posted on January 11, 2001 01:33:23 PM new
mybiddness - it's not any particular bird. I just told him I wanted a bird and what colors to make it. He has a wonderful reputation, and he's a terrific artist. So, I trusted him and said go for it.
The colors are two different blues, orange, and a touch of yellow and black. But, it's not like a parrott or anything like that, just a very pretty bird.
posted on January 11, 2001 01:37:56 PM new
I wish I weren't such a chicken. Maybe daughter and I can make it a bonding experience... she gets a mustang on her butt and I get a bird on my shoulder. (lots of colors too) Oh yeah, the old stodgy I'm married to would stand for that kicking and screaming. LOL
posted on January 11, 2001 01:51:05 PM new
LOL - yes, but I would never, ever, ever (and I never say never) but take this one to the bank - I would never get a tongue ring. Besides, I thought that tattoos were like torture. I wouldn't mind a little sting - but I always thought of it as 1000 shots coming at ya.
Another thing - with the "date" - I couldn't see what his tattoo's were. Just wierd little tail, swirly things poking out. I wanted to tell him to pull up his sleeves so I could see if they were monsters or flowers. Well, that would make a difference to me at least.
posted on January 11, 2001 02:25:06 PM new
HartCottageQuilts
Although there haven't been a lot of responses to your question
I don't believe that I am alone with my feeling about this issue.
Unconventional behavior doesn't generally bother me. I would
rather see my daughter swinging naked from the chandelier
than have a ring through her mouth
or a horse tatoo on her ass.
posted on January 11, 2001 02:58:54 PM new
Actually, hjw, my question was directed at you, so I'm not surprised there "haven't been a lot of responses."
And since you haven't answered...I'm still wondering what it is about piercing and tattooing that makes you apparently prefer just about anything to them.
posted on January 11, 2001 03:13:51 PM new
wow---I'd much rather see my kid with a tattoo or a piercing than swinging from a chandelier. They might break their neck that way!
Seriously though---a piercing or tattoo is just a surface thang. Better a kid that looks funny and has integrity than a kid that looks normal and seduces the neighbor's husband or wife, or steals, or drinks and drives, or other crap.
Parents, the straight-A preppies in my high school were the ones smoking pot and having sex, when pink-haired me and my best friend who wore safety pins in her ears (this was circa 85) were the ones who stayed virgins til over 18.....
posted on January 11, 2001 03:35:23 PM new
HCQ
Your first question posted Jan 10, 2001, posted at 10:52:38AM
"Just curious - what exactly about this guy's body piercing distresses you?"....was not directed to me and it was not answered.
Check it out.
When nobody else responded, I asked you if you were joking.
That is when I became involved.
We all have different values and tastes. I haven't asked you for
example why you like the rings and tatoos. I have simply stated
my opinion and you can state yours.
posted on January 11, 2001 07:04:48 PM new
Guess you missed my post of this afternoon, hjw, in which I first quoted you, and then addressed you personally (see page 2 of this thread):
[i]I'm trying to understand why I think that it's so strange. Do body piercers want to separate themselves from society... a sort of non conformist act or ritual? Do [/b]they[/b] just like the look? Do they want to piss off their parents? As has been suggested is there a sexual component? I simply don't know. [/u]
"HJW, the questions you're asking don't seem to be focusing on why you "think that it's so strange," but on "their" motives. Do you mean that the reason for your feelings is that you're perhaps not comfortable with nonconformity in appearance or behavior, unfamiliar rituals, or "deviant" sex - and body piercing suggests those things to you? "
At no point have I questioned whether whether you are entitled to a different "opinion" from mine or anybody else's.
What I've been asking is simply the same question you yourself first raised: why, exactly, body piercing/tattoos appears to push your buttons so.
posted on January 11, 2001 08:21:45 PM new
All this talk about tattos has got me wondering if you used a dye that fluoresces
under UV could you do a tattoo that only shows under black light and is not normally visable? Some sellers mark their stuff with a pen like that. You could look ok for your day job but wild at home with the right lights.
posted on January 11, 2001 08:36:01 PM new
gravid - what a cool idea. That would be so much fun. All these images are going though my mind about what would look good under a black light and movement.
posted on January 11, 2001 08:52:13 PM new If you want to see his tattoos you just have to hope they keep dating until spring!
I tried to nonchallantly ask her what they were. She says she doesn't know.... drat it. I'm really curious. It doesn't escape me that it says something about my own prejudice. If it's something benign I'm o.k. If it's a skull with dripping blood... well, there ya go. That's where I would get itchy. Further that with - if it's a bunch of half hidden tattoo's on a big ole guy with a shaved head and a tongue ring... and MOST importantly... he's taking my daughter out... well, then you just go back to my first post. It reminds me of the old joke - we're all (men included) whores... we just haggle over the price. IOW, we all have our own prejudice on some level... it's just where you've drawn the line. hummphh! I hope that made sense - I'm too tired to edit.
HJW - My daughter doesn't like horses. But, she does have a 35th edition yellow Mustang that she loves and drives and worked her arse off for... so as much as I might squawk - if she wants to put ten of them on her arse - I'm sure I'd end up helping her find just the right one... following the safety advice, etc. I've gotten here. I see tattoo's as an expression of the person. I guess that's why I'm not personally comfortably with skulls and such.
About your daughter? Is she swinging naked on the chandelier by herself or with an audience? When I swing naked from the chandeliers, I prefer to be alone. NOT that I'm saying there's anything wrong with an audience. (tongue in cheek)
Gravid... excellent idea - I wonder if it's on the market already.
posted on January 11, 2001 09:04:05 PM newmybiddness: why not just ask him? People with tattoos are usually happy to show them when people ask. I have only met one person who didn't & *she* was a bit of a nutcake--I say this because what normal person would literally cover their bodies with tattoos (she had way more than I do), go about in shorts and skimpy middy tops...and then get furious with anyone who asked her about her tattoos?!?
posted on January 11, 2001 09:24:32 PM newBunnicula I'm afraid I may have blown it with all my stammering on our first meeting... I'm embarassed to remember how duh uh duh I was. Anyway, if they have another date I doubt the daughter brings him around. She'll probably arrange to have him meet her somewhere - since mom over-reacted a little. sigh... I guess I could ask her for his phone #. I can call him up and say - hey, I don't know if you're gonna be dating my daughter again but just in case... I got a tattoo question.
Tonight she got to baby-sit and I was the one with the date. Hubby took me to the book store and Sizzlers... he's so sweet.
a ubb thing
Not paranoid anywhere else but here!
[ edited by mybiddness on Jan 11, 2001 09:25 PM ]
posted on January 12, 2001 05:44:48 AM newhjw, as I've stated before, from the get-go you've made no bones about WHAT your opinion is on body art: you think it's offensive.
What I've been asking for is an insight into WHY you - or anybody else - with that opinion actually feels that way. Do you object on religious grounds (e.g., prohibitions on "mutilation" )? Does a tattoo or piercing trigger images of how the tattoo or piercing got there (knives or needles), and give you the same heebie-jeebies just looking at a dentist drill does to me? Are you offended by what you see as the "in-your-face" nonconformity body art implies? Do you find it somehow sleazy, which was the reputation of tattoos for many years? Does piercing to you imply some connection with BD/SM or other subculture which you find offensive? Do you think body art is somehow unsanitary or just plain dangerous? I'm trying to imagine possible objections, but since I don't actually know anybody who finds them as offensive as you apparently do (aside from my son's father, whose sole objection is What The Neighbors Will Say), all I can do is conjecture. And rather than ASSUME the reasons why someone would object, I was hoping to be enlightened by an actual dialog on this from an actual human being.
Clearly this is a sensitive issue for you. Under the circumstances, I'm not surprised that in your mind asking a question about it would feel "combative".
[ edited by HartCottageQuilts on Jan 12, 2001 05:45 AM ]
It reminds me of the old joke - we're all (men included) whores... we just haggle over the price. IOW, we all have our own prejudice on some level... it's just where you've drawn the line. hummphh! I hope that made sense - I'm too tired to edit.