kraftdinner
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posted on May 7, 2001 04:17:36 PM new
This is such a strange story. Has anyone else been following it?
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Actors-Wife-Killed.html?searchpv=aponline
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MaddieNicks
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posted on May 7, 2001 05:49:08 PM new
Yeah, I saw it the day after it happened on the crime links. I dunno...always liked Robert Blake, but something feels hinky. 'Course, I'm a suspicious type anyway. I hope I'm wrong.
Kris
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Muriel
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posted on May 7, 2001 05:53:51 PM new
I'm right behind you, Kris. 
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MaddieNicks
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posted on May 7, 2001 05:58:39 PM new
Muriel - I guess what makes me wonder is because they had dinner, then went to the car. Then he goes back inside because he forgot something, comes right back and she's shot? I haven't checked the crime links for the last couple of days...I'll go see if there is anything new on this. If there is, I'll post it.
I don't want Baretta to have offed his wife. 
Kris
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 7, 2001 05:59:32 PM new
Hi Maddie & Muriel!! 
I sure hope you're wrong but I get a weird sense about this one. Kind of like that feeling when I watched Susan Smith crying on TV.......
If his story is true, it sounds like the perfect alibi.
I'm not trying to pre-judge the guy, just trying to figure out what happened in case any of you think I'm being mean.
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MaddieNicks
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posted on May 7, 2001 06:11:32 PM new
kraftdinner - I'm with you. I want to be wrong, but it just doesn't sound right to me.
Here are some of the more recent links.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/05/07/blake.wife.02/index.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/05/07/MN217880.DTL
BTW, another article I found states that he has been released from the hospital.
Police say he isn't a suspect, but they said that about OJ too, didn't they? From the looks of things, there is an effort underway to pin this on her rather shady past. Supposedly, this person from her past just happened to come upon her alone in the car outside that restaurant because her husband just happened to leave his gun inside the restaurant? Hmmm.
Hard to say what's up with this one, but it will be interesting to watch.
Kris
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gravid
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posted on May 7, 2001 07:03:24 PM new
On the news they said it is a favorite stop for them - like twice a week. If you are being stalked it is pretty stupid to keep up a routine like that.
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spazmodeus
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posted on May 7, 2001 07:06:56 PM new
This one smells real bad.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time ...
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ubiedaman
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posted on May 7, 2001 08:13:54 PM new
Hmmmmm....went back into the restaurant to retrieve his GUN? How do you misplace/forget a weapon?...and the folks in the restaurant didn't see him get ANYTHING...
Over the weekend, Vitello's co-owner Joe Restivo said Blake appeared to have retrieved nothing. Restivo said Blake looked flustered, drank two glasses of water and left.
The cockatoo told him to do it!!! (What was that bird's name ?? Fred??? )
Keith
I assume full responsibility for my actions, except
the ones that are someone else's fault.
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gravid
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posted on May 7, 2001 08:32:09 PM new
I can see that if he had left the gun say on the seat of a booth he would be embarrassed to announce to the world that he was such a dip he left his piece laying behind. He would have had to got back pretty fast before the clean up discovered it. I have done the same with my car keys but when I have carried it stayed on me. I would suspect if that is true he does not have a good holster and can not sit and get up comfortably without removing it.
I always carried in the small of my back even for as big a gun as a military .45 and two clips inside my waistband on the left.
He could have gone back inside knowing someone would be waiting for that even if he was not the shooter.
[ edited by gravid on May 7, 2001 08:36 PM ]
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 7, 2001 08:42:30 PM new
When I watched the Susan Smith story on A&E, the police on the case said it was a tactic they used - making Susan think they didn't suspect her at all, and not ever saying she was a suspect. It'll be interesting to see how long they go without ever calling Robert Blake a suspect (naturally, only if he really is). Actually, isn't EVERYONE considered a suspect until proven not, in a murder?
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jlpiece
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:23:06 PM new
Police always say their suspects either aren't a suspect, or that everybody is a suspect. Blake either killed his wife, or had her killed. I just hope we don't get another slow speed police chase in the next week or two.
[ edited by jlpiece on May 7, 2001 11:24 PM ]
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spazmodeus
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posted on May 8, 2001 12:01:47 AM new
Maybe when Blake left the restroom and exited the restaurant he truly believed he had the gun in his pocket, but in reality was just happy to see someone.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 8, 2001 10:08:35 AM new
jlp - It sure seems like that. Wouldn't he have powder residue on his fingers if he shot her himself? Dumb question.......does powder residue go through gloves?? Anyone know? Could he have come back into the restaurant to flush something?
spaz -  . I forgot too that he was the guy that said that "can't do the time" phrase on TV. Hope this case doesn't turn into one of those ironic deals.
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ypayretail
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posted on May 8, 2001 11:00:47 AM new
Before you start pinning this on Blake take a look at her past.
She is a woman who claimed over and over to be married to and or sleeping with celebrities - have you seen her picture - you know it isn't true.
His gun was purchased and worn because she has had numerous death threats - so yes, following the same routine was stupid.
He married her because she turned up pregnant with his baby. So I guess she did 'do' at least one celeb. She appears to be a wacko of sorts and was well known as such with the PD. She ran scams etc prior to marrying Blake.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 8, 2001 11:10:07 AM new
ypayretail - just playing amatuer detective....
Yes, it sounds like her past was "shady", but it seems like this is what Blake's lawyer has come up with. Her ex-husband says she wasn't like they're portraying in the media.
It's always the same question in these cases - who has the most to gain by having her killed?
Another question....does the police think it may have been a drive-by, or have they ruled that out?
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gravid
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posted on May 8, 2001 12:06:43 PM new
If you were wearing surgical gloves they would stop the powder residue - but then you have to dispose of them. A revolver throws a lot more unburned powder and metal dust than an auto loader. It would be easy to tell if the weapon had been fired recently - but he could know that and have been to the range say last night. It is also usually possible to match a bullet to the rifling of the barrel unless it is so high powered a gun the bullet fragments or distorts so completely there are no grooves left. You could aquire a second weapon and use it to keep your legal weapon pristine.
The state of marksmanship is such that a drive by shooting is unlikely. It is so uncommon for a person to be able to do a head shot from more than about 3 feet away that cops really freak when they know someone they are after is that kind of shooter.
Very very few people can do a head shot from further than about 150 feet without a special weapon with optical sights. Past 300 foot you better have rifle and from about 600 foot out to a half mile+ you better have a special rifle with handloaded ammo and a lot of training about external ballistics and reading wind.
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MaddieNicks
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posted on May 8, 2001 12:08:31 PM new
The tabloids are gonna be in heaven next week with this one.
Autopsy of Blake's Wife Sealed - LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20010508/t000038781.html
"Blake told police about the man after Bakley's shooting. " Uh-huh. "Blake went through a gunpowder residue test that
evening at the LAPD's North Hollywood Division. He said police found no residue. Police declined to comment."
I'd like to know what evidence they found in their search of the scene...the article says they did take some items from a trench near a house under construction. ???
And how reliable is the NY Post? Is that the NY trashy paper, or is the trashy one the Daily News? I can't remember, but I thought this was interesting:
Actor Threatened Wife Her Brother Says - NY Post
http://www.newyorkpost.com/news/nationalnews/30082.htm
ypayretail - no doubt she had a shady past! That fact tho doesn't make the story Blake is selling any easier to swallow. We're a cynical bunch, I guess...I hope he didn't do it. I hope it was some mystery stalker past victim guy looking for revenge rather than her husband. In the meantime, like kraftdinner said, we are just pondering here.
kraftdinner - this wound was described as a "massive head wound"...nothing was said about any damage to the car or surrounding property. If it was drive by, they had one hell of an aim.
Kris
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 8, 2001 12:31:40 PM new
gravid - thanks for your informative post!!!. So if, like Maddie's saying, she had a massive head wound, what could cause that and how many feet would the gun have been away from her head? (Not that you'd know for sure gravid, but I'm just wondering what you think?)
Thanks for the links Maddie....I'm off to them now.
spelling errors
[ edited by kraftdinner on May 8, 2001 12:35 PM ]
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gravid
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posted on May 8, 2001 12:42:14 PM new
To fit the description of massive it would have to be a high power 9mm or .38 caliber (.357) in a hand gun or a rifle. A .22/.25 /.32 caliber hand gun will make a neat hole even at 6 inches with a powder burn around the wound and often will not even exit the other side of the skull. When you get into a .38 caliber weapon the wound may be through and if the bullet was soft and or flat nosed (wadcutter) or so close the muzzle gasses contribute to the wound then you start to get a big exit wound. When you get into a .357 or 10 mm or a .44 caliber weapon it gets really ugly and the shock wave puts so much energy into the tissue outside the wound channel that survival in unlikely in any head wound.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 8, 2001 01:34:20 PM new
You sure are knowledgeable on this subject gravid....thanks!!
(oh, and I take back what I said "not that you'd know for sure." )
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krs
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posted on May 8, 2001 01:47:42 PM new
Oh, headshots are a piece of cake. Good shooters do pupils.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 8, 2001 02:01:55 PM new
That's a great example krs! So seeing that the picture is of an entrance shot, would the exit be destuctive enough to be called a massive wound?
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krs
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posted on May 8, 2001 02:17:59 PM new
Yes.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 8, 2001 02:33:40 PM new
So krs, a shot from up close would net a small entrance and exit? as compared to a shot from, maybe that blue container away, would show a small entrance and a large exit?
Also, when they say massive head wound, could they be talking about internal damage as compared to the external wound?
(Sorry for all the questions! )
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krs
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posted on May 8, 2001 03:40:30 PM new
Why ask?
It's much as gravid said except a small high velocity bullet will disintegrate and tumble causing a massive exit wound if you call it that. Some would explode the head like a melon by gallager.
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gravid
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posted on May 8, 2001 05:55:26 PM new
Makes you wonder about people who know what that is going to do to a person. I would have a real hard time doing that to someone unless I felt they were downright evil and a continuing threat.
That's why the Ruby Ridge thing was so awful - to authorize that on unarmed people and say it is within their discretion to shoot a woman in the head standing in her house with her child in her arms. Judged and executed by executive order.
When they come on your property shooting do they really expect you to stand there and wait to see if they have a warrant after you see your dog shot? It would seem a reasonable expectation after they open fire that the opportunity to talk has passed.
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KatyD
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posted on May 8, 2001 07:01:09 PM new
Oh for heaven's sake, gravid. We're not talking about Ruby Ridge. We're talking about Robert Blake's murdered wife! Now pay attention or the moderator is gonna slap your knuckles with a big ole yardstick for going off topic.
Now... where were we?
KatyD
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zoomin
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posted on May 8, 2001 07:20:59 PM new
I was over in the corner giggling at spaz.
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gravid
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posted on May 8, 2001 07:33:51 PM new
You're right I am free associating again.
Hands held out - go get your ruler...
Gee hope he didn't do it....
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