rarriffle
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posted on January 31, 2002 04:43:27 PM new
I just have to ask if you emailed the seller about the problem first? If not, why not?
we all complain that we are never given a chance to resolve a problem before the buyer negs us.
even though this seller misrepresented the item, you should have at least given them the chance to make it right.
JMHO
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mballai
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posted on January 31, 2002 04:59:13 PM new
A seller who does not properly represent their merchandise with obvious characteristics (I'm presuming this is not a new seller), really is bad news and deserves the negs. If you want to be nice, you can leave a carefully worded neutral after getting a refund with both ways of shipping reimbursed as well. I hate to take the bidders side on this, but misrepresenting something is the worst thing an online seller can do because a buyer can only trust what is shown to them as being truthful before making a purchase.
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 05:08:30 PM new
>>even though this seller misrepresented the item, you should have at least given them the chance to make it right.<<
Let them seem as though they are an above board legitimate seller by working it out on the side? I don't think so. I don't need the 15-20 or so bucks THAT badly.
I've had buyers send me things back because of a "fleabite." No problem.
This is very different theater. And it is despicable.
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 05:19:09 PM new
I just want to thank you very much for the undeserving feedback, I never saw any labels allover the picture and bowl. in fact I washed them and I would think a label would have fallen off. Either way, My mother had that pitcher and bowl for about 30 years, so it is old. as for the Kennedy's ashtray that is also very old, It happens to be black amethyst. If you had any questions about these you could have asked before you bought them. If you would have emailed me I would have gladly given you a refund. I will still give you a refund. Just send them back and you can have your money back. Those are worth more to me than you paid.
I see you are also a seller,,, How would you like to get negative feedbacks with out the buyer even trying to contact you first to try and resolve the misunderstanding...I also state in the about me pages that I will give refunds if you feel I didnt describe something very good. My husband died last year and I am left with raising 2 boys alone, I dont need this and I would have given you a refund.
Again, Thank you very much.
Dear Seller,
Yeah well I'm a single adoptive mother who works full time and digs bodies out of the former WTC. Everybody has issues baby.
Are you blind also?
Take your negs on the chin and send me my money back.
(help me guys, I'm in a BAD mood.)
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masujoviga
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posted on January 31, 2002 05:42:03 PM new
would this be anywhere close to PMS?
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 05:46:43 PM new
p.s. I never heard the term "slag glass" until I ran into this auction. I don't think you are as naiive as you'd like the world to think!
Meet you in aparking lot anytime. And my kid would take on both of yours too.
This is NY F****** City.<s>
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mballai
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posted on January 31, 2002 06:07:34 PM new
nycyn
Hey I spent 14 yrs in glorious NYC. And I like your 'tude, but you can leave the battle to our Special Forces. It's an auction and you already drew blood. If you get your bucks, it's time to chill out.
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ahc3
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posted on January 31, 2002 06:11:17 PM new
Giving a negative without even trying to work out the problem seems wrong to me. There can be explanations as to why the items are not as described, I think it is more important to see if the seller stands behind what they sell - I've had items that I've sold and there were errors in the description - They do happen. At worst, if they stand behind their item, a neutral would be warranted...
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kiara
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posted on January 31, 2002 06:21:35 PM new
I also agree that it is wrong to leave negatives before trying to work out the problem. In this case I would like to see what the auction descriptions actually said. It is wrong to misrepresent things but mistakes are made at times.
As a seller if someone negged me first and didn't attempt to work things out and then came back with an attitude and asked for a refund I would block further e-mails and put them on my block bidder list and just move on. The last thing I would do is send them money back.
Do you really dig bodies out of the former WTC? If so, maybe you are under too much stress to ebay. If not, that was a low thing to say.
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 06:35:45 PM new
FWIW... If somebody with feedback or 900+ (if I recall correctly) happens to not notice the other two words on an "Kennedys" ashtray, as it is described in the description, are "Office Supplies" I have reason to be highly suspiscious. And I have nothing else to say on the matter.
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 06:44:54 PM new
except, thanks mballai.
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kiara
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posted on January 31, 2002 06:47:55 PM new
Oh yeah, the customer is always right. 
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 07:01:38 PM new
She's a saint, and I'm ragging it.
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[ edited by nycyn on Jan 31, 2002 08:08 PM ]
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Valleygirl
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posted on January 31, 2002 07:39:03 PM new
Where are the words "office supplies"?
Not my name on ebay.
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 07:46:15 PM new
>>Where are the words "office supplies"?<<
There are three sections in-between the dents that hold cigs. All equally sized & represented but conveniently faded out of the pic. Kennedys--dent--office--dent--supplies. Be happy to take a real photo to prove my point if it helps.
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mikeylou
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posted on January 31, 2002 07:47:26 PM new
Ok, so where are the words on the pieces 'cause they definately don't show in the pictures.
You gonna show us pictures of what you got, too?
-M.
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Time is an illusion perpetrated by the manufacturers of space.
http://www.bluedragyn.net
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tomwiii
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posted on January 31, 2002 07:50:48 PM new
a big fat BRONX CHEER to ya! 
I'd refund you a big fat ZERO!
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 07:51:20 PM new
That these words are not in the pictures is precisely my point. Do you guys think I have nothing else to do but terrorize other sellers? (Only when they are disreputable and screw it up for the rest of us.) I could take real pics, but to what end?
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mikeylou
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posted on January 31, 2002 07:55:52 PM new
Oh, I just want to see how much they had to alter or manipulate the pictures in order not to show the words. It's not that I don't believe you, 'cause I do, I'm just insanely curious....
-M. 
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Time is an illusion perpetrated by the manufacturers of space.
http://www.bluedragyn.net
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 07:56:03 PM new
>>tomwiii<<
My Gawd you are an insightful genius! Ooh you are on to me! I'm terrified. I'm outa here to save myself from disgrace!
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 08:01:09 PM new
mikeylou--
Dunno--put the best part forward, angle the camera just so; would have never occurred to me. But this is the kind of thing that would make a wary buyer, I'll tell you that.
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mjdarby
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posted on January 31, 2002 08:07:12 PM new
Impartial observer here.. nyccn, you are probably correct in wanting a refund for improperly described auction but you are going about it in a horribly rude way.
Why not an email or call to the seller FIRST.
Then, if that is unsatisfactory, you could have placed negative feedback. All transactions do not go exactly how the buyer nor the seller might have expected.
That is understandable. What is not understandable is the lack of communication that you have displayed. You certainly do not represent NYC very well. If you can not take the potential ups and downs of shopping on eBay, perhaps there is a Wal-Mart nearby that you could spend your money at. At least there, you would know what you got every time. Get Over It.
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 08:15:15 PM new
Most of you are right. I am a poor sport and rude. That being said, I HIGHLY recommend this seller dellanddogs or delandogs. In fact, confessedly, I was trying to detract the competition from her ridiculously low prices so that I could buy them and resell them later at much higher prices.
You caught me. What was I thinking in this sophisticated theater?!!!
Apologies again, and thank you for getting me honest!
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mballai
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posted on January 31, 2002 08:19:49 PM new
Just sose you know--I did exactly what nycyn did just a few days ago on a non-eBay site. The item was described as good when a mere couple of seconds of examination by a bat would have proven otherwise.
They negged me in return but refunded my money. They too thought I should have contacted them first for a refund.
I didn't order a refund, I ordered the item described. It wasn't and not only was I disappointed but so was the person I ordered it for. So I got negged when they lied about the condition. Is that right?
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 08:20:07 PM new
mjdarby--
I don't?
Well, YOU, I'd like to meet at the pile sometime. Just let me know.
"Forgive them Lord because they know not..."
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barparts
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posted on January 31, 2002 08:22:20 PM new
I must agree with ahc3, You should have given the seller a chance to refund your money. As a seller myself, I find it very unfair that the seller wasn't given a chance to make things right. It was even stated in her e-mail to you after you left the neg that you didn't give her a chance. Now, the item may have been misrepresented, or simple just missed, I don't dispute any claim, but good sellers don't deserve negatives if they are willing to take back items that may have been not up to the billing. In my mind either a neutral or none at all. Reality is sometimes there will be a return to sellers. If that goes without a hitch, the seller should get a good feedback stating that they took the item back with no questions asked. If not, then the negs should happen. You were obviously not happy with the purchase and I can understand your anger, but as a seller, I would hate to not have the chance to make things right.
JMHO
bp
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nycyn
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posted on January 31, 2002 08:29:35 PM new
as a seller, which is my primary role on eBay, i make a real efort to never to have to be in a position "to make things right". this chick has 900+ feedback and doesn't notice 1" glued on labels?
hello!
talking to myself again.
g'nite.
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ijusthaveit
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posted on January 31, 2002 08:39:48 PM new
If somthing is to good to be True (ie..Cheap)
it's proberly fake or not what it is cracked up to be.You should have asked,or were you thinking greed will lead and I'll get two vintage item for cheap?Hmmmmmmm! got burned by the burner,imagin that.
[ edited by ijusthaveit on Jan 31, 2002 08:43 PM ]
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captian23
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posted on January 31, 2002 08:42:44 PM new
Soooo Angry. You should have emailed before negging (is that a word?)
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REAMOND
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posted on January 31, 2002 08:46:31 PM new
Sellers who intentionally misrepresent items are fishing for unweary or timid buyers.
Sure they will refund, and then put the item(s) right back on the market in the same manner as before, hoping the next buyer will not notice or let it go.
Neg FB helps prevent these items from being misrepresented again.
Regarding the sob story of being a widow with minor children. eBay must be filled with a desperate underclass. Every late pay or deal gone bad I have experienced on eBay was accompanied by a sob story, everything from the husband leaving for a younger woman, not paying support and having 5 children to the family pet being hit by a car.
Imagine if Best Buy or WalMart told you that the CEO's husband just left her for a younger woman and wouldn't pay support, and they have 5 kids, so that is why the product they sold you wasn't inspected properly before they sold it to you.
How about a waitress serving your food cold because the cook's dog was hit by a car.
These sob stories are irrelevant to a professional business transaction.
As the old business saying goes- " Your customers could care less about the storms you faced at sea, but did you bring the ship in ?"
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