posted on September 5, 2000 06:47:14 PM new
apldaigle
Same thing I come up with!
If you go to Yahoo General TOS it states one Id and Password to use Yahoo services!
Lot of information at this URL!
http://help.yahoo.com/help/profiles
Sorry, for some reason I can't get it to display as a hyper-link!
VeryModern
I do not use rare or hard to find in my adds!
Auctions are for selling items at competive bidding!
Auctioneers even use the first bid wins when large quanties of items are up for sale and they cannot sell all the items!
Example:
They start decreasing the price until someone bids! Usually leftovers! Started with 4 items and 3 of them sold and cannot get anyone to start the bidding on the last item!
If you want to operate as all the stores you mentioned you should not be listing under the guise of an aution!
You should be listing in Yahoo Stores or classifieds and see if you get as many visitors?
There are millions of folks who do not have computers and are collectors and will pay high prices at auction for items they have when they do get a computer and are bold enough to venture on to the Internet!!
The term Auction is what brings the folks here!
The main items I sell are not easily replenishable as well as no longer made and as long as I make $$$$ for the price I list it with no reserve whether it has 1 bid or 20 makes no real differance, except when there are 20 bids my profit is higher!
Off the Soap box: Following is part of a message from one of the collectors that E-mailed me today:
"Another thing that I notice in these auctions is that many
people sell 'Garbage' per se. I think that a good auction should promote the
sale of top quality goods, whether they are collectibles, cars, computers,
etc. As with the Matchbox auctions, I see far too many cars in bad
condition, no original boxes or blister packs, cars usually have signs of
playwear , etc. If you are serious about collecting these babies, one should
only bid for cars in mint to near new condition with original packaging."
Incidentally he used Yahoo Pay Direct! First one and Yeah Yahoo!
posted on September 5, 2000 07:03:24 PM new
warr - your argument is a good one, a logical one, but if all the people who were selling un-auctionable items (as either of us define them - things that do not inspire competitive bidding - common) there would be nowhere near the number of offerings.. kind of like the old days in real life, and it all goes around and we are back where we started. Things authentically rare and few and far between are sold at auction, everything else is just sold.
You are correct that it is "auction" that brings people to the site - they may get a deal...
I am right that it is the mass and variety of things available that keeps them there and brings them back.
If people did not like to buy "not auction" then I would not be selling this and that left and right by the hour. I list a true "auction" on Yahoo less than 5% of the time.
By Yahoo having a "buy price" in the first place - they have defined themselves as not a pure auction site. They are for the people as far as I am concerned, and people are varied, like things - and so we have various formats and free will on both sides (buyers and sellers).
I think it is poetry!
posted on September 5, 2000 09:34:10 PM new
VeryModern
Ditto my friend!
If you ever come up with a good reasonable venue for store fronts on line! LMK!
I sort of like what Yahoo has, but not sure I want to shell ot $100/month with possibly no return other then the Auctions!
Maybe the first bid wins and rule of 1000 is setting us up just for that?
Part of my concern is that no one including Yahoo is going to allow us with indefinite space for free to just list sales with out the allure of new prospective clients to add to their fold!
Good sellers always have a following!
Once folks figure out it is just a term auctions, but actually a store the intrigue will wear itself out in a hurry!
Plenty of retail and wholesale stores on line already!
Gotta start looking around again for a few other venues and list some of my other stuff!
posted on September 6, 2000 12:28:36 AM newVeryModern, EXCELLENT POST!!! I've been so very tired of warr carrying on in different threads about the "buy price" and "first bid wins" and "relisting til it sells" not being APPROPRIATE for online auctions, and your answers were right on the money!
"My point here is that AUCTION for common things is over. That ship has sailed, and my next point is that most everything is common. If your thing is not, go to ebay. That leaves 90% to be sold for 1 bid whether intended or otherwise."
Truer words were never spoken (except that you might consider KEEPING it at Yahoo if your thing is NOT common, and letting us have first crack at it).
The DIFFERENCE between putting it on eBay and having it close A WEEK LATER with a single bid, and putting it on Yahoo and having it close AT ANY TIME with a single bid, is that THE BUYER DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT for the auction to close on Yahoo....it closes WHEN HE DECIDES TO BID.
warr, if you don't like Yahoo's "buy price" feature, then just stick with eBay. But the way the eBay sellers are clamoring for a "buy price" feature, don't be surprised to find it appearing over there sometime soon.
posted on September 6, 2000 09:10:24 AM new
With yahoo being free, if your quota gets low...whats to stop poeople from getting a new id....and buying from yourself to increase your quota??
posted on September 6, 2000 12:40:28 PM new
After reading all the hogwash about the "point" system ~ it's pretty clear - this is the charge for the previous years' free lunch. Only, the newbies on Yahoo will probably make a U-turn back to Ebay.
What Yahoo doesn't get, is, our Auctions cause traffic to the site period! Yahoo certainly doesn't depend on just auctions to exist. Just ask Ebay---they can't make it without gauging their sellers. That, I can almost understand, but Yahoo is a SEARCH engine and has many options for revenue.
As in a previous msg board, I said, the CEO's are salivating on how they can manipulate their FREE listings into money makers. What I believe is coming is.....once you use up all your freebies, a CHARGE will be placed on additional auctions. This is only the beginning folks!
Anyone know a good Venture Capital Co. who would like to start the 3rd biggest auction on the net?? Make it free and they will come -only, charge the BIDDERS to join----(now, don't go ballistic) not a bad idea. I would pay a annual membership fee to find good deals. The problem is - these dopes designed the auctions without considering that at a REAL auction, the bidder pays a 10% premium, + tax on each item. I just paid it last week.
posted on September 6, 2000 01:09:10 PM new
Needed to fortify statement of charging Bidders - of course, Yahoo cannot do that. However, IF they start charging Sellers, then splitting it with a small registration fee for Bidders "might" just keep out the Deadbeats........Why would they bid on something - not pay for it, when they would lose their registration?
A new kid on the block auction could pull this off - if at the gate - a quarterly reg. fee for bidders- and same for sellers??? It would eliminate FVF probs and could very well support a new site. Just an idea......
