posted on May 16, 2001 09:08:07 PM new
Anyone get the email??? I couldn't open the page. Was wondering what the scoop is/was. Any replies appreciated. Thanks!~~D
posted on May 16, 2001 09:20:22 PM new
Not I, but if you can't open it, try hitting reply. It will come up fine in the reply message section. That happens to me alot and it's very frustrating.
posted on May 16, 2001 09:40:27 PM new
As usual, I'm not being very clear. I can't get the url to open for the page that has the flash presentation on it. First
co-op junk mail I've received in a while and was wondering what the scoop is. Not much in the e...just a url.
posted on May 17, 2001 05:48:03 AM new
Sorry then I don't know what to tell you. Wondering if you need a program to open Flash. I think you might.
Jamie, your site is interesting, but all the ebay bashing in your guest book is (put your own words here).
When do you think you're going to get the auction end of it off the ground? Sounds like you need cash investors; hopefully those that bashed ebay in your guestbook will fork over some of theirs.
posted on May 17, 2001 03:42:42 PM new
MTNMAMA: Hi, um, we don't ebay bash. We have no control over what people sign in our guest book however. We're a pretty friendly group when you get down to it.
There are though many users that are very frustrated with many sites. We at Auctionpie have no control over that though.
Did you sign the book?
Yes, things are very busy and we will be having a big press release to kick off our membership drive pretty soon.
posted on May 18, 2001 05:18:39 AM new
No I didn't sign the guestbook.
I honestly don't even understand what you're doing. It looked to me as if you were soliciting for members and money to open a new auction site. I think at this point, there are too many little sites out there to make another one really work.
posted on May 18, 2001 05:20:39 AM new
Instead of the polls requiring a post on a message board you CAN get a free poll that will result in percentages and bar graphs of the results. It can be configured to count 1 vote from each IP.
posted on May 27, 2001 10:12:45 PM new
I went to AuctionPie and couldn't find any sign of life. They were mentioned by Krause but there is no activity at all in their forums. Jamie's Membership Drive thread had zero page views after two weeks. Is the co-op the best kept secret on the Internet? Or is it dead in the water?
Jamie and I have had considerable differences, but I do wish AuctionPie success. I know Jamie mentioned a membership drive, but how far along are they in the planning/organization stage?
posted on May 28, 2001 06:42:47 AM new
There's plenty of life on Auctionpie. All you have to do is look and like Twinsoft mentioned "Jamie and I have had considerable differences, " I am not surprised by his hack here.
We're a very open group. If you have any questions or want to know about us all you have to do is email or drop in.
We still hope at one point for AW to discuss AP so that we can feel more comfortable posting here.
posted on May 28, 2001 12:00:49 PM new
I would not be involved in ANY venture that is "Run" or "organized" by Jamie.
He is very unorthodox in his ways, and prefers to "strongarm" people, such as
"Boycotting" AuctionWatch, because they would not allow him to run roughshod
over their boards with his continual spamming for this so-called co-op.
I beleive that a co-op is needed badly, but one organized by Jamie can only be
doomed from the outset, and I would certainly not send my hard earned cash to him.
I am not insulting Jamie the person, just Jamie the "organizer".
Most of you know me... take it for what it's worth.
posted on May 28, 2001 12:20:39 PM new
Jamie, it wasn't intended as a hack. I've been to AuctionPie twice recently looking for any information on your progress. I found your Membership Drive thread, posted two weeks ago, and it didn't have a single page view. I was the first person to even look at the thread in the two weeks since it's been posted.
I am interested in a co-op and I don't care who organizes it. But since you won't discuss it here, and there is no news on your site, I am simply curious about your progress.
Bandying insults back and forth is in no one's interest and I would like to publicly apologize for my part. I hope we can all get beyond this, including your anger at AW for limiting your posts. AW should be an ally of the co-op, and taking an antagonistic stand will not help what we hope will benefit thousands of auction sellers.
AW has allowed you to post co-op info in this forum and I hope you use it to keep us informed of the co-op's progress.
Just a reminder that we can't discuss other issues that may be happening on other boards - and of course you are welcome to discuss any other Auction site or service as long as it is in a non-promotional manner.
posted on May 28, 2001 01:55:16 PM new
Just To make things Clear there is no one from AuctionPie Looking Or asking for money or funds at this time.
And No one sending out spam or coop notices randomly All Imformation sent out on the Progress of this effort is done through A opt in news letter you must sign up for on the website.
IF you get any email from any one claiming to be organizeing a co-op who is asking for any type of funding I would look into it very close before doing so.
Any and All funds that Have gone in to AuctionPie and its services Jamie has paid for him self.
As far as the guest book Its free for anyone to sign it is not moderated. as well as the message board.
I am not the organizer of the group but I am the person doing the editing of the auctionpie site I know what is on the site there is no Fund raiseing efforts on the Site.
There is also No one asking for donation or funds in our news letter. If anyone receives any Email with auctionpies name on it that you didnt subcribe to delete it and notify jamie.
There is also no fund raiseing effort on the message board just a there are discussion of what the cost of membership should be but no one ask for money.
The membership drive wont be for another two or three weeks already I am told there is over 300 interest in membership in AuctionPie.
I am told that when membership reaches 500 or 600 register users willing to pay a membership fee, the auctionpie auction site should come hopefully 3 to 6 month after it has that much backing or more.
I am help AuctionPie with Free services by editing and updateing the website all I ask is that you have you facts straight before makeing statements like all seem to be getting done is asking for money.
all are services to user are free paid for by Jamie.
posted on May 29, 2001 04:32:47 AM new
CLARIFICATION
Hi Folks,
Yes, I and many others have been frustrated with Auctionwatch and have sent emails and taken other action to show our feelings.
However when I post here I do try and adhere to the rules of the day whatever they are.
I am not here to fight with anyone. I am not interested in fighting or argueing with anyone either.
I'm sure there are better places for that sort of thing.
I am also not here to spam. I have helped start a movement to create a safe and stable enviorment for online sellers of which I am one myself.
Nobody forces any of you to particpate in this any more than Ebay or any other company or group can force you.
If I am Unorthodox or different simply don't bother with myself or Auctionpie. It's very simple.
Hopefully AW will clarify what and where I can say here on the boards because frankly I'm tired of seeing threads with Blue Moderation. It disturbs everyone's conversation.
There are some important issues to talk about that can help all of the auction community. I think our group and myself have a bit to offer and are happy to discuss them here on Auctionwatch.
posted on May 29, 2001 06:43:53 AM new
Hello canvid13,
As I posted above, you can discuss Auctionpie as long as it is in a non-promotional manner, for further clarification I suggest you review our Community Guidelines.
Also, if you have a comment about moderation, please email [email protected]
posted on May 29, 2001 12:45:04 PM new
Thanks, Jamie. I would like to see more information here regarding the co-op. No doubt AP and AW have started off on the wrong foot, but let's let bygones be bygones, put personalities aside, and remember the goal will benefit thousands of auction sellers.
Since we began discussing a co-op, back when all the new fees were introduced across the board, things have not gotten better at eBay. And judging from the buzz, things will only get worse for the little guy. We all need to pull together and keep moving forward on this.
I'd appreciate an occasional update on the co-op's progress, as long as it is within AW guidelines. I'm still interested in discussing the co-op and perhaps we can share some ideas.
posted on May 29, 2001 01:25:39 PM new
Thanks Sara.
Twinsoft & Others. Anyone can check us out. To be kept abreast of what's new you have to get our newsletter and/or show up for live chats.
For reasons Sara and others at AW have mentioned, and for the fact at this point I'm not even sure about the line between information and spam, (are you listening AW??!!) this is not the place to discuss some of what you've asked Steve.
Also, I and all of us have an open door; but the minute any hacks or negativity start we shut it as time is very valuable.
That doesn't mean we always agree with each other, far from that. We just don't put up with any form of juvenile negativity when it comes to this serious undertaking.
posted on May 29, 2001 02:06:29 PM new
Jamie, I totally agree with you about juvenile negativity. I only wish others realized the importance of a co-op to the future of online auctions.
I understand your need for secrecy. Unfortunately, two hours of live chat during the weekend when I'm enjoying my family doesn't work for me. I appreciate you posting what you can, and I'm glad to hear you are moving forward.
I'd still like to see some public discussion of a co-op, like we had before. Since it appears you're talking about several months to a year down the road, I think there's still plenty of room for folks to air their ideas. I don't plan to get in your way. Hopefully we can all go about our business without trying to blow each other out of the water.
posted on May 29, 2001 03:08:12 PM new
Steve we also have a messageboard and folks have been known to call or email for info.
It's about action more than about secrecy. It's also about the end result which is our prime focus at Auctionpie.
Everything is pretty much in the open over here. That's why we do have the open door and I'm sure over the next few months if you really wanted too, if it was really that important, you'd be able to find some time to attend a live chat?
Again, our Newsletter always has our current updates in activity and news. We really try to make sure that the public isn't misinformed about our activities.
posted on May 29, 2001 06:35:43 PM new
Jamie, thank you for providing that info. I don't want to grill you any further. If you're not comfortable posting here, I respect that. 'Just glad to hear things are moving along nicely.
posted on May 30, 2001 12:18:46 PM newCode, I don't think that's a fair observation or an accurate one either. It has been several months since AuctionPie began its work and I support them although I do not see myself working with that group.
I have seen among some AuctionPie supporters (and I do not include Jamie among that group) the attitude that AP has exclusive rights to the formation of a sellers co-op. Add to that their desire for secrecy and recent public attacks on AuctionWatch, and that is why there is no visible support. That is my opinion; I know others will disagree.
Just because AP has a problem with AuctionWatch, is no reason that all public discussion should cease. AP does not speak for the auction community. There are many who would be supporters, but have not joined in because personality issues keep coming to the foreground. As ToyRanch suggested months ago, we need to wait until the smoke clears, and then start picking up the pieces again.
I have never seen myself as an organizer. A coordinator at most. The terms "organizer" and "leader" have been most often used as criticisms by people who themselves are not willing to put in any effort. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize. In my opinion, everyone is doing what they can. That is the nature of a co-op. It is only a matter of time before a co-op forms. Even commercial auction houses, like RubyLane and Golds, have expressed interest and support, as have The Auction Guild, AuctionUsers.org and Million Auction March.
I would like to see discussion continue, because honestly I don't know when or if AuctionPie will ever materialize. It may be a year or more before there is even any indication of its success or failure, and so I think it would be wise to work from several "ends" and hopefully meet in the middle.
AuctionPie's fervent supporters need to remember that they do not own exclusive rights to an auction sellers co-op. Repeated spamming of the boards and attacks on other discussions are not in anyone's interest, including AP.
posted on May 30, 2001 03:18:27 PM new
Thats Right AuctionPie does Not speak for the Auction comunity It is how how ever Speaking to the Auction comunity and is asking advice and listening.
codasaurus
AuctionPie is not still Trying to figure out what people want, It has a very clear picture of what is needed and what people are looking for and want.
The coop Auction site is a site For the people by the people,Though I wont lie to you no under takeing of this type and size can be 100% democratically ran it is still not a multi billion dollar corp just out for more money AuctionPie is not being built on greed and is not just out to get a piece of the $$ ebay is sucking in.
it will be a auction site on the side of the sellers and working with the auction comunity not feeing it out of online auction world.
How is it you supose a world wide Comunity can run an Auction site if the questions arent asked of the comunity.
soon When the Site is up and running the only USers in the comunity who will get a say or a vote will be people paying A member ship fees.
for now anyone in the comunity has a chance to put in there .02 cents worth.
And we all thank you for your opinion be it negitive or positive.
AuctionPie is no secert it has two message Boards on the internet free for all to read and post on A java based chat room open to all , a public news letter anyone can subscribe to and a website on the internet and if there is still any confusion or doubt Jamie make his phone number avalable to all.
Pocono
AuctionPie is far From a bad joke Right now the bad joke on the Internet Are the user of Ebay all being take to the cleaner with there new limititations & policys for incressed fees.
Thats Right you pay more and get less and ebay thinks they have a right to a percentage of every $ you every make on the net once you register to use there site.
I thought another voice should be heard from. It has been 4 1/2 months since the idea of a cooperative site was seriously considered.It is a good enough idea that the Vintage Marketplace Cooperative and others are still working to bring it to a legal, corporate reality.Thousands of hours by dozens of people have been put into the idea of online cooperatives.
If 4 1/2 months ago someone had explained that I would have to know about everything from mirror sites to lawyers specializing in cooperatives to special tax designations for cooperatives- I may not have continued. But with super volunteers the help of people like the NCBA we perservere and are seeing the bright light at the end of the tunnel.
All of this to-do about cooperatives isn't about personalities- it is about self-rule and self-ownership and profit.Profit is the bottom line.It won't come overnite- but with work and effort--and lots of advertising--it will come.
Choose a general auction cooperative or a full service, niche cooperative.Choose the right to have a say. Cooperatives work!
posted on May 30, 2001 11:34:39 PM new
Hi, Cathy. Thanks for that. Congratulations on Vintage Marketplace, I took a look around and it looks great! That is so encouraging, I only wish I sold antiques or collectibles. You deserve a big pat on the back.
posted on May 31, 2001 04:25:31 AM new
See folks, this is what I was talking about way back when. It's not about chest beating and dimwits who have nothing better to do than post juvenile attacks.
It's about a lot of people enpowering themselves along the path they feel will work for them and the people who share their ideals.
Whether there are one or six seller driven sites the fact is that at least some of us aren't sitting there sqawking, paying the extra fees and going along with things until we dissappear!
Dman made a very good point. The reason there's so little news and posts about Auctionpie or any other group here on Auctionwatch is because of the way that AW has decided to deal with the seller driven site issue.
They started out very supportive, we had several lively (and at times boisterous!) threads running all over and then we were pushed into this seldom used section. They even had Ed Ritchie do a great story on us.
Then our posts were being deleted and we were given banal emails about seller sites being promotional.
I'm glad that Auctionwatch is allowing this thread to exist. I'd like it even better if we saw some new blood in this thread as so far we're seeing mostly the same old people with the same old opinions (and yes, that includes me!)
I know at AP we have over 400 on our mailing list. I'm sure Cathy has a bunch too. I'd love to see more of them post here and I think it perhaps would open AW's eyes to the fact that our members are their customers as well and should have a spot here on AW without having to jump through hoops or be hassled??
posted on May 31, 2001 08:39:23 AM new
My observations were not directed at AuctionPie specifically and had nothing to do with any dispute AP and AW might have.
I did go over to AP before posting to this thread and I see that just about every page there has the question of the day posted on it.
That being the case, how can anyone criticize my observation as unfair or inaccurate that the co-op movement (in the form of AP) is not still in the throes of trying to figure out what its potential membership actually wants?
I posted months ago of my belief that co-op auction sites would have to specialize. Find a niche and draw in the sellers who specialized in that niche. Thereby drawing the buyers.
An everything to everybody generalized co-op such as some of the co-op organizers envision ain't gonna happen. There is no reasonable way for such a site to get off the ground and to achieve enough volume and variety of items to attract the bidders.
Those bidders are going to stick with the sites that already have the big volume and variety.
Another fatal flaw of the co-op idea as it seems to be envisioned by some of the folks who are attempting to organize an auction co-op is that the co-op needs only to benefit the sellers. Unless the co-op provides real benefits to the buyers, it hasn't a chance of succeeding.
posted on May 31, 2001 10:39:33 AM new
Tinsoft- Thanks- it has been a loooong uphill climb. That site will be seeing a major overhaul over the weekend-so stop back.We are still lining up all of our ducks!
Code- I am very interested in hearing about:
"Unless the co-op provides real benefits to the buyers, it hasn't a chance of succeeding."
You have been following this thing from the beginning. What would real benefits be? We are working to provide a safe place for Buyers to make purchases of vintage items and have some other ideas on the back burner- but I would love to hear from you or any other buyer about what they would want from a site. We have had surveys and surprisingly 20% of people who answered are Buyers Only. So, we have real interest being shown by Buyers.They are not a forgotten group.
