posted on May 10, 2001 09:55:33 AM
I dont believe I have ever seen this question asked here, so now Im asking. Does anyone believe aliens have visited here/will visit here, and/or the government is covering up past visits? What about Roswell and Area 51? Any truth to the stories? Better yet, have you ever seen a ship or bright light, etc?
I was listening to a radio show this morning on the way to the Post Office and they were discussing it, and something about CNN. I went to CNN's site and couldnt find anything pertaining to what they were discussing, but I got in on the tail end of the discussion so didnt hear alot.
posted on May 10, 2001 10:03:14 AM
At the risk of sounding really insane to everyone, yes I have seen them and yes I do believe they are here or are near.
CNN was supposed to have a story on last night but we must have missed it because in an hour of listening we never heard it. They're claiming a gov't cover-up, which people have been claiming for years.
I had three situations and my husband had one. His was a time loss deal while he was driving on a deserted road in Florida years and years ago. My situations occured, one in 1957, one in 1967 and one a couple of years ago when my kids were with me in the car.
Do I think there's a cover-up? Yes I do. Do I think they're friendly? No, I don't.
posted on May 10, 2001 10:14:50 AM
I dont think youre insane. Im leaning to where I dont think "they" are friendly either. No, I have never seen anything suspicious. Yes, I believe "they" are here and have been here.
The way Im thinking is, if there can be this world, why cant there be others?
[ edited by Hepburn on May 10, 2001 10:16 AM ]
posted on May 10, 2001 10:23:50 AM
About ten years ago my husband and I were coming home late at night (and we hadn't been drinking or smoking anything funny). We saw a very bright greenish light at about the height that an airplane would be but it just hovered, not moving. The next day I saw something in the Washington Post about an unidentified object in that area. We've always wondered what we saw - and we're both skeptics.
posted on May 10, 2001 10:39:10 AM
A relative on my wife's side swears he was picked up and examined by aliens. I remind my wife that one of HER relatives was picked up by aliens when there is an argument about idiot relatives. It never fails to shut her up, she regrets I learned of Billy Bob's abduction.
The laws of physics are a local phenomena so travel isn't likely, and once you travel to someplace light years away you aren't going to just buzz the place. My believe. We'll hear them before we see them. We have been sending prime numbers via radio waves for sometime, basically a universal message in a bottle saying "Hey! We're here and intelligent." Astronomers are listening for the same thing.
The basic problem with this theory is it's boring and doesn't sell many tabloids, but I subscribe to it.
posted on May 10, 2001 10:41:25 AM
I'm very skeptical, but certainly don't know. I have had a couple of curious experiences. One, I lived in a canyon. Something with a loud engine flew down that canyon faster than anything that I am aware of could have.
The second I heard. We had a police/fire scanner. We had it on and kept hearing the various personnel who were out in their cars reporting blue lights in the sky. They were all pretty agitated. The reports were coming in from all over a very large County. Who knows.
My Mom grew up in Roswell. She lived there from 1941 - 1964. She never heard anything about aliens or spaceships until much later. She thinks that if something had happened there would have at least been rumors and speculation around town. I was born there as well, which explains a lot of things.
posted on May 10, 2001 11:18:41 AM
I'm an extreme skeptic when it comes to UFOs ... and yet every time I go outside at night, to take out the trash or whatever, I peer into the sky looking for something. I've been this way since I was a kid and I first heard about UFOs as a result of the famous 1970s Missigoula Mississippi encounter, which triggered a one-year flap of sightings nationwide.
As the poster in Fox Mulder's office says, I Want To Believe. But to this point I have seen nothing that affords me the luxury.
I believe many people have seen something in the skies. Of earthly origin? Of unearthly origin? No way of knowing. But probability suggests the former rather than the latter.
Whatever the truth is, I believe the government knows more than they are telling. I don't know why. Perhaps they are protecting covert operations of their own.
One of the most convincing sightings, in my opinion, occurred near an American military base in England, witnessed by trained soldiers and their commanding officers. It was featured on Unsolved Mysteries and has never been satisfactorily explained.
This subject interests me greatly, and I've accumulated a lot of knowledge about it due to years and years of reading, yet I always find myself reluctant to get into discussions of this type because I don't know which side to stand on. I find it very frustrating.
One facet of the UFO experience that interests me are the reported visits by the so-called Men In Black -- odd, strange-looking men who are said to have interviewed and threatened many UFO witnesses in the aftermath of sightings. Despite the humorous send-up these characters received in the movie "Men In Black," the people who have encountered them find the experience anything but funny.
posted on May 10, 2001 11:36:59 AM
I wouldn't call myself a sceptic - I just don't believe in UFO's (of the alien variety), or that we've been visited, etc. Even if we could overcome gravity, it's a physical impossiblity, IMO.
posted on May 10, 2001 11:51:44 AM
I have always been fascinated with these things, also. Like Big Foot. Wonder if there is such a thing? And Nessie, the Loch Ness Monster. Ghosts, vampires, etc.
posted on May 10, 2001 12:07:10 PM
Spaz, some time ago you posted a link to an online magazine that dealt with these things. Do you have it handy again?
posted on May 10, 2001 12:17:09 PM
You have been around awhile, Hepburn. And you read my mind. I was preparing to post the link when I saw your post.
The first one is for Strange Magazine. I believe their archived articles are still available for public viewing. However the magazine went totally online a few months ago and new issues can be viewed only via subscription (you pay, they give you a password). It's a great magazine, and well-written. Here's the link:
You have got to go to St. Augustine, Florida, the oldest city in the US and take the Ghost Walk. If you didn't believe before you went, you would believe about half way through.
Some TV show went there and spent a week. They said it was the most haunted city in the world!
As far as our experiences, okay, I'll tell
In 1957, something fell in our backyard in the middle of the night. (In NY) My mom called the police who called the military in. The object created a sheared off hole in the corner of the backyard about 100 feet or more deep. They recovered what they told my mother was a wing from an airplane. But, how could the plane fly without a wing? They told her not to talk to anyone about it, reporters, etc or they would know. We all kept mum until now.
Uh oh! LOL! Do you think they'll know?
The second incident some 10 years later involved me alone. I was living in a residential neighborhood in NY (the same house as above as a matter of fact) waiting for my sister to come out of the house to go to the mall. It was around 7 p.m., very quiet and just dark enough to have house lights on.
I looked across the street and hovering above my friend's garage was a saucer shaped object with very bright lights. I stared at it, afraid to move! It then took off at very high speed over my head and disappeared into the sky. I ran into the house and of course, no one believed me, but I wonder if it was related to the "accident" 10 years earlier?
Two years ago, (I live in GA now) my kids and I were driving home from the store and saw, in the middle school parking lot, a group of orange lights - about 15 lights across on three separate poles (so it looked to us). My son was driving and went into the parking lot (much to my distress) and the lights just rose up and disappeared! There were other cars that saw them as well, but no one said a word to the press.
The time loss my husband experienced back in the 70's, I didn't experience, so I can't tell you about it.
posted on May 10, 2001 01:09:58 PM
I sure was hoping we'd be visited by ebe's someday, but after watching xfiles for the last whatever years, I don't know.
If they're going to drill my teeth, ewwwwwww, stay away!
posted on May 10, 2001 01:13:23 PM
I have seen things on radar that I would almost swear perform outside the ability of any man made aircraft.
I am pretty current on technology and have had access to people who were cleared for pretty secret stuff in the aerospace industry. High performance aircraft that push the envelope of performance all have compromises. If it will go very fast it has has limited turning ability and stability and does so at limited altitudes. If it is capable of exreme manuvering it loses some speed ability. Range and performance are always trade offs.
Yet I saw aircraft on radar in the early seventies that could manuver sharply in low dense air and had a tremendous power to weight ratio to climb out vertically and sprint to mach 3 to 5. Once at speed they could sustain full speed for hundreds of miles and execute sharp changes of course.
They could also fly stable so high in air so thin that the path over which they crossed did not report a sonic boom.
That is assuming no technology exists to prevent the formation
or to cancel out the shock wave from a transonic body. Perhaps someone has learned to shape one so all the shock wave goes up away from the ground.
I don't think any country here, at this time, could have built them.
I also think that any craft displaying the abilities shown could probably have prevented a radar system from reading their reflection if they chose to.
posted on May 10, 2001 02:03:32 PM
I believe that there is life, and probably intelligent life, elsewhere.
When I was 11 or 12 years old, I saw a strange object in the sky. It was dark; I was in bed looking out the window, watching it rain. I was wide awake. Suddenly, in the woods behind my dad's workshop, which was about 75' from my window, a huge school bus sized, oval shaped object hovered upwards, went up to a height of maybe 200', and then reversed directions and started coming back down again. I was horrified. I "slammed" the curtains shut (Can you "slam" curtains? I did! he he), and laid there, big-eyed, heart pounding, sunk into the bed, hoping "they" wouldn't find me. The object was glowing with a yellowish-white light, so bright that I couldn't make out any details except that it did have some sort of spikes sticking out of it. It made no sound that I could hear.
I told my parents and several other people about it, but they dismissed it, saying that it was probably a dream (it wasn't - I was wide awake) or that it was some sort of ball lightning (as big as a school bus?). My father is the only person that believed me.
A few weeks later, I was playing in the woods, and ran across a weird blue and white "rock". It was splotchy, had shapes in it that reminded me of fossils, and appeared to be more of a dense plastic-like material than stone. One side of it looked like it was melted. I kept the "rock" for a long time, but don't know whatever happened to it. I don't know if it was related to what I saw, but it was laying in a place so obvious that I would have seen it before if it had been there. (I collected rocks when I was a kid, so I was always on the lookout for unusual ones.)
I don't know what I saw that night ... a ship of some sort, an unusual lightning phenomenon, or what. I've seen other strange lights in the sky since then, but nothing as strange as this.
In response to the other questions, yes, I believe the government is hiding information, and yes, I believe that other beings have visited Earth in the past and are probably still doing so today.
From the movie "Contact" ... if there isn't life on other planets, it sure "seems like an awful waste of space".
posted on May 10, 2001 02:11:42 PM
"Fire in the Sky" was based on a true story, and I find that movie interesting. How could so many people talk about abductions and describe what the "aliens" look like, be wrong? Another fascinating subject is people who swear they were born from another place and time, speak the language even though they have never been to that country, etc. Cant remember what its called.
posted on May 10, 2001 02:12:17 PM
I have vague suspicions, Hepburn, but when I really stop to think about it I get this overwhelming feeling of "what does it matter anyway?" It's not like you're trolling, starting fights or being a jerk or anything, you're just posting about stuff that interests you. Hepburn's okay by me, so if it's Hepburn you want to be, then as far as I'm concerned, that's who you are.
I too thought New Orleans was the most haunted city -- at least that's how it bills itself.
But getting back to the varieties of strange phenomena -- UFOs, Bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, etc. The cryptos (slang for cryptozoological creatures) have a little more credibility in my book because their presence isn't tied to any off-world source. If they exist, they are of this planet. That gives them at least one leg up on flying saucers.
Belief in such creatures, though, has taken a couple serious hits in recent years. The most famous photograph of the Loch Ness Monster and the famous film-footage purporting to show a female Bigfoot running from a cameraman have both been exposed as hoaxes.
Both these pieces of visual "evidence" fooled many experts and made many converts. Now we discover that the Loch Ness photo was created with the aid of a toy submarine and the Bigfoot film was produced by a couple of special effects guys and a stuntman back in the 60s (I think the story of the Bigfoot film footage can be found on the Strange Magazine site.)
posted on May 10, 2001 02:16:51 PM
Thanks spaz. I like being hepburn. I liked who I was, too. Put it this way, I am both, lol.
I get what youre saying, too, about cryptos versus "out of world". For example, megamouth. Huge prehistoric sharks. Other sea creatures thought to be extinct. The oceans are still uncharted, so who knows what is under there? Could be some megamouths, just swimming around down there. Or other weird creatures we have never heard of or seen except embedded in rocks millions of years old.
posted on May 10, 2001 02:42:30 PM
Giant Squid are an example of that.
There were so few samples recovered for a long long time that it was jsut barely credible that they existed.
posted on May 10, 2001 02:43:46 PM
I've heard of megamouth, but is megamouth the same as carcharodon megalodon, the hundred-foot shark of prehistoric times, the one whose fossilized teeth show up in phosphate pits down in South Carolina and wind up for sale on eBay and at flea markets?
I read an interesting book once about one man's search for carcharodon megalodon. The book had a generic title like "Shark Attack" (not sure if that was it) but I remember the author's name was Captain Brad Mathews or Matthews. The captain was a survivor of the Indianapolis sinking and made it his mission to kill one thousand sharks as revenge for the thousand men eaten by sharks after the Indianapolis sank, or something like that (I read this back in the '80s). So he traveled the South Seas killing sharks and stopping off at obscure Polynesian Islands where an evening of native festivities included a putting a human in a big tidal pool to do hand-to-hammer combat with hammerhead sharks. From these same bloodlusting natives he heard tales of a giant shark god that came to be fed once a year (reminded me a little of King Kong coming up to the giant palisade on Skull Island). Anyway, the book culminates with Matthews being on hand for the appearance of the shark god -- which he says was a living carcharodon megalodon. The natives slaughtered goats and pigs and brought them to the edge of a cliff where they pitched the dying animals into the deep surf so that the giant shark could chow on them. In the enthusiasm, some of the natives got pushed off the cliff too and they got eaten by the hundred-foot shark as well.
Now, do I believe this? LOL. But I'll tell you, it was a heck of an entertaining read. Maybe you can pick up a copy on half.com or somewhere. Sadly, the good captain isn't around anymore to question about the claims made in the book. A note at the end tells the reader that he drowned shortly before publication, just after killing his thousandth shark, while trying to rescue one of his nephews who had fallen overboard
posted on May 10, 2001 02:49:19 PM
Makes you wonder if some of these weird creatures are not truly extinct, but instead, are just malformed animals. Like the link above to the sea creatures, there is a pic of a megamouth, but is it REALLY one, or is it just a screwed up freaky big mouthed shark that was born that way?
[ edited by Hepburn on May 10, 2001 03:05 PM ]
posted on May 10, 2001 02:56:12 PM
Humanoid creatures who live on a planet, and who sends space craft into deep space, and who wear strange space suits, with large helmets?
posted on May 10, 2001 04:46:29 PM
Can't say about government cover-ups. But I do believe that there is life on other planets. And I believe that we probably have been visited--too many similar accounts from different parts of the world throughout history not to. It's silly to think that our planet is the only one in the universe to bear life. Would people from other worlds be similar to us? Perhaps, if they live on similar planets & breathe an oxygen/nitrogen atmosphere as we do--look at marsupials: they evolved to fill the same niches filled by placental mammals elsewhere & often have similar features & habits despite having no relation to animals living elsewhere.
posted on May 10, 2001 05:07:56 PM
I don't know about New Orleans, but I remembered the name of the TV show that claimed St. Augustine, Florida was the most haunted city. It was Sightings. They spent a week there. I recently saw one of the episodes taken in the old jail. Very, very scary! And to think I was in the same room as they were! I did feel colder air and it was in the heat of summer, but I thought it was because we were underground. But then again the rest of the underground parts were very hot.
The Ghost Walk is fun. Of course, they have story tellers dressed up in period costume and you take the walk at night, stopping at cemeteries, etc.
I love St. Augustine! Can't wait to go back.
Years ago, my husband and son used to hunt in South Florida. They came across some "stuff" they claimed looked plasma-like across and near some low lying bushes. They said it was really disgusting looking and had never seen anything like it before. They were afraid to disturb it and left it there. But they couldn't help but feel they were being watched! They've never seen anything like it again.
). We saw a very bright greenish light at about the height that an airplane would be but it just hovered, not moving. The next day I saw something in the Washington Post about an unidentified object in that area. We've always wondered what we saw - and we're both skeptics.
