snowyegret
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posted on March 5, 2001 01:10:57 PM new
njrazd: The problem with putting the active ingredient in capsule form is that many patients with severe nausea due to chemo or other causes are NPO (nothing by mouth) or would just puke it up without absorbing anything. Caps are not the best delivery system for meds. Dermal patch or inhalation are the best methods outside of IV, IM or SQ.
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grannyfox
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posted on March 5, 2001 01:12:05 PM new
...it's that unfriendly one that will get you. 
**Disclaimer: If I appear arguementive, then I probably am just being a #*!@ today. It comes & goes. C.
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lotsafuzz
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posted on March 5, 2001 01:16:40 PM new
LOL
I wondered how long it would be until someone mentioned New Mexico. Let me tell you something about Governor Gary E. Johnson.....the man is an ass. This is the same fellow who sees no problem with giving more money to the jail system than the school system.
I love that he says he isn't "a typical politician", the hell he isn't!! I've had the 'honor' of watching this man at work.
As for the drug issue: Personally, I think that New Mexico has *much* bigger problems that MUST be dealt with FIRST! For example, the lastest shafting coming out of Santa Fe is a state run health care system. As if HMO's aren't scarry enough....now they want the STATE to run health care. God help us all!
PS: If you couldn't tell, I live in New Mexico.
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toke
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posted on March 5, 2001 01:18:08 PM new
LOL! Hi GF...
I'm having a Pina Colada and feel quite friendly 
They're downgrading here...from a blizzard warning to a winter storm warning. Spooky though...we're getting big chunks of ice, blowing off the trees and smacking into our windows...
How is it where you are??
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grannyfox
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posted on March 5, 2001 01:22:01 PM new
They have downgraded here too toke. We got probably 8" or so of fine slippery snow. And we are still supposed to get another foot or more but not the winds they were calling for. So hopefully we won't loose our power. Being snowed in is one thing, no power is completely a different issue though!
**Disclaimer: If I appear arguementive, then I probably am just being a #*!@ today. It comes & goes. C.
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toke
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posted on March 5, 2001 01:23:55 PM new
Snowy...
You're so right. My best friends mother was prescribed M pills of some sort, in Wash. state. This was for severe nausea during chemo treatments. Did nothing for her.
My friend convinced her to smoke it...worked wonders...her mom could eat again. Her mother had never smoked, so it wasn't easy... At least her last months weren't as gruesome as they could have been.
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toke
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posted on March 5, 2001 01:31:43 PM new
We have hardly any snow yet, GF. They were saying 85mph gusts...now they're saying 55mph. As my friend's kid would say..."much more betterer."
All we have for auxiliary heat is a fireplace...not much better than nothing...lol.
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gravid
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posted on March 5, 2001 03:39:36 PM new
njrazd - Thank you. I am surprised at that but respect your observation. I had just never seen that set of conditions myself - but I am willing to learn of someting outside my experience.
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RainyBear
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posted on March 5, 2001 03:57:22 PM new
Marijuana should be legal, for medical as well as recreational use.
My poorest grades during college were during the semester I didn't smoke pot, LOL...
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figmente
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posted on March 5, 2001 06:35:22 PM new
Yes, of course.
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kraftdinner
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posted on March 5, 2001 10:20:40 PM new
Hi njrazd.....that's a great question. I think our government is finally realizing how expensive the whole thing is compared to the "negative" side of pot, which is how to control it if it becomes legal.
The de-criminalizing of it sounds like a better way to control it, but doesn't benefit the government, so I have no idea how they'll handle that. Cross border shopping would certainly increase , but would put a strain on the U.S. borders, costing you guys more.
I believe it's now legal here for medical reasons because, like snoweyegret says, the benefits are enormous for certain conditions, but it's funny.....they refuse to give heroin to a dying patient here in Canada because they're afraid they might get better and become addicted....???? Isn't that a hoot!?!?!
[ edited by kraftdinner on Mar 5, 2001 10:21 PM ]
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bobbysoxer
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posted on March 6, 2001 11:32:36 AM new
kraftdinner
As a Canadian, what is your perspective on USA's war on drugs?
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gravid
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posted on March 6, 2001 03:33:22 PM new
I think that if Canada would legalize any of the prohibited drugs it would strain relations with the US government that has such a commitment to keeping them prohibited.
I can see they would positively freak out about border crossings. It is hard enough now going over to Winsor. Most of the time you just have to deal with the traffic but every once in a while you have to run into some border guard who had an arguement that morning with his wife or something.
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RB
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posted on March 6, 2001 06:54:20 PM new
Like, I mean, like it is, isn't it?
D'Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kraftdinner
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posted on March 6, 2001 08:29:34 PM new
Hi bobbysoxer.....it's such a hard thing to answer, isn't it? Not much of it makes sense when the money spent for drug enforcement doesn't really put much of a dent in the country's usage (USA and Canada).
Also, when you have foreign countries willing to supply the demands so cheaply, it becomes a polital thing, so the US is faced with trying to "control" other countries as well as it's own, meaning more tax dollars.
(As an American living in Canada and seeing both sides, I often wonder why the US always has to fork out so much money to try and save the world....are any other countries REALLY involved in Drug Enforcement???)
I wonder what the government is really afraid of if it ever legalized/de-climinalized pot? If you're going to smoke it, you're going to regardless whether it's legal or not, so I'm not sure what would change?
Maybe the governments are just afraid everyone would turn into pot-smoking zombies and turn against them, like a re-make of the 60's or something.....wasn't it called "mass-hysteria"??? 
RB....of course it is silly! I'm just jokin' around, eh?
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bobbysoxer
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posted on March 7, 2001 09:35:56 AM new
kraftdinner
I was thinking that you were an American in Canada.
The other day when I was watching "Saving Grace" I was thinking about the issue of legalizing marijuana. I came to the theory that the liquor companies are afraid of competition.
Does anyone know the history of the legal use of marijuana? I don't but it seems that it was legal (my Dad raised hemp on his farm during the 40s) but then all of a sudden hemp growing was a no-no and so was the use.
Just like other things such as cocaine which was used in coca cola but now it would be illegal. Some of the peddlers that would go around in the country selling "cure-all tonics" would put addictive ingredients in the "medicine."
I was just wondering if the unlawfulness of marijuana and prohobition of liquor was about the same time?
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on March 7, 2001 09:48:34 AM new
I was just wondering if the unlawfulness of marijuana and prohobition of liquor was about the same time?
http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/303a.htm#illegal
edited to add...
The above link is from "Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do" by Peter McWilliams.
[ edited by mrpotatoheadd on Mar 7, 2001 09:50 AM ]
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bobbysoxer
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posted on March 7, 2001 10:24:01 AM new
Thank you mrpotatoehead for the link!
I will read it more thoroughly late on in the evening.
But in scanning the piece there were a few things that popped out and got my attention
"The great masses of the people . . . will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one." ADOLF HITLER
and the word: criminalinsanity
As to the racial prejudice towards banning certain drug I think I had heard that back in around the 1900s to about 1930s marijuana was used mainly by black men (which would tells me why the white population -generally speaking of course- didn't know about marijuana until the 60s).
After I posted the reference to marijuane being considered a "gateway" drug by some, I got to thinking about that and came to the conclusion that in my opinion -beer or wine can be considered a gateway drug as well.
Stay cool.....
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Shoshanah
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posted on March 7, 2001 02:26:57 PM new
If it guarantees to make it possible to stomach the current presidency, I say GO FOR IT...
I can attest that it does do wonders while undergoing chemo therapy...
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Gosh Shosh!
About Me
[ edited by Shoshanah on Mar 7, 2001 02:27 PM ]
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gravid
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posted on March 7, 2001 08:23:44 PM new
It always amuses me that when they raid someone growing pot they say so seriously that they are charged with MANUFACTURING marijuana. Like they are trying to paint this picture of some big chemical factory type of a site. I guess the imaige of a couple plants stuck in a couple of buckets is just not scary enough. But it does make them sound like a pompous ass. I gotta buy some futures for manufacturing corn this season.
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kraftdinner
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posted on March 7, 2001 08:50:45 PM new
Hi Shosh! .....here's one for you.......a lady on TV was asked what she liked about the new President, and she said she thought he was a hunk.........(true story....I did NOT make this up!!)
Shosh, who had the chemo....someone in your family? I think ANYTHING should be made available to people that are suffering....
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Borillar
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posted on March 8, 2001 01:40:14 AM new
I am for the legalization of Marijuana. I smoked it when I was a teenager - for about three years. Then a stint in the millitary woke me up and made me fly straight - God Bless'm! But I lost some short-term memory capablilty that I've had to retrain myself to be able to remember things. there's always a price to pay.
Let's have a quick history lesson about a Nation on Drugs:
Late 19th century China: at that time, China was like Japan is today: an economic powerhouse. It had the largest trade imbalances - in their favor, also like Japan. And like America today, Great Britan was the coutry most indebted to China. The Chinese would not budge on trade negociations -- what to do?
The then Inteligence agency for England came up with the idea of introducing Heroin to China. Although grown just south of the mountains as it is today, it was used mainly as medicine for painkillers and other ailments.
The British didn't just start to import Heroin: they arranged to have some of China's most respected intellectuals and Important Folk try the stuff and have them publically proclaim what wonderful stuff Heroin was! It made you smarter, more beautiful, more talented, and eased your day (much like they tell youngsters in America today!)
The end effect was that China as a nation, was "hooked" on heroin. Within 20 years of its widespeard use, China went from being the world's largest creditor nation to the world's largest debtor nation. The country was strung out on Heroin and and all of China's wealth slipped rapidly from the hands of the Chinese to the suppliers: namely the British.
Eventually, even the Chinese Empirial Dynasty - ten thousand years old, crumpled under the weight of Heroin, the coutry was in a shambles, revolution was taking hold everywhere.
It was Moa Se'Dong that lead the way to what is now called: The Chinese Solution. The Chinese Solution went like this: the communist troops decended rapidly upon a village or city. Troops went everywhere rounding up both sellers of Heroin and other harmful drugs and all of its users in the area. These people were then made to kneel down by the side of the road while a pistolman went down either side and put a bullet into each kneeling one's head. Within a few months: end of all drug problems in China.
Now, I don't suggest that we do the same thing. But really, unless we do the same thing, we are wasting our money on a war that can't be won without some violence.
Hope you liked that lesson.
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bobbysoxer
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posted on March 8, 2001 02:09:28 AM new
Thanks Borillar
Personally I think the war on drugs is not worth it, however "what would happen if they/we pulled the plug on the effort?" What do ya'll think?
Me..."I don't know"
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RB
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posted on March 8, 2001 07:48:05 AM new
Did anyone phone for the pizza yet?
I'd like to order 5 dozen packages of Oero cookies and 6 bags of barbecue potato chips for a "study" I need to do ....
[damn, when is this stupid light gonna change ...]
[ edited by RB on Mar 8, 2001 07:48 AM ]
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on March 8, 2001 08:35:57 AM new
"what would happen if they/we pulled the plug on the effort?"
Considering that we are currently spending... what? $50 billion per year? for the War on Drugs, I'd suspect a complete cut-off would be a vivid demonstration of the effects of addiction on those who are the recipients of these funds.
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Shoshanah
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posted on March 8, 2001 10:28:07 AM new
kraftdinner...Hi, friend
In answer to your question: it was me. Kaiser Hospital used to send potentially terminal cancer cases to a psychiatrist to evaluate how they are coping. He told me to toke-up...and did everything BUT actually WRITE DOWN the address, to make sure I would find out where to go for some ... Then, I was finally able to eat again....none too soon.
As to bush...a HUNK????? Very true: a hunk of S&#$*^%.... but that's a "nother" story....
********
Gosh Shosh!
About Me
[ edited by Shoshanah on Mar 8, 2001 10:29 AM ]
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thermionic
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posted on March 8, 2001 01:56:27 PM new
If you can kill a cow and eat it, you can roll a plant and smoke it.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on March 8, 2001 02:15:29 PM new
I've never heard it put as well as that before.
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kraftdinner
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posted on March 9, 2001 01:44:40 PM new
bobby & mrpotato....I was thinking about what you said.....what if they just stopped drug enforcement (pot) altogether....
Personally, I don't think much would change people-wise, but the whole drug economy thing would sure do a 180, and the jails wouldn't be full of silly marijuana criminals.
The government seems to think everyone would wind up in the gutter, living on welfare & begging for change for snacks. Wouldn't it be the other way around?? Wouldn't everyone be richer because you'd be able to grow it, or buy it cheap? (thus affording you WAY more money for snacks ).
Really, drugs are something you take to feel better - ANY drug, including marijuana. If there are so many people out there who smoke it, then there's alot of people who want to feel better than they do. This seems to be the real crime. What's wrong with wanting to feel better? As long as people realize ANYTHING done chronically will eventually hurt you, then I don't see a problem. (I'm only talking about pot, not "hard" drugs.)
Gee Shosh....that must've been a scarey period for you....I certainly hope that's all behind you now.....
RB - meaning "REAL BOGART".....I imagine everything's gone by now.....
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gravid
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posted on March 9, 2001 03:38:12 PM new
You want a government newly make up of people who don't approve of dancing to approve of us feeling good?
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