on August 5, 2002 10:46:55 PM new
Well, 2 more klez attacks today. I am so used to them that all I have to do is look at many KB & if they are over 100, usually around 125-135, then I jus hit block & go on.
since 1989, had a continuous home internet connection since 1992, and have NEVER, not ONCE, had a virus or a worm or any other version of Nasty infect my Macs, the Pee-Sees on the other hand, pick up every new bug that comes along...get a Mac and kiss your virii (and many other forms of aggravation) GOODBYE!!!