spazmodeus
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:19:58 PM new
I agree with gravid. Let's say the Ramseys didn't commit the specific act of murdering her (but I still believe they were directly involved). They still chummed the waters that drew the shark.
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UpInTheHills
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:34:27 PM new
I don't really want to defend the Ramsey's, but the pageant circuit is exactly how Patsy was raised. Perhaps she didn't see anything wrong with it.
I agree with you though. I think the whole kiddie pageant deal is twisted and they did set her up for the sickos of the world.
Pretty sad.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:37:23 PM new
So, in order to get rid of all the sick-o's in the world, little girls shouldn't enter beauty pageants? Although I'm not fussy on the idea of these kids all dressed up like grown-ups, I don't think that right should be taken away from people that enjoy it. If everything is looked at as being sexual in content/concept, then pretty soon, kids period, won't be able to leave the house.
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mtnmama
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:39:48 PM new
Anyone read the book put out by one of the newspaper people? It had the full investigation. There is a lot more than meets the public eye. If you read the book, there are three suspects that have never been charged.
One is daddy, one is sick mommy and the other is a neighbor (or uncle or whatever they called him) who used to change her underpanties for her! Now, talk about perverted. She was old enough to change them herself! What was he doing changing them for her?
In the book there is a description by the older daughter about sex clubs that mommy and daddy held in the house while she was growing up. The children of all the adults were forced to participate.
Read this book and tell me you still think they're innocent. You'll have your eyes opened really quick.
I think the name is just Jon Benet Ramsey. It's been awhile since I've read it, but it can be purchased at stores that sell paperbacks.
Yech, this is making me ill. I'd rather speculate on the Blakes than this poor kid.
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UpInTheHills
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posted on May 9, 2001 08:57:51 PM new
kraft, I would never want to pass laws banning pageants or anything of the sort. That wouldn't get rid of any of the miscreants anyway. They would just find another venue. You can't legislate morality.
BOT: I too agree that Blake's lawyer "doth protest too much." It will be interesting to find out the timeline of events that night. I know many here have said that they would never consider asking for water if their wife were shot. He may have been trying to calm down. He went into the hospital for high blood pressure didn't he? I have had a couple of occasions where my heart started racing uncontrollably and one of the things my Dr. tried was having me drink a bunch of water. (We also tried the mammalian dive reflex, it didn't work either!) Maybe?
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 9, 2001 09:12:24 PM new
Sorry UpInTheHills, my last comments were really for spaz & gravid. 
I agree with you about Robert Blake. He could be the most innocent person going, but I haven't heard one positive thing from this case yet. I really do hope it all turns out to be a case of terrible coincidences, but so far, nothing REPORTED has been favourable.
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UpInTheHills
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posted on May 9, 2001 09:16:38 PM new
Umm...uhh...then nevermind.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 9, 2001 09:46:15 PM new
UpInTheHills.....well,......OK.
mtnmama.....I heard there was a book out that was completely ludicrous, but I'm not sure if it's the same one you're talking about. I believe someone hid in their basement when they were having their Christmas party. I've never thought it was the parents. It's an awful story, isn't it?
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gravid
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posted on May 9, 2001 11:18:38 PM new
Maybe I have the timeline wrong but I thought he drank the water when he came in to supposedly recover his gun and before he went back out to find his wife shot.
I can imaigine him pausing and drinking some water as a nervous way of covering up the really embarrassing error of leaving his piece behind. If LA is like our area to get a permit to carry you need to be a politician/cop/or rich. You don't have to have any training or demonstrate ability. That training proviso is in a new law they just passed here and is being challenged.
I don't know any of those things about the Ranses in the book. I just saw a film of her at one of these contests grinding her hips and throwing her shoulders back like a chorus girl. That was all it took to turn me off.
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MaddieNicks
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posted on May 10, 2001 06:26:15 AM new
So I'm TRYING to be good...sitting here surfing with my right arm up in the air and using my left hand to navigate (which bites, BTW) and LOOKIE what I found!!!!!
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/blake010510.html
They conducted a second search at Blake's home last night. And he has NOT been ruled out as a suspect.
"Sources told ABCNEWS police were looking through financial records during the latest search. They say several recent cash withdrawals are unaccounted for." Oops.
They were also looking for Bonnie's diary. "However, sources told ABCNEWS they did not find that diary — and suspect it may already be in the hands of Blake's attorney, who said he would be turning over a piece of evidence later today."
Despite the lawyer's protestations, LAPD says they have not ruled out anyone as a potential suspect.
And here the lawyer starts showing true shades of OJ:
Braun said his client is very focused on the task at hand: vindication. "He knows in some ways that he will never be completely vindicated until a killer is apprehended and tried and convicted and so in that sense, he has his reputation at stake — knowing that if we don't find the killer, there'll always be a cloud over him," he said. The attorney also said eventually, the real killer will turn up. "I think someday we'll know who the real killer is, because usually the guy gets drunk at a bar somewhere, brags, does something, and there's no statute of limitations on murder, at least in California," he said.
Deja frickin VU.
Kris
[email protected]
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mtnmama
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posted on May 10, 2001 07:00:54 AM new
Kraftdinner
The parents told the police that they believed someone hid in the basement during their Christmas party, when in fact, no one except the father was down there during that time! It's a very factual book. As a matter of fact, the reporter was undercover most of the time and found out more than Ramsey would have liked him to find out.
The book is not ludicrous at all. I wish more people would read it. It tells why the chief investigator left the case among other things. As I said it's a real eye opener. I do believe that the Ramsey's will be found guilty one day. They'll be caught in their own trap. They may not have committed the actual crime, but if that's the case, they know who did and they're covering for that person. Personally, I believe Patsy did it. She's a very sick lady.
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gravid
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posted on May 10, 2001 07:07:57 AM new
Sudden insight!! The lawyer did it!!!
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cyanide
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posted on May 10, 2001 07:15:29 AM new
Thanks Kraft for that link. I have glasses I need for reading, maybe I should use them sometime.  LOL
On the timeline, what I've read in the articles sounds like he went in for the water before his wife was shot.
Blake said he went back in to retrieve his gun. The co owner then said that it looked like Blake came in to retrieve nothing. He had two glasses of water then left. Now we can speculate a couple things on this. One, nobody seen him get the gun and what Gravid mentioned to save some embarassment had a couple of glasses of water.(If your wife is being stalked though, would you leave her alone a couple more minutes just to save face?) Or nobody saw him coming in to get the gun and the water scene was after the fact.
Now more questions. I 've been to many places that buses the table when you basically walk out the door. Now I know some places are not that fast paced, but its something to think about.
Blake should get a new lawyer!! The lawyer was there when the police was gathering things at Blakes home and the lawyer was telling them what they should take!! Now come on! What would you think if you were a detective looking for clues? If you have nothing to hide then sit down and shut the hell up and let the detectives do there job.
In the last article linked here, there was a statement from Bonnie's lawyer with the paternity case and prenup agreement. Paternity case? hmmmmmmmm....
ok so Bonnies pregnant files a paternity lawsuit on Blake. DNA tests were done proving the child is Blakes. Blake then does the less costly thing, marries her.
This is not showing well on Blake's end. From what little they are telling us through the articles, it does show that Blake has a motive.
This case is getting interesting.
edited for spelling errors.
and grammer. AUGH I shouldn't type early in the morning.
cyanide3 on Ebay
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ypayretail
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posted on May 10, 2001 10:39:54 AM new
The Ramseys can be pure as the driven snow and adore the little girl like a god and still be some of the sickest people you ever met to treat her like they did like a pet poodle show dog.
Who is there that does not think the girl would be alive today they had not called her to the attention of some warped wierdo by posing her in adult and sexual clothing and scenes and actions completely inaappropriate to a child?
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Well said - You need to see the interviews with the lead investigator - who quit - he did not know the Ramseys and he was there from the beginning - the Ramseys know who did it or they did etc.
That is one sicko family for sure.
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As far as Blake - after reading everything I have no faith in either one. She was truly a wacko and he chose to get messed up with her. So he must be slightly off his ringer too - fair game here but his attorney sucks!!
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ypayretail
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posted on May 10, 2001 02:09:33 PM new
Dateline or one of those newsy shows is doing their whole show on this tonight. Both sides histories etc.
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MaddieNicks
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posted on May 10, 2001 02:18:59 PM new
Primetime Live...it's ABC.
Kris
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Hepburn
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posted on May 10, 2001 02:22:44 PM new
Methinks this will be another big case, like OJ's. Still smells to me. (Blake). The Ramsey case, I still think the parents are involved.
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KatyD
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posted on May 10, 2001 03:32:40 PM new
Well I hope Dominick Dunne is taking notes! LOL! Blake will not have "arrived" until Dunne writes a book about it.
KatyD
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spazmodeus
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posted on May 10, 2001 03:38:56 PM new
Dunne's one of my personal heroes.
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KatyD
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posted on May 10, 2001 04:10:33 PM new
Mine too, Spaz. I have every one of his books. I would think he's about due for another one. He hasn't written one since the one about the O.J. case, which was my least favorite, by the way. Did NOT like the ending at ALL. Although come to think of it...the "writer" was done in at the end of that one..hope it wasn't his way of telling us that he's through writing. 
KatyD
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gravid
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posted on May 10, 2001 04:37:06 PM new
On the NBC nightly news they finally intimated that RB IS a suspect. Big surprise.
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mybiddness
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posted on May 10, 2001 05:32:17 PM new
I've been hoping that he wasn't the killer... but, it's not looking so good right now. If he did do it I can't help but wonder if he thought he could pull it off because of his "experience" from the role he played.
I'm still hoping he didn't do it.
Not paranoid anywhere else but here!
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 10, 2001 08:04:45 PM new
I just watched Primetime. They only talked for 10 minutes about the case at the beginning of the show, in case you haven't seen it yet.
Nothing new, but they didn't paint the greatest picture of either of them. What really surprised me was that every question THEY asked were the same ones asked here by everyone. Are we good or what?
Blake claims he went back to the restaurant twice, once to look for his gun, then again to tell them she'd been shot. And his lawyer.....what a goof-ball. He uses the phrase "the real killer" too often. The police must just love this guy!
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cyanide
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posted on May 11, 2001 12:02:10 AM new
I also seen the Primetime program.
Whats up with Blake's eyebrows? does he shave them?
cyanide3 on Ebay
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gravid
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posted on May 11, 2001 04:45:02 PM new
I hate to think this - but if they do charge him now I can see him getting off because he was mis-represented by his attorney. Could they be smart enough to do that on purpose?
Yo - run out there and screw my defense up so bad that the court will never be able to get an untainted conviction. It would be diabolically devious.
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UpInTheHills
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posted on May 11, 2001 04:53:02 PM new
Wouldn't that severely damage a lawyers career? I doubt any lawyer would sacrifice himself for any client.
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gravid
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posted on May 11, 2001 07:20:46 PM new
Guess it would depend on how much of a career he had and how much money he was offered to save the guy's butt.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 11, 2001 09:43:37 PM new
cyanide - it was a face-lift & brow lift. You should have seen him when it was first done. They all look Vulcan right after surgery.
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MaddieNicks
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posted on May 12, 2001 03:06:55 PM new
Here's a piece on this lawyer...
http://www.latimes.com/communities/news/los_angeles_metro/20010512/t000039938.html
Kris
[email protected]
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gravid
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posted on May 12, 2001 11:51:13 PM new
From that link-
"He says he's just doing his job, letting
the public and the police know that plenty of other people maay have wanted Bakley dead.
?? That's what an attorney is for? I have to remember that next time I need one. I think I have been looking for the wrong skill set.
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