kraftdinner
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:40:44 PM
I'm sure Bush is a great guy and all, but it seems to me like he's not doing the greatest jobso far, being President.
I'd like to think about some of the positive things he's done, and wondered if anyone could tell me what they are?
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jlpiece
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:55:52 PM
He lowered my taxes.
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jlpiece
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:56:22 PM
Yours too.
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jlpiece
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posted on June 6, 2001 10:59:49 PM
You've grown accustomed to them taking it out of your checks, so "out of sight, out of mind." So I ask;
How many liberals would there be if you had to write the check to Uncle Sam every week?
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Malady
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:02:30 PM
I like the education IRA increase...
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rawBUNZel
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:12:53 PM
JLP, I'll bite. There would be more liberals!
Why? Because taxes actually go higher under Republicans than they do under Democrats and if you had to write your check directly you would notice it.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:19:43 PM
jlp wrote - "He lowered my taxes."
The lower taxes probably don't even begin to pay for the increase in gas & electricity, wouldn't you say?
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jlpiece
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:27:35 PM
"taxes actually go higher under Republicans than they do under Democrats"-rawbunsell
Huh? OK, I'll bite... Who told you that??? Please back that up with some statistics, before I proceed to tear that unfounded claim apart.
"The lower taxes probably don't even begin to pay for the increase in gas & electricity, wouldn't you say?"-kraftdinner
Yes, they do begin to pay for the increases in energy prices, isn't that the point. Picture trying to pay the higher energy prices as Gore RAISES taxes. That's scary, but at least the fuzzy tailed North American rubblewart would be safe from the evil humans.
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Capriole
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:30:54 PM
here's something bush has done:
monkey
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Linda_K
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:31:08 PM
I like the tax rate cuts, and will enjoy the refunds although small at first.
I like what he presented in his educational program. Making the schools accountable, or giving the parents the opportunity to place their children where they can be taught properly.
I like his ideas on the faith based initatives. Since the figures show, they get more accomplished for less $$ I think it would/could help the social service costs tremendously.
I like the marriage penalty that will slowly be erased.
I like the estate tax being elimated...after a while.
I think he's making steps in the right direction. Going to be much harder now to get things passed with a democratic senate....but could still happen. I'm hopeful.
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antiquary
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:32:19 PM
Bush's performance in alienating the moderate base of the party is truly admirable. If he can maintain this brisk pacing of achievement throughtout the rest of his term, the Goldwater disaster will be forever erased from party history.
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rawBUNZel
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:36:42 PM
JLP, No one had to tell me that. I've been paying taxes for over thirty years and that is my own observation. I do believe some one here [was it mrpotatohead?] had a link to some site that had statistics that back it up.
Kraftdinner, YES! They don't begin to pay for those increases but it will cut out the middleman [the IRS]to get that money where it is most needed [Bushes Buddies in the Energy business] LOLOLOL
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Linda_K
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:37:30 PM
Thought of another thing.
I like the fact that he proposed a salary increase and money to provide better housing, for those in our military.
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jlpiece
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:39:17 PM
Send your refund this way then, since you don't need it.
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rawBUNZel
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:40:51 PM
Where would you like your $1.25 sent? 
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jlpiece
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:42:11 PM
How about you keep $1.25, and send me the rest of your refund? Sound fair, after all, you do like giving your money away to strangers, right?
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Linda_K
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:45:47 PM
I like the fact he doesn't want to take our guns away.
I like the fact he thinks the US should not be so dependent on other countries for our energy (gas and oil).
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jt-2007
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:46:16 PM
He set aside a National Day of Prayer which was May 3, 2001.
He took a pro-life stand and has attempted to save lives of the unborn overseas.
He has voiced support for homeschooling and has been co-operative in amendments to his education bill on their behalf, from what I understand.
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200105020.asp
He is making moves to protect medical privacy.
http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/hslda/200104121.asp
World Summit for Children
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200104240.asp
Though many have searched for scandals from his past, none have been found. I think this makes him much more of a role model than most others in the public eye...and beyond doubt MUCH better than Clinton.
He supports private ownership of firearms.
He supports missle defense.
He got Ashcroft in office.
In my opinion, the greatest thing he has done is to draw attention to the 50%ish who hold to traditional values. Made a mark that we are still out here loud and clear.
T
~extra m.
[ edited by jt on Jun 6, 2001 11:50 PM ]
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rawBUNZel
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posted on June 6, 2001 11:48:23 PM
Oh shoot. Are you upset? I really didn't mean to upset you with the offer of such a piddly little refund.
I would rather give it to strangers that need it than to rich people that don't.
Gotta go to bed now. Sorry I can't stay and play. 
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Linda_K
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posted on June 7, 2001 12:33:22 AM
Terri - I couldn't agree more.....the greatest thing he has done is to draw attention to the 50%ish who hold to traditional values. Made a mark that we are still out here loud and clear
Nite
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jt-2007
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posted on June 7, 2001 12:55:14 AM
Linda
T
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on June 7, 2001 10:53:07 AM
rawbunzel-
Here is what I posted before. Based on these figures, it's not increasing taxes but instead, growing the national debt that the Republicans appear to be pretty good at (although in the end, I'd have to think the result of the increased debt would have to be increased taxes, regardless of which party is in office to actually raise them).
Percentage of growth of the national debt by presidential term:
REAGAN (R) 23.6%
FORD (R) 14.1%
BUSH (R) 13.5%
CARTER (D) 10.4%
NIXON (R) 6.7%
CLINTON (D) 4.6%
JOHNSON (D) 3.2%
http://home.earthlink.net/~arison/debt.html
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jlpiece
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posted on June 7, 2001 11:02:05 AM
Thanks for correcting rawbunsell for us. We are all aware that Reagan jacked the National debt in order to crush the Soviet Union, something the other Presidents didn't have to deal with. Or have you all forgotten the very realistic fear of a nuclear war around the corner with the Super power Soviets. I haven't. But contrary to your logic, increasing the National Debt has nothing to do with raising taxes. A simplified reason for why that is, is because we don't pay the natinal debt except when we feel like it. Just look at how we've played the UN, with all the $$$ we owe them. The more complicated reason why the 2 are not related has to do with the complicated innerworkings of international finance, the secrets of which we'll never understand.
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on June 7, 2001 11:28:17 AM
The more complicated reason why the 2 are not related has to do with the complicated innerworkings of international finance, the secrets of which we'll never understand.
That makes it okay then for "conservatives" to spend money they don't have?
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jt-2007
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posted on June 7, 2001 11:35:09 AM
It's called "credit" and it's better than liberals just stealing the stuff don't you think?
(No wonder Clinton is way down there on the list...why spend taxpayers money when you can steal the stuff you want?)
T
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figmente
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posted on June 7, 2001 11:41:53 AM
"jacked the National debt in order to crush the Soviet Union"
What a ridiculous revision of history.
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mark090
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posted on June 7, 2001 11:46:35 AM
Regan crushed the Soviet Union????!???? What a piece of Republican propaganda for the mindless fools and Rush dittoheads who believed it. The Soviet Union was already ready to topple, HARD. They were begging for food, their economy was a disaster. All without the help of of the MIGHTY REAGAN!! It just happened during his watch, nothing more. ANY President in office at that time would have had the exact same affect. All Reagan did was write 4 TRILLION DOLLARS in bad checks and gave his bestest buddies in the S & L's a free ride in the Government feed trough.
As for reducing the nuclear threat....rather than one semi-rational opponent aiming their nukes at us, we now have many completely insane countries with nukes to sell or launch them just to see them go boom. This is better????
[ edited by mark090 on Jun 7, 2001 11:51 AM ]
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on June 7, 2001 11:48:20 AM
It's called "credit" and it's better than liberals just stealing the stuff don't you think
I'm sorry- I don't follow you here. Would you mind explaining? It sounds like you're saying that conservatives borrow money, which is repaid (someday), while liberals steal money, and never repay it, but that can't be what you mean, can it?
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on June 7, 2001 12:06:45 PM
But contrary to your logic, increasing the National Debt has nothing to do with raising taxes.
Last I heard, spending for interest on the national debt was about 20% of the budget. If that debt disappeared overnight, everyone's taxes could be cut 20% without disturbing one single spending program (worthy or not).
Assuming that the folks holding the IOU's are paid (and I'd bet they expect to be), an increase of the debt is going to require an increase in taxes someday.
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jt-2007
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posted on June 7, 2001 12:24:12 PM
Despite that the democrats have some good economic ideas, giving some credit there, they are so far off base on moral issues that I can't support them. It's about a lot more than money to me.
T
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