mybiddness
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posted on May 10, 2001 05:22:23 PM new
My husband's theory is that only humans would be egotistical enough to believe that we're the only life in the universe...
I told him it's not my ego, it's my fear that won't let me believe in aliens. They may be here but I don't want to know about it. LOL
Not paranoid anywhere else but here!
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godzillatemple
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posted on May 10, 2001 06:02:07 PM new
I believe that there is probably life, even intelligent life, elsewhere in the universe. And I believe that many people have seen flying objects that they can't identify. But I don't happen to believe that the two phenomena are at all related. You see, I also happen to believe that interstellar travel is either outright impossible or at least so impractical as to make it ludicrous to think that aliens are buzzing around our planet on a daily basis.
Barry
DYGSP!
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 10, 2001 06:14:57 PM new
Of course I believe there are 'others' out there.
I don't believe the Roswell incident was a 'space ship' with aliens, there IS something going on there, but not that.
http://www.artbell.com
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Hepburn
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posted on May 10, 2001 06:15:59 PM new
OMG!!! Im going to post more of these threads if it gets Godzillatemple in here! Great to see you!!!!
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thedewey
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posted on May 10, 2001 07:57:46 PM new
You see, I also happen to believe that interstellar travel is either outright impossible or at least so impractical as to make it ludicrous to think that aliens are buzzing around our planet on a daily basis.
With our present technology, interstellar travel seems impossible, but maybe other beings have found ways to travel long distances through space ... or perhaps through time or through other dimensions?
I mean, what if humans are actually some of the lesser-intelligent forms of life that's out there? What if there are "super beings" whose intelligence makes humans look like monkeys?
It's fun to think about, anyway. And a little skeery, if you think about it TOO much! LOL! 
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Bunnicula
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posted on May 10, 2001 08:43:03 PM new
It wasn't so very long ago that things we take for granted today would have been thought impossible. Microwaves, computers, teflon, landing on the moon, lasers, etc. etc. etc. etc. When cars were invented one firmly held belief was that traveling faster than 25 miles per hour would be injurious to people. What is "impossible" changes with the years.
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Hepburn
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posted on May 10, 2001 09:08:15 PM new
The earth was thought to be flat at one time too.
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loosecannon
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posted on May 10, 2001 09:30:41 PM new
I want evidence in front of my face or I can't hardly believe it.
Oh, I sort of believe that strange craft have been seen flying through the sky, but I have a hard time believing it's aliens from another galaxy or whatever.
Hard evidence...where? There is none (that I know of) unless you count the supposed space craft parts and alien bodies from Roswell. Oh, but all of that has disappeared, right? Even the small shreads of metal "cloth" that was wadded up and then flattend back on it's own because bad government guys came around to threaten people and collect all scraps from the crash. We've got the supposed alien autopsy film too, and it looks very bogus to me.
I'm skeptical for sure. Show me something to change my mind.
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gravid
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posted on May 11, 2001 04:13:18 AM new
"When cars were invented one firmly held belief was that traveling faster than 25 miles per hour would be injurious to people."
Boy were they right - just not the way they thought. They did not foresee the crashes.
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SNowYegReT
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posted on May 11, 2001 05:08:17 AM new
We hae seen the Alien, and it is Us!
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010507/bacteria.html
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mtnmama
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posted on May 11, 2001 06:08:19 AM new
It's said by several that we humans are just experiments of "theirs." We were put here to be studied and to learn from. We are their outcasts.
Who built the pyraminds? Who built Stonehenge? Who could move rock back then?
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uaru
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posted on May 11, 2001 07:15:45 AM new
It wasn't so very long ago that things we take for granted today would have been thought impossible. Microwaves, computers, teflon, landing on the moon, lasers, etc.
None of those inventions or discoveries broke the laws of physics, nobody invented flubber except in the movies.
Do I believe in intelligent life on distant planets? The odds are so incredible I'd be foolish not to believe that it is probable.
I and a few others believe we will learn of intelligent life on other planets from our ears and not our eyes. The problem is we've only been listening for a millisecond in the grand scheme of time.
To point to the pyramids, or Stonehenge, or Mount Rushmore as an argument of alien visitations is to deny the incredible ingenuity , resourcefulness, and determination of man.
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Bunnicula
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posted on May 11, 2001 07:29:18 AM new
uaru: they don't break the laws of physics as we know them today. Scientific "laws" change as we learn more.
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uaru
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posted on May 11, 2001 07:56:34 AM new
they don't break the laws of physics as we know them today. Scientific "laws" change as we learn more.
I'm not familiar with the term 'scientific laws'. You have the advantage on me.
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moonmem-07
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posted on May 11, 2001 10:03:39 AM new
The show about St. Augustine was on the Discovery channel. It did indeed say that is was the most haunted city. I think it was named that the a chamber of commerce poll. They talked about a fort(which had been used as a jail), a rooming house which you can stay in the most haunted room if you like, and a light house.
"If man were to be crossed with a cat, it would greatly improve the man, but deteriorate the cat." Mark Twain
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jlpiece
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posted on May 11, 2001 10:30:59 AM new
There is no question in my mind that aliens have not only visited, but now live amongst us.
THEY CALL THEMSELVES LIBERALS.
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SNowYegReT
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posted on May 11, 2001 11:30:13 AM new
the universe is not only queerer than we suppose,
it is queerer than we can suppose
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Pocono
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posted on May 11, 2001 03:13:30 PM new
All's I know is this...
If I EVER have a close encounter, and they say "Take me to your leader",
I will NEVER let on that Georgie Shrub is that man!
Imagine if they ever found out that we allowed such a lower life-form run our humans...
Good Gawd, they would farm us like cantalope...
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Hepburn
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posted on May 11, 2001 03:20:19 PM new
Yeah, but I would be a TASTY cantalope.
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gravid
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posted on May 11, 2001 04:26:12 PM new
thedewey - If they are smarter that's OK - I just hope they are kinder.
When Godard was doing rocket experiments earlier in this last century the physics professors said the rockets would not work above the atmosphere because they had no air to "push" against. They had no real understanding of science that had been made plain by Newton.
I think there is a lot of room for discovery.
None of the work Einstein did in Special Relativity - which is what people cite as making transluminal motion forbidden - has been reconciled with Quantum Theory - He objected to it and said that God does not play dice. He had a strictly determainistic view. Yet we are using physical devices everyday now that depend on quantum effects to work. Who is to say that we will not make a ship that does not move from star to star at a set velocity but makes a quantum transition instantaneously?
Don't ask me about General Relativity because I have read his papers several times and my mind won't wrap around those ideas any more than he could accept quantum effects.
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SNowYegReT
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posted on May 11, 2001 04:51:57 PM new
gravid, but Einstein built on Planck's discovery of quanta to solve the photoelectric effect. I forget what year he won the Nobel for that.
Here's a little quantum mechanics page.
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gravid
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posted on May 11, 2001 07:58:45 PM new
He started working on that about 1905 but he was awarded the Nobel on it in 1922 for the previous year. That did describe light as quanta instead of waves but it was still something that could be described in mechanistic terms. He was still complaining in 1924 that they had two theories of light with no connection between them.
What was bothering him was not that these were in quantum but how these quantum acted. He was bothered by the abandonment of causality.
He was asking how does the electron know when to emit? And he remained opposed to the uncertainty principle clear up to about 1930 when he had a several day discussion with I think it was Bohr, who showed him a model that he could find no objection to and he relented. He was never satisfied with the solution, but never could propose an improvement. That he had such intuitive reservations makes me wonder what he would have come up with if he had been born 20 or 30 years later and had a little fresher mind to exaimine the problem after it had developed fully.
But I admit I don't understand the greater body of his work. Some of Maxwell's work even is beyond my mathamatics and I have to just accept explainations of it. Too soon old too late smart my Grandmother would say, and be right. Some of this stuff you don't look at when you are 50 and make sense of it.
edited to try to make my bad English bearable.
[ edited by gravid on May 11, 2001 08:00 PM ]
[ edited by gravid on May 11, 2001 08:12 PM ]
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mtnmama
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posted on May 11, 2001 08:25:45 PM new
Ack! No more for me. I had nightmares last night about aliens coming to get us!
St Augustine's lighthouse, the rooming house, the old fort (jail), the inns, almost all the houses on St. Augustine are said to be haunted. The cemeteries are haunted. There's one place that you can't cross the street because if you do, the lights go out. Gotta love it!
Okay off to bed for me to dream of ghosts instead of aliens. I'd rather face them I think.
Nite all!
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gravid
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posted on May 11, 2001 08:51:28 PM new
How about alien ghosts?
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 11, 2001 09:57:18 PM new
gravid - Have you heard of "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene? - Superstrings, Hidden Dimensions and the Quest for the Ultimate Theory.....(I haven't read but want for my B.D. )....apparently Greene thinks he might be able to tie together relativity and quantum physics. I'm dying to hear if anyone's read it yet!
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thedewey
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posted on May 11, 2001 10:17:15 PM new
I really enjoyed reading "The Universe, the Eleventh Dimension & Everything: What We Know and How We Know It", by Richard Morris.
I haven't read "The Elegant Universe", but I probably will -- I gobble these kinds of books up! Chomp! he he
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spazmodeus
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posted on May 11, 2001 10:22:05 PM new
Blah blah blah.
I'll take the collected works of Phineas J. Whoopie any day of the week.
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gravid
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posted on May 12, 2001 02:26:30 AM new
Have not read two books mentioned but thanks for naming them.
No more BEM and saucer stories?
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SnOwYegret
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posted on May 12, 2001 04:34:27 AM new
kraftdinner, I'll check that one out. I haven't studied string theory at all. I like the idea of the Theory of Everything.
spaz, sounds like bah, humbug to me.
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