posted on February 10, 2002 09:17:11 PM new
Wait a minute, wait a minute, nycyn has as much right to be here as any one & also has a right to an opinion whether anyone agrees or not.
I know it turned into a brawl about a seller misrepresenting some items & she certainly did. Come on, Avon is Avon & that should have been mentioned as well as what was written on that Kennedy ashtray. So nycyn was mad, I would be too. The seller was not a newby & knew better. Very devious business practice. Just because she offered a refund doesn't make what was done completely right, there are still bad feelings on nycyn's side & she expressed them here.
Each of us might have handled it differently, but nycyn did it her way & came here to talk about it. That's what this place is for.
I'm glad she is here as much as I'm glad anyone is here. We are all different & there is room for everyone.
posted on February 10, 2002 09:22:01 PM new
Hope you have learned a valuable lesson. I know I sure have.
bp
[ edited by barparts on Feb 10, 2002 09:25 PM ]
posted on February 11, 2002 05:15:27 AM new
I have to agree with MCJANE......Everyone should be welcome to post here.....granted, that the threads went over the edge on this one....and many did not agree with how things were handled......But as a seller I have to agree that the obvious should ALWAYS be included in the description and those things that were neglected to be added to the sellers description were obvious......and granted the buyer, NYCYN did not handle it either as it should have been handled.....ie......contacting the seller first before posting a negative and accepting the refund offered......But the fact is, it is over and everyone should just learn from it and go on......time to stop beating a dead horse.
Let not turn this message board into high school "click".......Everyone is welcome to post their thoughts and NOT be ignored....
Lets not change the one thing that I think makes this board stand out above the others.....everyone here has always been more than ready to help others and NOT ignore anyone.....
So NYCYN you should stay as well as the seller (sorry don't have your name in front of me)......as this board does not belong to anyone of us......it belongs to us all!
posted on February 11, 2002 05:47:53 AM new
Let all be heard...after all this is a "forum"...my message was if NYCYN chose to leave, she should be careful going out the door... And here I thought I was a caring individual!
posted on February 11, 2002 07:15:22 AM new
I have posted questions a few times on this forum and have gotten great help. I've learned a lot from reading the posts of others as well. However, since the door is open on the subject, I have to say that there are times when I'd like to post and shy away from it because the chance of being "jumped" on isn't worth it. (I'm holding my breath posting this one) I too get the feeling sometimes of the "click" thing. It just shouldn't be that way. It's a forum open to all regardless of opinion, intelligence, typing ability, spelling ability, etc... so long as the community guidelines are followed. Oh yes, I do remember that they call this "community"...there's not a community anywhere that doesn't have variety of opinions which we either agree with, are annoyed with or disagree with. Thanks for allowing me to give mine.
posted on February 11, 2002 07:54:26 AM new
I'm sure you noticed I tend to shy away from most arguements, too.
The seller of the ashtray and the pitcher was obviously misrepresenting her items. Sure, NYCYN did not handle it as cool headedly as possible BUT I think the original intent of the seller was to make both items seem like something they are not. One look at the ashtray photo will tell you that. Also, Avon is Avon ... and it should be listed as such.
So many attacked NYCYN .... how would you have felt if you bought those items? Would you have been happy? I wouldn't have.
Unfortunately it got out of hand. Then, when she said she was working at the WTC instead of a thank you she once again got attacked.
Close your eyes for a minute and imagine what it must be like at ground zero. Then take that times ten. Perhaps that is why she got so angry so quick?
I never posted this before so I will do it now ...
Thank you, NYCYN, for having the compassion to do what you are doing at Ground Zero. I cannot begin to imagine the toll on your emotions it must have.
Sure, some got mad because she was making money off of the WTC. So are many, many others. OK, so she chose to sell her story. Does that make her any different than those who are selling tee shirts? Flag pins?
I know many of you put NYCYN on their blocked bidders list. What about the seller? How does she make the rest of us look? How would other buyers feel if they bought something that was misrepresented? Would it make them not want to bid again?
Both parties in this situation were wrong ... BUT what would have happened here if the ashtray really was a Kennedy item and the pitcher set was correctly listed? It would have been a good transaction with both leaving positive feedback.
If we want to get mad and attack someone how about the people who are taking the metal and making it into jewelry? For God's sake, people were CRUSHED when that steel fell. Anyone wearing that jewelry is actually wearing the minute particles of God knows how many people!
Time to put away my soapbox now. I am not kissing up to anyone here ... I never feel the need to.
BECKY
[ edited by mrssantaclaus on Feb 11, 2002 07:58 AM ]
posted on February 11, 2002 08:42:38 AM new
I didn't post in the original thread because I could see where it was going (downhill fasssst).
The original comment IMO was not really out of line. I took it to mean that nycynhad decided that if a seller misrepresented an item intentionally and her opinion was this experienced seller intentionally left out very important facts, then she would leave NEG FB and I personally find no fault with that.
Whether or not this was an intentional thing done by this seller in hopes the items would sell and the buyers NOT ask for refunds, can't be "proved". She says it wasn't and I will take her word on that.
I personally think that the ashtray should have been advertised as what it was a promotional item that said "Kennedys Office Supply" and the "slag glass" ad should have mentioned it was marked Avon.
OK, that said, nycyn apparently thought so too (as most buyers would) and my take on her original post was she decided to leave NEGS because she did not believe this was an oversite and because of that this seller did not deserve any mercy.
Now, granted the seller was willing to refund, but was that enough to prevent NEGS?
I had a B&M for many years. A manufacturer of a very well know line of fishing rods/reels came out with a remake of one of their very popular reels that had been discontinued years before. They promoted this item heavily in ad campaigns before it was actually put on the market and took preorders. I received 6 dozen and had 5 sold within the first hour of their arrival!
Within a few days I had received almost 2/3 of the ones sold back, because they were faulty. I contacted the factory rep and was told that the company was aware there was a problem with the item and would be recalling them, but until that happened they wanted me to try and sell as many as I could and promised to refund me on any that came back because not everyone would bring them back! Say WHAT????? I was very upset. I could not believe this company wanted me to sell an item they knew was garbage because they hoped some would stay sold! Not an honest thing to do and I decided I didn't need to carry any of this manufactures items and would tell everyone ( who asked why I didn't) the reason.
There unfortunately are sellers (not saying the one involved in this is such a seller) who will leave out information hoping the item will sell and the buyer won't complain. If you think that is not true, then you may be in for an upleasant experience yourself someday. If it happens to you and you decide it was not unintentionally you may even consider leaving a NEG yourself even if they offer a refund should you complain!
posted on February 11, 2002 09:37:54 AM new
Actually you do fit in quite well. Anyone who transacts biz is welcome. There are people who do not understand that a difference of opinion or experience is what makes the world go round and cannot fathom why someone doesn't agree with them. That's their problem. Don't let anyone make it yours.
posted on February 11, 2002 11:21:52 AM new
My opinion doesn't really matter but I am giving it anyway.
The threads concerning her problem got way out of hand - mostly because of the name calling and I mean the NASTY stuff! Inserting an incorrect letter in a word doesn't change what she is saying and calling someone. I'm not a saint but that gets OLD fast.
Before all that got going nycyn gave and still does give good advice. Lord knows I need all I can get.
I appreciate all the help I have gotten on this board. There are still too many unknown problems that will surely crop up for me to not read EVERYTHING on the board. Even on the ranting ones there was some useful info in there.
My vote is for her to stay and share her ideas and knowledge with everyone that needs it. It IS nice though when it is given without all the ugly stuff along with it.
Ok that's it for me. Thanks to all for the help I have gotten and will get in the future.
posted on February 11, 2002 11:29:22 AM new
Well she finally got what she wanted. She whined and ranted and now is wimpering. Even from people that disagreed with her before are now feeling sorry for her. Well I do not feel sorry for the "volunteer". Anyone who acts like she has on here does not deserve to be felt sorry for. Besides anyone, and I repeat ANYONE, who sells world trade center items, inluding her so called "volunteer Interview" for profit, will not get my symphathy.
She had a chance for a refund and refused and had false contact information besides. So who is the real con in this situation. NYNYC is.
Anyone who sells "volunteer interview" reference the world trade center for her personal profit, regardless of the reason, is the person who has no scruples at all.
Isn't she the pot calling the kettle black here!!!!!!
Now she will post how nice it si for you people to want her to stay. How cozy and fuzzy she will feel.
The fame and glory seeker will finally have it her way.
God what a soap opera.
It's a crime what she has done to this board. Hurry, call Andy and Barney!!!!!!
posted on February 11, 2002 12:16:54 PM new
The fact that the thread got out of hand was not good. I will agree with that.
I am also not giving anyone a pity party. I just finally decided that this thread might be a good one for my two cents. I DO NOT participate in fighting threads.
What I am doing is ignoring all of the rest of the threads and just going back to the beginning. Before the name calling. Before it got ugly.
My point is if she wants to make money off of the NYC tragedy at least she is there helping .... not just making money and running. Let's face it, everyone from the guy on the NYC street corner to WalMart is making money off of this tragedy. If she makes some money, so be it.
I enjoy these boards. I learned more here than anywhere else on the net. It is a wonderful place.
NYCYN and the seller both should stay. Post away. Anyone who doesn't want to read what they have to say can simply ignore the posts, or for that matter entire threads. There certainly are plenty of threads I stay out of!
posted on February 11, 2002 12:44:23 PM new
I agree that these boards are for everyone but everytime she opens a thread it is looking for pity or patting herself on the back.
I do thank those that volunteer at ground zero but I am not at all convinced this person does! she keeps talking about the cough that will be and the diseases she will have.
she is too busy feeling sorry for herself to volunteer to help somebody else.
of course she probably does need sympathy for the cast she has to wear, from patting herself on the back so hard!!!!
posted on February 11, 2002 01:01:52 PM new
I'm sorry I didn't join in the original thread & back nycyn up. I felt she was right from the start. Just because the seller offered to take the items back does not make it right that they were misrepresented.
Nycyn's negative feedback was a warning to buyers that you might not get what you paid forfrom this seller, a very good thing to know.
Wouldn't you as a buyer like to know this, I would.
Because of a technicality they were removed, too bad for future buyers.
I was surprised when the seller, who was in the wrong, came here & all but one sided with her. Is she what you really want on eBay or would you rather have someone who speaks up via feedback & lets you know your taking a chance buying from this seller.
Just a refund doesn't cut it, negative feedback was deserved, the misrepresentation was deliberate, both were in order.
I too do not join in thread fights, but I'm glad I spoke up here & pleased to see how many others did.
nycyn You have been on AW for a long time. There is no reason whatsoever for you to leave now, see how many want you to stay.
posted on February 11, 2002 01:18:51 PM new
You should click on this as your reading this thread.........makes you feel cozy and fuzzy alllllllllllll over.
posted on February 11, 2002 01:23:53 PM new
The seller was sloppy on their listing, but do you really think their intent was fraud for an $8 item? I don't think so. I think leaving negative feedback BEFORE trying to work this out is wrong. At most, a factual neutral would be more appropriate.
I can see why nycyn would want to leave. While I don't agree with her actions, I don't think it needs to get to the insulting level I have seen here.
posted on February 11, 2002 01:26:28 PM new
I agree that dellandogs misrepresented the items. That was no excuse for ranting, foul language and threats that nycyn started throwing around.
she was all puff and glory until the seller showed up then she quickly became a raving lunatic.
my remarks have nothing to do with that transaction, they have to do with all of the self serving threads and remarks that nycyn throws.
posted on February 11, 2002 01:49:48 PM newrarriffle
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I can't find the original thread.
As I remember it after nycyn's first post the next several posts were stop whining, etc. Not what she expected.
Then the seller showed up & all but one defended her. I would be mad too & we all fight back in our own way. The seller stayed "sweet" & made nycyn look like the bad guy. It was the other way around.
posted on February 11, 2002 02:37:14 PM new
I was involved in the original (now nuked) thread and I made it known that I didn't agree with the way the seller listed the auction. I also didn't agree that the buyer should have given her negatives. Later that evening when the buyer started a couple more threads within minutes of each other I did tell her to go to bed. I did not respond again until over one week later when the thread was still on top and I suggested they take it to e-mail as it was not ebay related.
Do I believe anyone should be allowed to post here? Up to a point. When they conduct themselves and use language like this buyer did, (the F word is still the F word no matter how you spell it) then I think they should head out the door until they cool off. The “victim” thread had truly run its course after more than one week. Was she fired up by other posters? You bet!
Just for the record I don’t believe the seller conducted herself in the best way here either.
[ edited by kiara on Feb 11, 2002 02:43 PM ]
"But there are some very vicious people here. And they'll be back in two seconds to ridicule me again, but I won't be back to read".
If your not back to read the postings here, it's only because you started another thread, what, will the next one be, your 5th or 6th thread on the same subject?
Look , you got what you wanted, people feeling sorry for little old you. Now why don't you just drop it.
I said you would be back to tell people thank you for making you feel cozy, fuzzy and wanted.
You, lady, are now famous on here. You got your 15 minutes here, so go on and find another venue to boast about your "volunteeerism".
And as far as you being ridiculed, you called me every four letter word you could.
Did I say I felt ridiculed when you did this?
No, because I am a grown-up.
Whether dellandogs deserved a neg, maybe, maybe not, but you had many avenues to follow other than ranting and raving and whimpering for over 10 days now, on here.
My children acted just like you growing up,
but they got over it, why don't you.
See if you have any self control within you, and try to use it, so you don't start another thread on this subject.
[ edited by cheesemanike on Feb 11, 2002 03:16 PM ]
To the knee-jerk, easily offended crowd, CHANGE THE CHANNEL<
Yeah, A-hole, as you can see they are bidding like mad. If you really have principles over personalities why don't you go after the guy who is making 200 bucks an hour on a crane, coming down to be fed or massaged by people like me, then comes here and sells dupe prints AT A minimum of $35.00.
bECAUSE, Cheesecake, you don't have the focckin balls.
WHy don't you marry DoggieGirl, you both get some, and live happily ever after, far, far. far, away from, you know, THIS.
This is off one of her posts...
I re-posted so you can see the high moral ground this woman really walks on.
Stick up for a person like this, I don't think so. NEVER!
posted on February 11, 2002 05:27:07 PM new
I am posting my opinions only on the original transaction. I chose to bow out of the thread long before the major ugliness started.
I, too, have helped out during a major disaster. This was long ago, and I was much younger. Still in high school, actually. It changes your perception of things. I am speaking of the Johnstown Flood of 1977. The sights and smells will be with me forever. I shudder when I remember the feeling of walking in water feeling like I was stepping on arms and legs ... only to have officials pull 8 bodies out of that same water the next day.
I am not looking for a pat on the back ... I am not looking for any recognition. I am only stating this as a fact to say I can see from that point where she is coming from.
Several of my friends have put together a comic book and are making money. Nothing is being said to them, and they never helped out.
I think what happened here is NYCYN was backed into a corner and she came out with her claws ready to attack. I'm not so sure I wouldn't be the same way.
What I see here is alot of people who stay out of controversy coming to her defense. I still think she should continue posting. However, I think she needs time to cool down ... and to refrain from swearing in this forum.
There is a time and a place for everything and this is neither the time nor the place. The really sad thing is if there were moderators this never would have gotten so out of hand. It would have stopped long before the words started flying.
A non-moderated board is only as good as those who post within it. This is our playroom. We can choose to keep it clean ... or try to play in the mess we make. Personally, I would love to see the place clean.
That said, I hope we can all just keep this board together so we can continue to learn from and help each other. There are certainly not too many places on the internet where you can post a question and have the answer within minutes.
To ALL of the posters here ... thank you for all the help you have given me here ... and especially for being there for me during my darkest hours. When my father was dying I would literally cry my heart out then come here to read the posts for support, and the kind words that were posted here got me thru it ... you were all the crutch that I needed to keep me from falling.
I am proud to be a part of AuctionWatch and will always be grateful to those here. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
